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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 04 Oct 2018, 10:36

In the majority of cases, addiction is not a medical problem, but a psychological one and legalising addictive drugs is stupid. All it will do is increase the number addicted and where do addicts get the money to pay for their drugs, other than from crime. They are not capable of working and don't want to, all they want is their next hit and will take anything to get it.

We have tried to help many supposed recovering addicts, 90% aren't interested and or rip you off to buy their hits. Do have a couple in our company who have made it, they were prescription addicts provided by the medical profession and really struggled to get over it.

There's is a big difference between voluntary addicts and medically induced addicts, almost impossible to help voluntary addicts, but medical addicts respond well to rehab and good support.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Oct 2018, 11:16

Medical incl psychological problem. Making it a police problem, the War on Drugs™ is not the right way to go.

Legalise marijuana, tax it. Takes a lot of crims out of the picture. Help addicts, even if by providing better drugs at a lot less price than crims supply it. Methadone is a dreadful drug, more addictive than heroin so is the wrong approach.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby mothra » 04 Oct 2018, 12:59

Clearly in his extensive travels, Dax never made it to Portugal:

Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Oct 2018, 15:08

Hmmm yeah, I should have remembered it, made a post on it somewhere.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 04 Oct 2018, 15:32

mothra wrote:Clearly in his extensive travels, Dax never made it to Portugal:

Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?


In my travels go to Portugal regularly, because many ships dock there to drop of EU goods at Lisbon and that's one of the places we change ships.

You need to read the article, before continuing to make a fool of yourself and other relevant documents that are not lying PC crap. The fall out from addiction, in Portugal's allowing possession of small quantities of opioids, is having a horrendous effect on it's health, welfare and economic system. You can legalise opioids, but you can't stop the destructive effects it has on the body, like heart, stomach, liver, pancreas, kidney disease and cancers.

In your PC day dreams you may think legalising addictive substances will solve the problems, but it only creates many many more long term problems and Portugal is experiencing that now.

Addictive substances given freely, create more problems than they solve because it doesn't remove the cause and like every other approach to health, they work on the symptoms instead of the causes.

Drugs are still illegal in Portugal and they send dealers and traffickers to jail, they try to rehabilitate people and allow every one to have a small amount of drugs on them, But when caught, they are placed in a program to rehabilitate them.

The same approach I propose, if you actually read what I post and the actual facts, which is very dubious as your knowledge revolves around lying PC claims, which are not true when you look at the real facts. Drugs are not legal in Portugal, that's a fact you seem to grasp.

Portugal is an economic disaster, if you've ever been there, you will see how it has deteriorated since 2000 and along with the huge cost of their drug program and associated health care for addicts, is destroying the state.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby hatty » 04 Oct 2018, 15:43

HBS Guy wrote:So legalise drugs, tax them, and stop pretending we haven’t already lost the War on Drugs™ before it started.

Take the crims out of the supply chain, make it a medical problem which is what it is.


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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Oct 2018, 16:17

Only sensible way. Prohibition doesn’t work. Didn’t work for booze, hasn’t worked for marijuana.

Some things we do are good, sharps bins, shooting up galleries. Defacto decriminalisation.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby mothra » 04 Oct 2018, 16:24

HBS Guy wrote:Only sensible way. Prohibition doesn’t work. Didn’t work for booze, hasn’t worked for marijuana.

Some things we do are good, sharps bins, shooting up galleries. Defacto decriminalisation.



Of course. And addiction and abuse to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 04 Oct 2018, 18:09

Amazing, you lot spend all your time attacking my idea's and then you agree with them. Which shows you're so programmed in ideological denial of reality, you have to denounce anything that you think differs from your ridiculous stance, or doesn't come from a PC media source.

Drug addiction is not a health problem, it is a psychological issue, which requires a very different approach to the pharmacological medical one. Providing free methadone, smack, ice, free needles and places to hit up, does not solve the addiction problem, but enhances, encourages and feeds it.

You have to remove the cause and with drug addiction, it all revolves around the addicts head trip. If you can change that, the addiction becomes irrelevant to them. If not, put them away from society until they come to terms with themselves, or remain where they are. Treat them well, give them choice and then it's their decision.

You're all so bloody pathetic, you accuse me of being cocky, a know it all and have so much hate within you for those different, you fail to see the reality. I only comment on subjects have knowledge and experience in, you won't find a post of mine on most subjects here, they either don't interest me, or have no worthwhile knowledge to add in the conversation. My on going experience in this subject goes back to the 1950's when living on the streets and drugs was an every day event around me. Have lived with junkies, junkie pro's, watched friends go from cool people to so bent do anything for a hit and most die from OD's, or organ failure. Plus those who got hooked but fought back and won, they got the help and support they needed, from those around them who understood where they were coming from.

