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Dirty Power

PostPosted: 11 May 2019, 16:40
by mothra
Very important viewing.


Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 11 May 2019, 16:57
by johnsmith
Whilst no real surprise, it's disturbing to see it all laid out like that

time to bring in a federal ICAC to jail all these bastards

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 11 May 2019, 17:37
by mothra
johnsmith wrote:Whilst no real surprise, it's disturbing to see it all laid out like that

time to bring in a federal ICAC to jail all these bastards



It is highly disturbing.

Share it as far and wide as you can.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 11 May 2019, 22:02
by pinkeye
Not surprising. :S
I could only watch about 5.15 secs of that.
:sad
:thumb

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 04:45
by HBS Guy
I have two GetUp environmental posters in my front yard.

Day after the election I will recycle the corflutes to my Tassie shed, can use them there.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 04:57
by pinkeye
ahh that is the word I was searching for in my memory earlier today. Corflutes. Heads on campaign posters.

I have wondered what happens to them, over the years. Some remain..lingering on peoples fences or roadside, well past the election date.... visual pollution.

They might be useful as weed barriers.. lay them down on areas with lots of weeds. :bgrin

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 05:40
by HBS Guy
Only for paths.

No, cut them up and use one or more to protect the MDF in my shelving unit from rain: one set of shelves is close to the door to the little shed and rain could easily reach it when the door is open so put corflute down the end facing the door.Will get contact paper as well and maybe a coat or two of ceiling white paint, nice and cheap, to protect the shelves from leaks etc.

Decided to get a second shelving unit, keep stuff off the floor and at least partly organised.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 07:09
by Texan
They are great for target shooting. Staple targets to them and set them in front of an earth berm. The best signs have the metal wire bases. The wooden posts tend to get shot and broken in the center of the target.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 10:00
by Dax
This is how every aspect of our country is run, vested interests hold the power over all political parties, but it seems the majority are to stupid and programmed to learn the truth and do something about it. It;s the party system that is at fault, every party if the same, even the greens are run by vested interests and have no real policies. They all associate with the corporate and ideological elites, never the people. That alone is proof of their veracity.

But you'll all keep voting for them and nothing will change, until it is to late and that is now, not tomorrow or 5-10 years away.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 21:45
by pinkeye
Texan wrote:They are great for target shooting. Staple targets to them and set them in front of an earth berm. The best signs have the metal wire bases. The wooden posts tend to get shot and broken in the center of the target.



:bgrin :thumb

now all I need is my old .22 back. Sadly the police have it. Well, DID, back in the day when we had to surrender our weapons.
Apparently they were all destroyed.
Hey.. seems there are plenty more... weapons are being used in violent crimes here, regularly/

UMMM got sucked off-topic.
Sorry... because THIS ISSUE is just as significant .. for us.

Hey.. we have coal mines already. They're pumping out the coal.
They may have a relatively limited life, some of them.... like min. 10 yrs.

Just think about what we can develop it that time frame, that will replace the need for further coal mining.

WE DON'T NEED ADANI'S filthy MINE.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 12 May 2019, 21:55
by pinkeye
Dax wrote:This is how every aspect of our country is run, vested interests hold the power over all political parties, but it seems the majority are to stupid and programmed to learn the truth and do something about it. It;s the party system that is at fault, every party if the same, even the greens are run by vested interests and have no real policies. They all associate with the corporate and ideological elites, never the people. That alone is proof of their veracity.

But you'll all keep voting for them and nothing will change, until it is to late and that is now, not tomorrow or 5-10 years away.



Umm you have indicated you'll vote Informal.... I think that is a cop out.
As we used to say back in the day.

Your post (above) suggests voting is a waste of time. Meaningless.
But you are wrong. I'd never voluntarily dis-enfranchise myself of this innate human right ( as found) because of the poor options, and choose an informal vote.

. We must ACT,, always.. in whatever small way we are able... to promote what is right.

Surely you understand that this right was hard fought-for , and remains a precious thing. Many people in the world do not have this vote, this thing you spurn. Or perhaps you are really caning the voters... I understand that BUT don't denigrate this franchise... the right to VOTE.!

Not everyone can bug out completely.. ergo we have to pay attention... we are citizens and we have a responsibility to try the best we can to get what we NEED.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 13 May 2019, 06:44
by Dax
pinkeye wrote:
Dax wrote:This is how every aspect of our country is run, vested interests hold the power over all political parties, but it seems the majority are to stupid and programmed to learn the truth and do something about it. It;s the party system that is at fault, every party if the same, even the greens are run by vested interests and have no real policies. They all associate with the corporate and ideological elites, never the people. That alone is proof of their veracity.

