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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 08 Nov 2018, 18:49

Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby fisherman » 08 Nov 2018, 20:16

Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 08 Nov 2018, 20:56

fisherman wrote:
Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.

The U.S. produces more nuclear weapons than any other nation on earth and they have a law against terrorism. What cucks.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 08 Nov 2018, 21:09

fisherman wrote:
Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.


They have the lowest violent crime rate in the developed world.

Yet they're cucks.

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 08 Nov 2018, 21:14

Auggie wrote:
fisherman wrote:
Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.


They have the lowest violent crime rate in the developed world.

Yet they're cucks.

Right!


Japanese are great peoples
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 08 Nov 2018, 21:15

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
fisherman wrote:
Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.


They have the lowest violent crime rate in the developed world.

Yet they're cucks.

Right!


Japanese are great peoples


Indeed they are.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 08 Nov 2018, 21:27

Fuck ... another one
Mass shooting at Borderline Bar and Grill in California results in multiple fatalities

There has been a mass shooting at a Californian bar, with at least 11 people injured, including multiple fatalities, authorities said.

Police said the gunman was deceased, and the victims included one police officer.

The Ventura County Sheriff said the number of injured would increase and that there were "multiple fatalities", without confirming numbers.

The attack took place late on Wednesday night, local time, at the Borderline Bar and Grill, in Thousand Oaks, California.

Ventura County Sheriff's Office Captain Garo Kuredjian initially said the wounded officer had been taken to hospital.

ABC7 Eyewitness News showed images of the bar surrounded by dozens of police vehicles, with victims being treated by paramedics.

There were reports of pools of blood in the area, and responders attending to one injured person outside the venue.

A witness described to ABC7 Eyewitness News hearing at least 12 shots before he escaped out the door, with a security guard down on the floor injured.

He said the man set off smoke grenades inside before opening fire.

Another witness said he saw a security guard being shot as well as a female cashier, before he also fled.

"It was just some lowlife taking lives he shouldn't be taking," he said.

"It was just young people having a great time and this maniac came in and started shooting people for no reason at all."

Witnesses said they had spoken to friends who escaped the shooting, which took place during a popular student night at the bar.

"It was chaos, people jumping out of windows, jumping over gates, just trying to get out," one man said



I just don't get why Americans are so adverse to tightening gun laws. I weep for you guys every time I see another one of these stories, and they're an almost weekly occurrence. Come on guys, isn't it time you woke up to the fact that not everyone should be allowed a gun?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 08 Nov 2018, 22:09

johnsmith wrote:I just don't get why Americans are so adverse to tightening gun laws. I weep for you guys every time I see another one of these stories, and they're an almost weekly occurrence. Come on guys, isn't it time you woke up to the fact that not everyone should be allowed a gun?

"isn't it time you woke up?"

I am searching for a word. I want to say "naïve" but it doesn't work any longer. It belongs in the bin with other expressions such as,

"to insure this never happens again" and
"this is a wakeup call" and
"it was at that point that I realized" and
"let's put this behind us" and
"the time has come" and ....... Fork me.

I feel completely exasperated when I hear people say these things. And then there is, "The president/PM/ Queen expressed concern over ..... "

Don't get me wrong. I am 127% behind you with the tightening of laws bit but the obvious answer to your question is "No, apparently not". So why did you bother asking? :huh
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 08 Nov 2018, 22:11

Cracky wrote:So why did you bother asking? :huh


desperation? what else can one do?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 08 Nov 2018, 22:17

johnsmith wrote:
Cracky wrote:So why did you bother asking? :huh


desperation? what else can one do?

A fair question. I'll give you the answer as soon as I have it.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby fisherman » 09 Nov 2018, 02:59

Cracky wrote:
fisherman wrote:
Auggie wrote:Gun control does work.

Just look at Japan.


Japanese are cucks. Japan produces a lot of knife brands and they have a law against carrying a knife. What cucks lol.

The U.S. produces more nuclear weapons than any other nation on earth and they have a law against terrorism. What cucks.


USA produces Colts, Smith & Wessons, Armalite, Magpul, Rock Island Armory, STI, etc, Benchmade, Spyderco, Cold Steel, Kabar, Buck, Kershaw, CRKT, SABRE, Gerber and people use them and can own them. Swedish cuck.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 09 Nov 2018, 06:40

Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Cracky wrote:So why did you bother asking? :huh


desperation? what else can one do?

A fair question. I'll give you the answer as soon as I have it.



I have it! Show him the exit with a boot up his ass.