If you have any knowledge of the methadone program, you'd know it's rare to see anyone on the program get past their 40's and to get to that age for an addict, is real lucky. Their bodies give up, opioids destroy the bodies organs and it only takes a few years to become apparent. That's why in Asia in the past, only the old, very sick or dying people used opium. When they could no longer work they retired on opium, as it didn't matter and the pain of old age was dulled. Seems you have no problem with shortening the lives of the addicted, bit like palliative care, which is another saying for, killing them softly.

Time to grow up kiddies, psychologically that is.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby pinkeye » 04 Oct 2018, 22:42

Dax wrote:In the majority of cases, addiction is not a medical problem, but a psychological one and legalising addictive drugs is stupid. All it will do is increase the number addicted and where do addicts get the money to pay for their drugs, other than from crime. They are not capable of working and don't want to, all they want is their next hit and will take anything to get it.

We have tried to help many supposed recovering addicts, 90% aren't interested and or rip you off to buy their hits. Do have a couple in our company who have made it, they were prescription addicts provided by the medical profession and really struggled to get over it.

There's is a big difference between voluntary addicts and medically induced addicts, almost impossible to help voluntary addicts, but medical addicts respond well to rehab and good support.


Our problem is dealing with the results of political policy, and all the perceptions that are required to continue to support this horror story.

You echo these perceptions... people who 'voluntarily' become in contact with, and often in trouble with drugs (illicit 'drugs) are scum.
People that fall afoul of a medical industry that produces these drugs, who are your neighbours likely as not, are victims.

Sorry I don't accept that position. Your thinking is too simplistic, and too willing to condemn people, sight unseen.

You're just doing what all divisive drug laws have done, and choose to persecute those who may not meet your level as acceptable human beings.
You're an elitist, and you can't deny it.
You believe you absolutely know what you are talking about. And perhaps you do... but you aren't as worldly wise as you think you are. Your view is limited.

The world isn't actually what you think it is, nor the people in it. Much as you might believe otherwise. :roll

Get over yourself Dax. :roll
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 05 Oct 2018, 07:20

pinkeye wrote:
Dax wrote:In the majority of cases, addiction is not a medical problem, but a psychological one and legalising addictive drugs is stupid. All it will do is increase the number addicted and where do addicts get the money to pay for their drugs, other than from crime. They are not capable of working and don't want to, all they want is their next hit and will take anything to get it.

We have tried to help many supposed recovering addicts, 90% aren't interested and or rip you off to buy their hits. Do have a couple in our company who have made it, they were prescription addicts provided by the medical profession and really struggled to get over it.

There's is a big difference between voluntary addicts and medically induced addicts, almost impossible to help voluntary addicts, but medical addicts respond well to rehab and good support.


Our problem is dealing with the results of political policy, and all the perceptions that are required to continue to support this horror story.

You echo these perceptions... people who 'voluntarily' become in contact with, and often in trouble with drugs (illicit 'drugs) are scum.
People that fall afoul of a medical industry that produces these drugs, who are your neighbours likely as not, are victims.

Sorry I don't accept that position. Your thinking is too simplistic, and too willing to condemn people, sight unseen.

You're just doing what all divisive drug laws have done, and choose to persecute those who may not meet your level as acceptable human beings.
You're an elitist, and you can't deny it.
You believe you absolutely know what you are talking about. And perhaps you do... but you aren't as worldly wise as you think you are. Your view is limited.

The world isn't actually what you think it is, nor the people in it. Much as you might believe otherwise. :roll

Get over yourself Dax. :roll


Must be awful to be so pathetically ignorant you have to make things up to try to make a point, seems a trend with people today. Can't answer or justify their delusional sociologically destructive demands, which the results are viewable throughout society to anyone with a working brain, not controlled by insane ideological fantasy.

Because of the depth of your inability to cope with the realities of life, like all ideologues, you make things up or change what is written to suit yourself. In the vain hope no one will notice your deception, so funny.

Nowhere do I claim voluntary junkies are scum, they are your words not mine. Which is typical of moronic egocentric fools, who live in a disney land mindset, so pathetically try to change reality to suit their failing delusions.

Now the reality of what you fools envisage has been shown to you, that Portugal has not legalised drugs and the real facts and outcomes surrounding giving these biologically destructive opioids freely to junkies, can't work in the long run.

