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More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 02 Jun 2019, 19:58

After alerting the world in September 1988 that the Maldive islands of the Indian Ocean would be submerged by rising seas in less than three decades – due to the so-called first effects of man-made global warming – officials of the United Nations and associated climatologists are scratching their heads that the island chain is still there.

A report derived from government officials’ predictions shocked the world 30 years ago, warning that the tropical paradise archipelago would soon suffer the same fate as the lost city of Atlantis.

“A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years,” the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported in September 1988.

Scare tactics or numbers gone wrong?

Serving alongside the UN at the time, Environmental Affairs Director Hussein Shihab gave precise “calculations” about the extent to which the Maldives would become submerged.

“An estimated rise of 20 to 30 centimeters in the next 20 to 40 years could be ‘catastrophic’ for most of the islands, which were no more than a meter above sea level,” Shihab told AFP at the time.

The alarmism did not stop there, as many islanders were led to believe by affiliated of the global peacekeepers that they had just several years to evacuate the island before it became inhabitable.

“The article went on to suggest the Maldives – along with its 200,000 inhabitants – could ‘end’ sooner than expected if drinking water supplies dry up by 1992 ‘as predicted,’” The Daily Caller News Foundation (DCNF) reported. “Today, more than 417,000 people live in the Maldives.”

Power the Future Executive Director Daniel Turner mocked the alarmists at the UN and their affiliated climatologists.

“Call Noah and have him build another Ark,” the leader of the pro-energy group mused while speaking with DCNF. “Bring out the Coast Guard. Send all the boogie boards and floaties you can find – for the Maldives is going down!”

‘Poster’ islands for global warming

For decades, the UN has claimed that the Maldives would be the first to go under the sea once the “catastrophic” effects of climate change induced by human pollutants began.

“The Maldives are among the island nations often held up by United Nations officials as being on the ‘front-lines’ of man-made global warming,” DCNF Energy Editor Michael Bastasch noted.

In fact, Republic of Maldives President Mohamed Nasheed addressed other world leaders at the UN General Assembly Summit on Climate Change in August 2009 to alarm attendees that entire populations across the world will drown as glaciers melt – and increase the ocean depth by just 4.5 feet – because of manmade airborne pollution.

"You know that with a sea-level rise of over 1.5 meters, hundreds of millions of people would be dead,” Nasheed told the UN Chronicle days after speaking at the summit. “They would simply be wiped out."

Behind the dire warnings of the Green agenda is reportedly the green glow of money, but the alarmism was not enough to quickly secure the exorbitant funds ultra-environmentalists were trying to pander from climate-change believing nations across the globe.

“The island nation was among the first to apply for Green Climate Fund aid, but the funding hasn’t been flowing, according to The New York Times,” Bastach explained.

Just last year, Maldives Energy and Environment Minister Thoriq Ibrahim made it clear that he wanted immediate access to funds … before it was too late.

“That’s too long to wait,” Ibrahim insisted to The New York Times in November. “There’s no use having a fund somewhere if you can’t access it quickly.”

However, 30 years of panic did not usher in the consuming seas or the desired funding for the UN, as the Maldives are still perched right above sea level, with its beautiful sandy beaches still beckoning tourists to lay down their towels and unfold their beach chairs – not to head for high ground … if there were any.

“The Maldives are indeed low-lying islands with its highest point only reaching about eight feet above sea level,” Bastach informed. “But obviously, decades-old warnings [that] the Maldives were on the verge of being swallowed by the seas didn’t pan out.”

Getting bigger, not smaller?

Despite what many climatologists report concerning rising sea levels, research conducted by New Zealand scientists on Tavalu’s nine atolls and 101 reef islands between 1971 and 2014 indicates that the Maldives and other coral islands in the region are actually getting larger – not shrinking and sinking.

“The Pacific nation of Tuvalu – long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels – is actually growing in size, new research shows,” a report on a University of Auckland study revealed in February. “It found eight of the atolls and almost three-quarters of the islands grew during the study period, lifting Tuvalu's total land area by 2.9 percent – even though sea levels in the country rose at twice the global average.”

In fact, Paul Kench – co-author of the research – argued against climate change alarmists’ assertion that low-lying island nations will soon succumb to rising seas and be completely submerged.

"We tend to think of Pacific atolls as static landforms that will simply be inundated as sea levels rise, but there is growing evidence these islands are geologically dynamic and are constantly changing," Kench contended the scientific report on the study. "The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion – not erosion."