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 09 Nov 2018, 08:24

:c :c
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 09 Nov 2018, 08:54

johnsmith wrote:Fuck ... another one
Mass shooting at Borderline Bar and Grill in California results in multiple fatalities

There has been a mass shooting at a Californian bar, with at least 11 people injured, including multiple fatalities, authorities said.

Police said the gunman was deceased, and the victims included one police officer.

The Ventura County Sheriff said the number of injured would increase and that there were "multiple fatalities", without confirming numbers.

The attack took place late on Wednesday night, local time, at the Borderline Bar and Grill, in Thousand Oaks, California.

Ventura County Sheriff's Office Captain Garo Kuredjian initially said the wounded officer had been taken to hospital.

ABC7 Eyewitness News showed images of the bar surrounded by dozens of police vehicles, with victims being treated by paramedics.

There were reports of pools of blood in the area, and responders attending to one injured person outside the venue.

A witness described to ABC7 Eyewitness News hearing at least 12 shots before he escaped out the door, with a security guard down on the floor injured.

He said the man set off smoke grenades inside before opening fire.

Another witness said he saw a security guard being shot as well as a female cashier, before he also fled.

"It was just some lowlife taking lives he shouldn't be taking," he said.

"It was just young people having a great time and this maniac came in and started shooting people for no reason at all."

Witnesses said they had spoken to friends who escaped the shooting, which took place during a popular student night at the bar.

"It was chaos, people jumping out of windows, jumping over gates, just trying to get out," one man said



I just don't get why Americans are so adverse to tightening gun laws. I weep for you guys every time I see another one of these stories, and they're an almost weekly occurrence. Come on guys, isn't it time you woke up to the fact that not everyone should be allowed a gun?


What about the number of people killed all over the world by their government? Is that a good enough reason to let the people own guns? Are the 10-12K people murdered every year in the US an acceptable loss? Does an armed population give the government pause to killing their citizens? That's the thoughts of the founding fathers with the "tree of liberty" line. I know I would rather live in control of my own life and be responsible for my own actions than hand over cradle to grave control to a government.

https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder/

40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin. 1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978 “The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties. Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.

In Texas, every year armed citizens kill the same number of criminals in self defense as Texas law enforcement. It's called "justifiable homicide" and not murder. The numbers vary slightly every year. Sometimes the police win and sometimes civilians win. The combined total is typically between 100-120 criminals. Those get added to the "gun death" statistics when they are actually a good thing.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 09 Nov 2018, 10:23

Texan wrote:What about the number of people killed all over the world by their government?


that's a cop out. It's relatively easy to restrict handguns. Changing governments, especially those of other countries is a little more difficult. No one is saying you need to ban all guns. Just don't make it so easy for people to buy guns. Everyone should have a background check, and there should be a minimum of a week or two between someone ordering a gun and it being released. Far to many people get worked up over something and lash out. forcing them to wait gives them an opportunity to cool down

Texan wrote:https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder/

40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin. 1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978 “The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties. Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.



none of those countries were democracies. In a democracy, people shoot with their votes, not bullets


Texan wrote:In Texas, every year armed citizens kill the same number of criminals in self defense as Texas law enforcement. It's called "justifiable homicide" and not murder. The numbers vary slightly every year. Sometimes the police win and sometimes civilians win. The combined total is typically between 100-120 criminals. Those get added to the "gun death" statistics when they are actually a good thing.


and restricting hand guns not only makes it more difficult for the everyday population to get guns, but also the criminals. Guess how many people were shot by criminals in Australia? Then compare that with the US.


I'm not suggesting you ban guns. For some reason that seems to be impossible in the US. But to give them out willy nilly seems absurd.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 09 Nov 2018, 13:32

johnsmith wrote:
Texan wrote:What about the number of people killed all over the world by their government?


that's a cop out. It's relatively easy to restrict handguns. Changing governments, especially those of other countries is a little more difficult. No one is saying you need to ban all guns. Just don't make it so easy for people to buy guns. Everyone should have a background check, and there should be a minimum of a week or two between someone ordering a gun and it being released. Far to many people get worked up over something and lash out. forcing them to wait gives them an opportunity to cool down

Texan wrote:https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder/

40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin. 1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978 “The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties. Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.



none of those countries were democracies. In a democracy, people shoot with their votes, not bullets


Texan wrote:In Texas, every year armed citizens kill the same number of criminals in self defense as Texas law enforcement. It's called "justifiable homicide" and not murder. The numbers vary slightly every year. Sometimes the police win and sometimes civilians win. The combined total is typically between 100-120 criminals. Those get added to the "gun death" statistics when they are actually a good thing.


and restricting hand guns not only makes it more difficult for the everyday population to get guns, but also the criminals. Guess how many people were shot by criminals in Australia? Then compare that with the US.


