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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 09 Jul 2019, 04:02

A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 09 Jul 2019, 07:47

pinkeye wrote:Umm didn't you just admit America is NOT a democracy?

so ? your post(below)



The right to his opinion is part & parcel to his unalienable Natural Right to Free Speech........it has nothing to do with Democracy. Democracy is nothing more than a political system......merely a form/type of government.


America's Founding Fathers incorporated a few principals of Democracy into the new American government, but America is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.......The American Founding Fathers wanted nothing to do with instituting a Democracy....they despised Democracy!

.BTW, the above unalienable Right, the unalienable Natural Right to Free Speech.....is protected in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.........it even protects "Hate Speech" (except for fighting words) for that matter (link) .......show me how many Democracies, you know of, that would do that...………...



MAKES SENSE.!!!! :Hi :roll :bgrin

Actually I agree with free speech, the government should not be able to put you in jail for your words, but if you make untrue statements or inflammatory statements about a person or organization they can take you to court and get you for slander.... :purple
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 09 Jul 2019, 07:52

Texan wrote:A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.

you have the problem of the 1% deciding what the 99% will do and your politicians looks after their constituency which is big business, they are the ones after all paying them (same as us in Aus unfortunately) ... :purple
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 09 Jul 2019, 08:43

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Texan wrote:A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.

you have the problem of the 1% deciding what the 99% will do and your politicians looks after their constituency which is big business, they are the ones after all paying them (same as us in Aus unfortunately) ... :purple


You think only 1% owns guns and/or believes in the 2A in America? My church hosts concealed carry licensing classes for the members. Out of the 10 houses on my street, I know of 9 people licensed to carry a gun in public, including a cop and 5 veterans. I only know of 1 house that is unarmed. There are a couple of houses I don't know about. Do you really think the "gun lobby" is that huge? Do you think the gun lobby is buying votes? Americans have the right to keep and bear arms and they are more than willing to take on the responsibility. If you don't like it, stay away.

Edit: Sorry. I just realized your comment was in general and not specifically about guns.
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 09 Jul 2019, 08:49

Texan wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Texan wrote:A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.

you have the problem of the 1% deciding what the 99% will do and your politicians looks after their constituency which is big business, they are the ones after all paying them (same as us in Aus unfortunately) ... :purple


You think only 1% owns guns and/or believes in the 2A in America? My church hosts concealed carry licensing classes for the members. Out of the 10 houses on my street, I know of 9 people licensed to carry a gun in public, including a cop and 5 veterans. I only know of 1 house that is unarmed. There are a couple of houses I don't know about. Do you really think the "gun lobby" is that huge? Do you think the gun lobby is buying votes? Americans have the right to keep and bear arms and they are more than willing to take on the responsibility. If you don't like it, stay away.

Edit: Sorry. I just realized your comment was in general and not specifically about guns.

hah it's ok I only just read you last line and had to delete a bunch of stuff :beer
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Bongalong » 09 Jul 2019, 16:44

"A direct democracy is mob rule": I'm not entirely sure that is correct???!!!????

It's certainly referencing Nietzcshes problems with democracy but whether the quote came before or after I don't know?!?
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DreamRyderX » 09 Jul 2019, 18:23

Bongalong wrote:"A direct democracy is mob rule": I'm not entirely sure that is correct???!!!????

It's certainly referencing Nietzcshes problems with democracy but whether the quote came before or after I don't know?!?



Mobocracy........50%+1 = will of the majority, & total domination of the majority over the minority.

Without laws, the Minority have no rights in a pure, direct Democracy....a Mobocracy.....



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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 10 Jul 2019, 00:18

Texan wrote:A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.


Yes indeed. You would be in a particularly good place to observe this
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Texan » 10 Jul 2019, 05:44

pinkeye wrote:
Texan wrote:A direct democracy is mob rule. If you get a majority vote, you rule. The constitutional republic contains guarantees of individual freedoms that are not susceptible to mob rule without the supermajority required to change the constitution.