But you'll all keep voting for them and nothing will change, until it is to late and that is now, not tomorrow or 5-10 years away.



Umm you have indicated you'll vote Informal.... I think that is a cop out.
As we used to say back in the day.

Your post (above) suggests voting is a waste of time. Meaningless.
But you are wrong. I'd never voluntarily dis-enfranchise myself of this innate human right ( as found) because of the poor options, and choose an informal vote.

. We must ACT,, always.. in whatever small way we are able... to promote what is right.

Surely you understand that this right was hard fought-for , and remains a precious thing. Many people in the world do not have this vote, this thing you spurn. Or perhaps you are really caning the voters... I understand that BUT don't denigrate this franchise... the right to VOTE.!

Not everyone can bug out completely.. ergo we have to pay attention... we are citizens and we have a responsibility to try the best we can to get what we NEED.


I've said I'll only vote informal if there are no decent independents and will never vote for a major party, or any current party, as they are all the same. The current voting system for this age is a waste of time, it assumes the people are stupid and only the parties are capable of running the country. When the opposite it true, it's the people who are the intelligent ones and the parties the idiots. We meed online voting and governance so the people have the say in all things and not just a small bunch of brain dead ideologues.

It's a cop out to give your vote to party, just so you have a vote. If there are no decent candidates, why give your vote to an idiot from a destructive party and contribute to the destruction of society, when an informal vote gives them nothing. I don't like voting informal and have only done it a couple of times, but won't give my vote to the party system and if everyone did that, the parties would soon be gone for good.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 13 May 2019, 17:59
by Bongalong
Dax wrote:This is how every aspect of our country is run, vested interests hold the power over all political parties, but it seems the majority are to stupid and programmed to learn the truth and do something about it. It;s the party system that is at fault, every party if the same, even the greens are run by vested interests and have no real policies. They all associate with the corporate and ideological elites, never the people. That alone is proof of their veracity.

But you'll all keep voting for them and nothing will change, until it is to late and that is now, not tomorrow or 5-10 years away.

If you place a formal vote one of the major parties will get your vote... :bike :bike

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 16 May 2019, 02:37
by pinkeye
trying to promote and EXPAND coal production in Australia is simply... MADNESS.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 16 May 2019, 04:10
by HBS Guy
But if we stop all coal exports like the Green liars say they want our customers will simply turn to other countries. Simplistic crap is for children.

And the coal miners will sue for compensation.

Some more nuanced policy is needed.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 16 May 2019, 21:54
by pinkeye
umm I think you are seriously over- complicating the issue.

Err.. what I am saying is... we already have coal mines.. supplying demand.
We can continue to do so until such time as they are used up. Why would coal-miners.. oh you mean the Companies... ? sue.? Ridiculous. They know the writing is on the wall.
We DO NOT NEED A NEW HUGE ONE. Not at all.

We need innovation...

I know you favour Nuclear power (another out-dated idea :roll ) but why support Coal FFS.!

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 17 May 2019, 14:50
by HBS Guy
No.

1. We are not the only coal-rich nation

2. Mines in operation cannot be closed down without sovereign risk/huge compensation.

Look, I have written reams of stuff here and in the ridiculous MRB that became the Dubyne MRB about CO2, AGW, renewable energy etc etc etc.

Solutions are not simple.

Re Adani you must realise it is a stalking horse for other miners with huge mining leases there, esp Gina.

I doubt we could just say “No!” to Adani because they and the other miners there would sue. Greens don’t care—they will never form governmenr—and will grandstand just to steal votes from Labor (in Victoria maybe.) Parties of Government (Nats/Libs/Labor) know that they cannot make wild promises and grandiose statements.

I hope Adani does not go ahead. Let them build their own railway—to a port on the Gulf so no ships through the GBR—power station, dams for water (NOT out the GBR) etc etc.

Other people hope the mine goes ahead and they get a job: very few will in reality once the building phase is over but they think they will be one to have a permanent job at Adani.

Re: Dirty Power

PostPosted: 17 May 2019, 16:30
by Dax
The claims for jobs regarding adani is false, almost all it's operations will be automated, just like they are doing in WA where they expect to be fully automated within 3 years. Building the railway will also be automated and the only jibs will be small construction of facilities, then nothing but automation.

Time to move into the 21st century with your comments, relying on last century practises is stupid when automation is in vogue. But that's how they con clones, tell the one thing when it's obvious that the opposite is the case.