I'm not suggesting you ban guns. For some reason that seems to be impossible in the US. But to give them out willy nilly seems absurd.


I like UBC, but Democrats would make it a backdoor registration. Personally, I'd have no problem with UBC as long as anybody with an ID that proves they have a current background check does not have to fill any paperwork out. Anybody with a CHL, police, judges, military all have been background checked six ways to Sunday. Without a complete list of gun owners and guns registered, the government cannot get complete control. I would allow undocumented private sales to background checked people.

Have you seen the Democrat party lately? They are coming out from closet socialism to full blown socialism. They refuse to recognize the situation in Venezuela. They are growing through giving away money and inviting foreigners in to expand their power base as their kids become American Democrats. I'm fine right now, but my grandkids are going to have a tough time dealing with socialism. The world will also have problems with the instability, but not as extreme as the change America will see. I don't think using the list of nations who killed their own people is a cop out at all. It's just a couple of generations away. Call it paranoia, but that's what I see coming.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Aussie » 09 Nov 2018, 13:37

UBC.

???????? background check.

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 09 Nov 2018, 13:51

Aussie wrote:UBC.

???????? background check.

:?

Universal Background Check - Sorry.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Nov 2018, 13:56

"Does GUN control REALLY work?"

Without a gun, you can't shoot someone.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 09 Nov 2018, 14:17

greggerypeccary wrote:"Does GUN control REALLY work?"

Without a gun, you can't shoot someone.


That's right, but some people deserve to be shot. How do you stop gangs from invading homes? We don't live on an island. Drugs are smuggled through Mexico and there is no reason that guns can't be smuggled as well. The Mexican people are disarmed. They are trapped between the cartels and the corrupt government. It sucks to be them and I don't want to be.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 09 Nov 2018, 14:28

Texan wrote:
johnsmith wrote:I just don't get why Americans are so adverse to tightening gun laws. I weep for you guys every time I see another one of these stories, and they're an almost weekly occurrence. Come on guys, isn't it time you woke up to the fact that not everyone should be allowed a gun?


What about the number of people killed all over the world by their government? Is that a good enough reason to let the people own guns?

I am struggling to avoid noting that your name is "Texan", where most of the shootings take place as I am led to believe. But allow me to answer your question. Yours is a simple question and mine is a simple answer: DEMOCRACY. You 're going down the wrong road, my American friend and the logic that you employ/insinuate in your question says it all.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 09 Nov 2018, 14:31

johnsmith wrote: In a democracy, people shoot with their votes, not bullets

I ought to remove my response and let yours stand for the both of us.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

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Texan wrote:Have you seen the Democrat party lately? They are coming out from closet socialism to full blown socialism.

I am dumbfounded that Americans believe such rubbish. The US is restricted to a two-party system. Now I know the American educational system is useless by international standards but I do believe that most American have heard the expression, "Divide and Rule." The implications of that should give Americans the knowledge they need to realize that they are being held hostage by the Dick & Jane philosophy of "It's their fault!" "No! It's theirs!"
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 09 Nov 2018, 14:54

Cracky wrote:
Texan wrote:Have you seen the Democrat party lately? They are coming out from closet socialism to full blown socialism.

I am dumbfounded that Americans believe such rubbish. The US is restricted to a two-party system. Now I know the American educational system is useless by international standards but I do believe that most American have heard the expression, "Divide and Rule." The implications of that should give Americans the knowledge they need to realize that they are being held hostage by the Dick & Jane philosophy of "It's their fault!" "No! It's theirs!"


The Democrats don't have a monopoly on corruption. The way I see it, the Democrat Party is the fast train to chaos and the Republican Party is the slow train to chaos. The Tea party types are trying to steer the Republican Party. I don't like Trump on a personal level, but he seems to be the only person with the balls and ability to confront both parties and that is why he was elected.

Democrats = gun control, out of control social welfare and medicine, no borders, anti national security

Republicans = low taxes, strong military, gun rights, personal responsibility The problem with the Republican party is that the leadership is as bought and paid for by special interests and lobbyists. They give the platform lip service and then "compromise" with(sell out for) the Democrats. Just look at the Omnibus bill.

The US isn't restricted to a 2 party system, it's just that the 2 we have are so huge that for now a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote. My personal views are probably midway between Republican and Libertarian parties.
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