Ignorant fools never consider the long term effects on society, victims and users from free access to these destructive substances. Rather than admit you're wrong, you do the typical cowardly moronic thing and attack the messenger. Can't get any more mentally infantile than that, but clones are just clones, so have no freedom of thought whatsoever, which is reflected in posts eminently.

Put simply, all you rely upon in life, is delusionary propaganda fed to you be the PC ideological elites, through their lying media. Which is contributing to the growing incidence of drug addiction throughout societies, fed by the medical, pharmaceutical and processed foods industry.

Unless you remove the causes and triggers, nothing can change, only get worse and that goes for all aspects of society. With drugs, you find the triggers, take them away and re-educate people minds into better directions. Not feed their habits so they slowly die from the debilitating destructive effects of opioids and amphetamines ingestion.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Oct 2018, 07:42

Prohibition isn’t working. Addiction is a medical problem not a police problem.

Starting from that we can work out a much more sensible way to tackle drugs of addiction.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 05 Oct 2018, 10:30

HBS Guy wrote:Prohibition isn’t working. Addiction is a medical problem not a police problem.

Starting from that we can work out a much more sensible way to tackle drugs of addiction.


Addiction is not a medical problem, but a psychological one. The medical approach is more drugs and that leads to further addictions and biologic problems pharmaceutical drugs cause. You can't cure drug addiction with more drugs, the methadone program has proven that and when it come to amphetamines, only psychological change will address those.

So what is your sensible ways to tackle drugs of addiction, or as usual, all you have is nothing but denial and empty platitudes in the hope no one will notice you refuse to look outside your narrow ideological box. You reject what has been proven to work, re-education, lifestyle/dietary changes and proper achievable goals in life. Desperately clinging desperately to what has been proven to be a complete failure, no different to the rest of society and it's approach to the future, ignorantly stuffed.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Oct 2018, 11:16

You think addicts make lifestyle/dietary changes? :rofl :rofl

Prohibition doesn’t work and that is why the War on Drugs™ was lost before it started.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 05 Oct 2018, 14:48

HBS Guy wrote:You think addicts make lifestyle/dietary changes? :rofl :rofl

Prohibition doesn’t work and that is why the War on Drugs™ was lost before it started.


Thank you, always refreshing when a clone reveals the depth of their ignorance. In drug and alcohol rehab programs around Aus, they have components which deal with lifestyle and diet. Medically induced addicts, rarely need help in diet and lifestyle, but voluntary addicts, do meed guidance on those.

If you had a working brain, instead of just a simple ideological program for a mind, you'd know rehab can't work if junkies return to the lifestyle and dietary regime of their addiction and the majority do. Those who want to get well, need guidance to get them away for the environment and lifestyle of their addiction.

The only prohibition of drugs, is marijuana. You can get a huge variety of opioids provided by pharmaceutical companies, just about anywhere, especially chemists online and most doctors don't hesitate to prescribe them.

Then you have analgesics and amphetamines, how do you control amphetamines, which are slowly destroying society and the majority of domestic violence, road rage and unprovoked street assaults today are being caused by amphetamines.

You don't have a clue, all you can do is push the button to the PC recorded message in your brain, of denial and PC approaches will fix it, when the facts are the opposite. You've probably never been near real junkies, or been exposed to their lifestyles, which is eminently apparent in your replies.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Oct 2018, 15:41

You do not have a fucking clue about me and I suggest you stop telling us what we think and all that senseless crap!

An addict on the streets is not going to worry about fucking diet, just wants a fix and enough food to stay alive.

Good some addicts can be helped medically. Making drugs illegal is not going to stop people getting drugs.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby mothra » 05 Oct 2018, 15:57

Seriously Monk. No point.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Oct 2018, 16:01

Dax reminds me of my former business partner, dogmatic as hell even when in the wrong or ignorant of what is involved in the matter at hand.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby mothra » 05 Oct 2018, 23:22

HBS Guy wrote:Dax reminds me of my former business partner, dogmatic as hell even when in the wrong or ignorant of what is involved in the matter at hand.


Dax pairs an over-confidence in his own reasoning with disdain for anything that challenges it. It's tremendously boring.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby pinkeye » 06 Oct 2018, 01:27

Dax wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:You think addicts make lifestyle/dietary changes? :rofl :rofl

Prohibition doesn’t work and that is why the War on Drugs™ was lost before it started.


Thank you, always refreshing when a clone reveals the depth of their ignorance. In drug and alcohol rehab programs around Aus, they have components which deal with lifestyle and diet. Medically induced addicts, rarely need help in diet and lifestyle, but voluntary addicts, do meed guidance on those.