This argument for island expansion – as opposed to island shrinking that global warming climatologists often claim – is corroborated by other research, as well.

“The results [of the Kiwi study] echoed a 2015 study by the same lead author that also found coral island expansion,” Bastach noted. “Study lead author and scientist Paul Kench told The New Scientist ‘that the Maldives seem to be showing a similar effect.’”

More warnings of old not coming to fruition

Several months before the UN’s September 1988 alarmism attempting to scare inhabitants off the Maldives with visions of overwhelming ocean waters, The New York Times was already busy putting illusions of catastrophic rising seas and temperatures in the minds of Americans through ominous predictions.

“[If] the current pace of the buildup of these gases continues, the effect is likely to be a warming of 3 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit [between now and] the year 2025 to 2050,” the Times’ Philip Shabecoff warned in a June 1988 article, according to WND. “[This should produce a rise in seal levels of] one to four feet by the middle of the next century.”

WND noted that Shabecoff was using predictions of Hansen and Michael Oppenheimer to come up his anticipated figures.

Such cataclysmic forecasts by past and present climate change activists have been derided as the foreboding climatic events never actually take place – or even appear to be taking shape, for that matter.

“In August, Rob Bradley, Jr., the CEO and founder of the Institute for Energy Research, described Shabecoff’s claim as the ‘opening salvo’ of global-warming activism, and also pointed to the failure of claims made by NASA climate scientist James Hansen and Al Gore,” WND’s Art Moore recounted. “Bradley – who has testified before the U.S. Congress as one of the nation’s leading experts on the history and regulation of energy markets – argued that the mid-point of Shabecoff’s predicted warming would be six degrees.”

He called out the global warming alarmists for grossly overestimating rising temperatures and sea levels.

“At the 30-year mark, how is it looking?” Bradley asked on his website, WattsUpWithThat.com. “The increase is about one degree – and largely holding (the much-discussed ‘pause’ or ‘warming hiatus’).”

It was also stressed that a very modest global warming trend has been in effect for thousands of years.

“[The world has naturally warmed since the end of the Little Ice Age, which is] a good thing – if climate economists are to be believed,” Bradley added. “[Concerning rising sea levels,] the exaggeration appears greater. Both before and after the 1980s, decadal sea-level rise has been a few inches – and it has not been appreciably accelerating.”

The energy expert asserts that the extremist alarmism disseminated by climate change scientists and the activists behind them will fade away into the myths of yesteryear.

“[The alarmist temperature and sea-level predictions] constitute yet another exaggerated Malthusian scare – joining those of the population bomb (Paul Ehrlich), resource exhaustion (Club of Rome), Peak Oil (M. King Hubbert), and global cooling (John Holdren),” Bradley concluded.



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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 03 Jun 2019, 08:30

If the sea is raising, which the article says it is and the island is getting bigger, than the island is raising out of the sea.... what has that got to do with scientists 30 years ago saying the ocean would raise being wrong.... the ocean has raised so they where right. They just didn't know the island was raising faster than the ocean raising.... :purple
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 03 Jun 2019, 11:28

DonDeeHippy wrote:If the sea is raising, which the article says it is and the island is getting bigger, than the island is raising out of the sea.... what has that got to do with scientists 30 years ago saying the ocean would raise being wrong.... the ocean has raised so they where right. They just didn't know the island was raising faster than the ocean raising.... :purple


............. “A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to
completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years
,” the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported in September 1988.
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I'ld think scientists would get this right.

It is their job to know.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jun 2019, 07:47

Sprintcyclist wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:If the sea is raising, which the article says it is and the island is getting bigger, than the island is raising out of the sea.... what has that got to do with scientists 30 years ago saying the ocean would raise being wrong.... the ocean has raised so they where right. They just didn't know the island was raising faster than the ocean raising.... :purple


............. “A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to
completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years
,” the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported in September 1988.
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I'ld think scientists would get this right.

It is their job to know.

SO do you have evidence that they lied... I mean they knew that the island wouldn't sink and said they would anyway, or just that their predictions where wrong ?
So should the title be Scientist 30 years ago where wrong
or scientists 30 years ago lied.....
How do you know these scientist where left wing ?
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Texan » 04 Jun 2019, 07:55

What islands have disappeared since 1988? Are all continents raising at the same rate as the sea? Something doesn't smell right.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jun 2019, 08:35

this is more monks territory than mine....
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Jun 2019, 10:36

So what is the actual sea level rise to date?