Benjamin Franklin has been credited with this quote.“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

It illustrates the dangers of mob rule. What happens when the poorest 51% decide to take everything from the other 49%? Nobody has incentive to work and everybody suffers. What happens when a majority denies basic human rights to the minority? A direct democracy is only fair for the majority.


Yes indeed. You would be in a particularly good place to observe this

To provide a Texas example, there are 491 amendments to the Texas Constitution because it only requires a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress. Texas used to have a massive Democrat majority for over 100 years. Recently, Republicans have enjoyed a huge majority of 2/3 at times. It's a riot waiting to happen. They should require at least a 3/4 majority in each house and a 2/3 majority vote by the public on a ballot initiative. There is too much extremism and people wanting to change or even get rid of their constitution for mostly political reasons. It shouldn't be easy.

I'm curious. Were there specific individual rights being denied here or was that a general referral?
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby hatty » 10 Jul 2019, 09:27

human rights? ....... getting shot?

school teachers given encouragement to do weapons training to mop up the mess created by too many fucking weapons....

absurd........ no...... pathetic.

still no mention of all the free dead kids.... convenient.

the NRA can jerk off with their cold dead hands and suck-off their beloved weapons.

i just hope they leave the safety off.

imbeciles.

but also smart....... because they are getting rich as fuck thanks to the death and misery
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Get over it: Americans have a RIGHT to Guns!

Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 12:13

hatty wrote:human rights? ....... getting shot?

school teachers given encouragement to do weapons training to mop up the mess created by too many fucking weapons....

absurd........ no...... pathetic.

still no mention of all the free dead kids.... convenient.

the NRA can jerk off with their cold dead hands and suck-off their beloved weapons.

i just hope they leave the safety off.

imbeciles.

but also smart....... because they are getting rich as fuck thanks to the death and misery
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When all is said & done, absolutely nothing will change, & Hatty will still have no ability whatsoever to change or affect one iota of American gun policy.......Americans will retain all Gun Rights, & they will never repeal the Second Amendment, simply meaning , teachers will be allowed to carry firearms in schools to protect their students, & the "....Right to Keep & Bear Arms...." will continue to be the "Law of the Land" long after all our bones have turned to dust. Image

God Bless America...God Bless the NRA...

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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby hatty » 10 Jul 2019, 12:47

just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and continue to stupidly deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!

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Americans have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Guns!

Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 12:53

hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby Bongalong » 10 Jul 2019, 13:26

DreamRyderX wrote:
hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 13:44

Bongalong wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:
hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics: but I somehow suspect/don't think you care about the rules of general conversation!


Awwwww.......you seem to have a little problem with statistics.......especially those you can't disprove. Image

As I've said it before, I'll gladly say it again Bongo......you have a RIGHT to your PERSONAL OPINIONS........And I, as an American, respect your right to express them, & not only that, I respectfully disagree with many of them...... Image
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 10 Jul 2019, 13:47

Lets look at this silly meme, because its gang related it has nothing to do with Americans... I'm pretty sure the gang deaths are in the USA.
10560 homicides a year


ok if you want to ignore gang death for some strange reason.. then there are 8448 gang deaths

that leaves 2112 homicides..... not 1712 :huh


for a meme starting with "Let's do some math" it makes me wonder if any of it's true...….. :oops

ok now the chances of dying by a gun...… 32,000 deaths and 350,000,000 people.
so that is .00109 % not .0000102% as the "Lets do the math" person forgot that a percent is 1/100th of a amount... again crappy maths,
this same person that put this together is to be trusted on anything he says.... I don't think so

Now every statistic ive seen has been on amount of deaths per 100,000 people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate
this is for homicides per 100,000
AUstralia equals .18
USA equals 4.46

now if by some magic the guy that made this crappy meme is right and take away 80% for gangs
then

USA equals .892
still 5 times more likely to be murdered in America with a gun than in Aus.….