If you had a working brain, instead of just a simple ideological program for a mind, you'd know rehab can't work if junkies return to the lifestyle and dietary regime of their addiction and the majority do. Those who want to get well, need guidance to get them away for the environment and lifestyle of their addiction.

The only prohibition of drugs, is marijuana. You can get a huge variety of opioids provided by pharmaceutical companies, just about anywhere, especially chemists online and most doctors don't hesitate to prescribe them.

Then you have analgesics and amphetamines, how do you control amphetamines, which are slowly destroying society and the majority of domestic violence, road rage and unprovoked street assaults today are being caused by amphetamines.

You don't have a clue, all you can do is push the button to the PC recorded message in your brain, of denial and PC approaches will fix it, when the facts are the opposite. You've probably never been near real junkies, or been exposed to their lifestyles, which is eminently apparent in your replies.




Ummm your aim then is to...??

Well legalise Marijuana, obviously. Um did I get THAT right..?? :roll


Hey Dax..? You should shut up about putting shit on everyone else. You are full of shit , JUST LIKE REST of US.

There is NO GOOD outcomes to demonising one lot of druggies, whilst creaming taxes of the other acceptable good junkies. You know? the pissheads, the gamblers...A guarantee for social disharmony.

One lot get to be bad citizens, but as long as they pay tax, its all good. The other, BAD junkies, only have the black market. Hey,, they couldn't pay tax on their preferred poison , even if they tried. The whole thing is skewed entirely the wrong way.

I see nothing wrong with a controlled program for people with opioid addiction. Don't see why they should be picked on now as the next wave of BAD druggies. It's fucked.
.We create them thru our policies, and deny them to our peril.

It is only a medical issue, but has become all about moralistic posturing about right and wrong.. totally erroneous and irrelevant.

Ranting on about how bad Methadone is is pointless.
Everyone who knows, knows Methadone is basically a death sentence. That is the policy.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby Dax » 06 Oct 2018, 10:42

Makes me laugh at how indoctrinated you all are into dumb stupidity and have no idea what legalising the free use of opioids and amphetamines will do to a society. But that the nature of simple clones.

As for putting shit on others, just look in the mirror at the shit you put on anyone coming here who has a different view and approach to life, other than the PC rote indoctrination you all suffer from. Since I've been here there have been a number join the forum, only to be put down almost instantly, with racist elitism, bigoted and insulating remarks. So you always end up with the same abusers and denialist, if you call that a successful forum, good for you. I'm just having fun whilst recovering and as the screws and wires come out of my hand Monday, will be off again to watch the decline of the passing parade, of the deluded hurrying to their self inflicted demise.

Legalise marijuana, why not, as long as you have measures to make people responsible for their actions when on drugs and that should go for all drugs, especially addictive drugs. Forget about rehab, forget about the cost to society, forget about the economic strain on the health and welfare system, which should be only used for those who are really sick and not self induced idiocy, lifestyle illness and disease. None of that is important in your eyes, only deranged PC outcomes matter and that's clearly obvious in all your posts.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby johnsmith » 06 Oct 2018, 20:09

blah blah blah ... nothing ever changes with the resident nutter

dax is like our version of bobby on ozpol. The only difference is that dax has a larger vocabulary.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby pinkeye » 06 Oct 2018, 21:19

actually I don't think that is fair on Dax. He obviously believes passionately in what he posts.

Dax wrote:Makes me laugh at how indoctrinated you all are into dumb stupidity and have no idea what legalising the free use of opioids and amphetamines will do to a society. But that the nature of simple clones.


Well , you see Dax, this legalisation will come with safeguards. I mean, what a perfect paper-shuffler scenario to replace the jobs lost through Police being assigned to CRIME. Its a win/win.
No crime, no need for police ,who can then pursue real criminal issues.

Of course, then, that massive fund of BILLIONS and BILLIONS of $$ could be put to positive effect.!!

Just imagine it... :b :b :clap

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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby johnsmith » 06 Oct 2018, 21:33

pinkeye wrote:He obviously believes passionately in what he posts.

so he's a passionate nutter

no matter what the topic or subject, everyone and anyone who disagrees with him is as far as he's concerned either an ideologue, or a religious nutter

he has himself become an ideologue as he can't fathom the idea that people can disagree with him because he is wrong.
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Re: Legalise It!.

Postby pinkeye » 06 Oct 2018, 22:27

well you know? there is nothing more passionate than the converted. :roll :bgrin

perhaps he can be convinced his jaundiced view of things is contrary to right thinking folk, and he'll come over. :bgrin :bgrin :bgrin
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