Some islands grew by storms throwing up coral debris etc.

I would not like to live on a lowlying island.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 04 Jun 2019, 16:59

Texan wrote:What islands have disappeared since 1988? Are all continents raising at the same rate as the sea? Something doesn't smell right.


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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 04 Jun 2019, 17:09

so what are the lies from the left...... :purple
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 04 Jun 2019, 19:56

that is 80 mm over more than 25 years ......
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 05 Jun 2019, 16:52

Sprintcyclist wrote:that is 80 mm over more than 25 years ......

so 30 years ago when they said the ocean would rise they where correct, right ? :purple
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 05 Jun 2019, 17:38

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:that is 80 mm over more than 25 years ......

so 30 years ago when they said the ocean would rise they where correct, right ? :purple


30 years ago, they said the world would be kaput by now
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 09:25

No, nobody responsible ever said that.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 06 Jun 2019, 10:05

the left don't care what they do as long as they get their way.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 13:42

NOBODY responsible ever said that Sprint. If you beg to differ—give examples.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 06 Jun 2019, 14:43

I don't beg. I tell.

Just as greenies stop coal trains now, decades ago they were telling us how the world would be kaput.

They are belligerent bullying liars
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2019, 15:02

Nobody responsible ever said the globe would be kaput by now.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby johnsmith » 07 Jun 2019, 18:24

HBS Guy wrote:Nobody responsible ever said the globe would be kaput by now.

the problem with people like sprint is that they listen only to the most ridiculous, extreme claims, all whilst ignoring the mainstream. He would have read some one claim on facebook ten years ago, and has convinced himself that all the left were saying it.

All sides of politics have idiots that make outrages claim, both from the left and the right. You'd do well to ignore them both and concentrate on the real message being given by the moderates from each side.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Sprintcyclist » 08 Jun 2019, 16:40

Sprintcyclist wrote:the left don't care what they do as long as they get their way.

Just as greenies stop coal trains now, decades ago they were telling us how the world would be kaput.

They are belligerent bullying liars
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 08 Jun 2019, 16:45

You are belligerent to anybody pointing out flaws and bullshit in the silly propaganda rubbish you post here.

You can’t refute criticism, you get angry criticism is there. That sounds rather fascist as is the hate you have for Muslims. Developments in the States sound rather fascist to me too, maga hats instead of swastika armbands but the same choosing a minority to pillory, asylum seekers, hatred of a free press not one friendly to the Party etc. We are worse—cops in the ABC for fucks sake?
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 09 Jun 2019, 07:04

Sprintcyclist wrote:I don't beg. I tell.

Just as greenies stop coal trains now, decades ago they were telling us how the world would be kaput.

They are belligerent bullying liars

HAHA don't lets facts get in the way of a good rant Monk... :purple
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2019, 07:12

It would be nice if if was a good rant but it is just whatever bit of bullshit propaganda reached him last.
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby Julia » 18 Jun 2019, 18:16

The Greenie's lies are falling apart.

Global Warming is a HOAX.

Climate Change is a SCAM.



World-leading environmentalist turns his back on renewable energy
15/05/2019 RAY HADLEY MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER

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One of the world’s leading global warming gurus has changed his mind and turned on renewable energy.

Michael Shellenberger was named Time Magazine’s “Hero of the Environment,” in 2008 and is the Founder and President of Environmental Progress, an independent research and policy organization.

“Now that we know that renewables can’t save the planet, are we really going to stand by and let them destroy it?”
– Michael Shellenberger

He helped lobby for the US government to spend more than $150 billion on renewable energy but now he’s fighting against it.

In an article for Quillette, Mr Shellenberger explains why renewables can’t save the planet and outlines his cheaper and safer plane to combat climate change.

https://www.2gb.com/world-leading-environmentalist-turns-his-back-on-renewable-energy/?fbclid=IwAR2gbN54eKr_ToAtDOT-_ef3SWsJoSVrpdHaaJu3YB8pRmT9Q5FYUyoLU4c


Read the FULL ARTICLE HERE:- https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why-renewables-cant-save-the-planet/
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Re: More lies from the left

Postby DonDeeHippy » 19 Jun 2019, 07:37

It's just a piece for Nuke power..... problem is California spent billions on Nuke plants and they never worked and just about bankrupted the state in the 70's and 80's why would they want that again... :purple
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