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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby hatty » 10 Jul 2019, 13:49

DreamRyderX wrote:
hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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ooooooohhhhh only 32,000 deaths? thats ok then

maths...... gun victims are not numbers

they are fucking people.

and let's do some maths on how god created earth in 7 days and snuggles up to all the dead gun victim children. lust like your priests.... show me the maths on how many dead people are snug in the arms of the silky long hared white dude from Palestine..... oh wait you can't.

iI there was a GOD which there isn't

i doubt that he/she would bless america let alone the fucking cunty NRA.

give me the math to prove otherwise..... i shall wait in anticipation
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Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 14:01

hatty wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:
hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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ooooooohhhhh only 32,000 deaths? thats ok then

maths...... gun victims are not numbers

they are fucking people.

and let's do some maths on how god created earth in 7 days and snuggles up to all the dead gun victim children. lust like your priests.... show me the maths on how many dead people are snug in the arms of the silky long hared white dude from Palestine..... oh wait you can't.

iI their was a god which three isn't

i doubt that he/she would bless america let alone the fucking cunty NRA.

give me the math to prove otherwise..... i shall wait in anticipation


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You having absolutely no control over an American's Right to Keep & Bear Arms must really frost yer cookies, mate! Image

Don't burst an artery over it fella............just accept it as something out of yer control......can't ban everythin' ya don't like, mate..... Image



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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby hatty » 10 Jul 2019, 14:09

i'm doing nothing of the sort.

america's cock extensions burst enough arteries....... and thats just in their own country....... not even considering the innocent people they have murdered overseas.

keep on trying to justify the 32,000 dead people in america though dickhead

i cant' wait to hear that
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Re: Americans have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Guns!

Postby Bongalong » 10 Jul 2019, 14:10

DreamRyderX wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:
hatty wrote:just keep ignoring the body count ryder.

all the free dead people.

i don't give a fuck about your inexplicable boner for guns.

shoot each other all you want.

you know....... just remove yourselves from the gene pool.

just sucks if it happens someone close to you....... maybe the broken egg..... toddler?

oh wait it won't because you chose to live here...... and deny that firearms CONTROL actually works

yee fucking ha!!


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Awwwww.......you seem to have a little problem with statistics.......especially those you can't disprove. Image

As I've said it before, I'll gladly say it again Bongo......you have a RIGHT to your PERSONAL OPINIONS........And I, as an American, respect your right to express them, & not only that, I respectfully disagree with many of them...... Image

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Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 14:23

DonDeeHippy wrote:Lets look at this silly meme, because its gang related it has nothing to do with Americans... I'm pretty sure the gang deaths are in the USA.
10560 homicides a year


ok if you want to ignore gang death for some strange reason.. then there are 8448 gang deaths

that leaves 2112 homicides..... not 1712 :huh


for a meme starting with "Let's do some math" it makes me wonder if any of it's true...….. :oops

ok now the chances of dying by a gun...… 32,000 deaths and 350,000,000 people.
so that is .00109 % not .0000102% as the "Lets do the math" person forgot that a percent is 1/100th of a amount... again crappy maths,
this same person that put this together is to be trusted on anything he says.... I don't think so

Now every statistic ive seen has been on amount of deaths per 100,000 people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate
this is for homicides per 100,000
AUstralia equals .18
USA equals 4.46

now if by some magic the guy that made this crappy meme is right and take away 80% for gangs
then

USA equals .892
still 5 times more likely to be murdered in America with a gun than in Aus.….




That's fine.....I happen to live in Australia.....mate, but when I go back now & then I'll keep yer amazing stats in mind.....as I slip on my PX4...... Image
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby DonDeeHippy » 10 Jul 2019, 15:17

DreamRyderX wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:Lets look at this silly meme, because its gang related it has nothing to do with Americans... I'm pretty sure the gang deaths are in the USA.
10560 homicides a year


ok if you want to ignore gang death for some strange reason.. then there are 8448 gang deaths

that leaves 2112 homicides..... not 1712 :huh


for a meme starting with "Let's do some math" it makes me wonder if any of it's true...….. :oops

ok now the chances of dying by a gun...… 32,000 deaths and 350,000,000 people.
so that is .00109 % not .0000102% as the "Lets do the math" person forgot that a percent is 1/100th of a amount... again crappy maths,
this same person that put this together is to be trusted on anything he says.... I don't think so

Now every statistic ive seen has been on amount of deaths per 100,000 people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate
this is for homicides per 100,000
AUstralia equals .18
USA equals 4.46

now if by some magic the guy that made this crappy meme is right and take away 80% for gangs
then

USA equals .892
still 5 times more likely to be murdered in America with a gun than in Aus.….




That's fine.....I happen to live in Australia.....mate, but when I go back now & then I'll keep yer amazing stats in mind.....as I slip on my PX4...... Image

be careful :purple because the mem says 3% of deaths are accidents , don't slip as you slip on the gun.....
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Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 15:31

hatty wrote:i'm doing nothing of the sort.

america's cock extensions burst enough arteries....... and thats just in their own country....... not even considering the innocent people they have murdered overseas.

keep on trying to justify the 32,000 dead people in america though dickhead

i cant' wait to hear that


Awwww.......that bothers you a lot.......don't it......Image

Being 60 to 65% are self-inflicted, one on one suicides.....where the user got 100% satisfaction from his/her weapon .....the firearm performed as intended, that drops the number to only 19,000 or so.

Without wasting time rationalizing any more stats to your satisfaction, personally I don't know anyone (any American) that stays awake nights pondering those deaths. It's the "Price of Freedom".....bought & paid for by the generations of brave Americans who paid the ultimate price to keep us all FREE!

The suicides, the gang on gang shootouts, the criminals who deserved to be shot because they made very bad decisions in life, & finally accidents are just that, accidents.....taken all into account......I can & will comfortably live with those numbers, as most Americans can probably do the same, & when all is said & done.....double....even triple those numbers, most all of us wouldn't even think once, much less than twice, about trading off our Right to Self-Defense....the Right to defend our loved ones & friends, to please some bleedin' heart Progressive Anti-gunners..........
No Way!!!

America, for the Americans........we have the only opinions that matters on this subject.....all non-Americans have a valid right to their opinions, but they don't, & never will, affect policy when it comes to an American's Rights......period.

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Postby DreamRyderX » 10 Jul 2019, 15:39

DonDeeHippy wrote:.........be careful :purple because the mem says 3% of deaths are accidents , don't slip as you slip on the gun.....


Well, if that happens .... that's life......I'm sure the Good Lord would have had His reasons.....I wouldn't mind......you know the thing about death & taxes.....it gets ya either way.....it will happen to us all one way or another.....if it's by gun, better that than suffering with cancer! Image
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Re: Get over it: Americans are allowed to have guns!

Postby pinkeye » 10 Jul 2019, 23:44

hatty wrote:
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ooooooohhhhh only 32,000 deaths? thats ok then

maths...... gun victims are not numbers

they are fucking people.

and let's do some maths on how god created earth in 7 days and snuggles up to all the dead gun victim children. lust like your priests.... show me the maths on how many dead people are snug in the arms of the silky long hared white dude from Palestine..... oh wait you can't.

iI there was a GOD which there isn't

i doubt that he/she would bless america let alone the fucking cunty NRA.

give me the math to prove otherwise..... i shall wait in anticipation[/quote]

Good post.. I agree. the crims have the guns.. and that means... MOST of US citizens are basically, at their core, crims and killers.

Am I right, or what.?

What else..? God-fearing Americans have no fear in killing other people. This is NOT what being a christian means.

Gosh, maybe Tex and Seth are NOT religious.!!
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