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Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 25 Jul 2018, 18:10

Dutton says Australia won't 'surrender our sovereignty' by signing UN migration deal
Minister takes umbrage with parts of global agreement which insist migration detention should only be used as a last resort

Australia will not sign a United Nations migration agreement it helped negotiate “in its current form”, Peter Dutton has declared, insisting it is a matter of sovereignty.

Human rights activists have condemned the decision not to become a signatory of global guidelines for dealing with migration as an attempt to avoid further inspection of Australia’s policies.

Confirming the contents of an article which appeared in the Australian earlier this week, the home affairs minister told Sydney radio 2GB that Australia would not sign the UN global compact for migration, which aims to address migration issues in a “safe, orderly and regular” way, if it stayed in its present incarnation.

Australia has taken umbrage at parts of the final draft, which insist “migration detention” should only be used “as a measure of last resort and work towards alternatives”.

The final draft also includes a commitment to “review and revise relevant legislation, policies and practices related to immigration detention to ensure that migrants are not detained arbitrarily, that decisions to detain are based on law, are proportionate, have a legitimate purpose, and are taken on an individual basis, in full compliance with due process and procedural safeguards, and that immigration detention is not promoted as a deterrent or used as a form of cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment to migrants, in accordance with international human rights law”.

Dutton told Alan Jones that while Australia was happy to negotiate “in good faith”, “we’re not going to sign any document that’s not in our national interest and it’s not in our national interest to sign our border protection policy over to the UN”.

“We’re not going to sign a deal that sacrifices anything in terms of our border protection policies,” he said.

“We’ve fought hard for them,” he said, adding Australia would not sign at all if it was deemed by the government to be “not in our national interests”.

“We’re not going to surrender our sovereignty – I’m not going to allow unelected bodies dictate to us, to the Australian people.”

The director of legal advocacy at the Human Rights Law Centre, Daniel Webb, criticised the decision as an attempt to avoid oversight.

“Our government has detained 120 children in an island prison for five years. Twelve people have died. Children as young as 10 are trying to kill themselves,” he said.

“It’s no wonder our government is trying to shirk scrutiny.”

The United States left negotiations late last year, while last week, Hungary became the second UN member state to withdraw, with its prime minister, Viktor Orbán, who was elected on an anti-immigration platform, pulling his nation from the deal.

Labor has stayed relatively quiet on the issue, with immigration becoming the latest flashpoint in the super Saturday byelection campaigns, an issue which will continue to dominate the political agenda, as the nation heads to a general election in less than a year.

Earlier this month, Dutton contradicted Scott Morrison’s claim that lower immigration levels would cost the budget, after it was revealed just under 162,420 people had permanently migrated to Australia in the last financial year, a drop from the 183,608 people who followed the same path the year before.

Morrison had warned that following Tony Abbott’s proposal to cut migration numbers by 80,000 people would cost the Australian economy between $4bn and $5bn over four years, but Dutton argued there was an economic argument to make for cutting migration numbers.

“It’s [the impact of lower migration numbers] a positive one, because if we’re bringing more productive people in, then there’s more economic benefit for our country and there’s also greater societal benefit as well.”

On Tuesday, Dutton’s office announced 600 people smugglers had been arrested since Operation Sovereign Borders was initiated under the Abbott government in 2013, with 33 boats turned back and 70 people-smuggling operations interrupted.

Dutton released the information in an attempt to bolster his argument that Labor, under pressure from a push from its left factions, was seeking to dump the government’s policy and “restart the boats”.

In response, Bill Shorten said “the people smugglers will not get back into business regardless of who is the government of Australia”, while accusing Dutton of attempting to provoke people-smuggling operations into action.

“I think the government is trying to goad the people smugglers and goad the boats,” Shorten said.

“You almost get a sense they miss them. That’s the only issue they can talk about in the byelections.”


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/dutton-says-australia-wont-surrender-our-sovereignty-by-signing-un-migration-deal
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jul 2018, 19:08

Detention as a last resort? Mutton is happiest when he's treating people like crap, for him Gulags are the first resort, not last.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby pinkeye » 25 Jul 2018, 23:11

par for the course I'm afraid.

Why aren't we having a full Federal Election, instead of these by-elections.?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Panther » 26 Jul 2018, 11:47

May God Bless Peter Dutton......send 'em swimmin' to friendlier shores I say! Image

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“we’re not going to sign any document that’s not in our national interest and it’s not in our national interest to sign our border protection policy over to the UN”.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby johnsmith » 26 Jul 2018, 13:18

Panther wrote:May God Bless Peter Dutton......send 'em swimmin' to friendlier shores I say!


I agree, send dutton to friendlier shores, preferably one where cannibalism is rife.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 26 Jul 2018, 13:29

johnsmith wrote:
Panther wrote:May God Bless Peter Dutton......send 'em swimmin' to friendlier shores I say!


I agree, send dutton to friendlier shores, preferably one where cannibalism is rife.


Why wish that on the poor cannibals? Can you imagine how unpalatable he'd be?

Anyway, i don't think it would qualify as cannibalism. It's not like he's human or anything.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 26 Jul 2018, 16:04

I'd prefer no sign than sign and flout as we are currently doing with the UNHCR Convention on asylum seekers/refugees.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 26 Jul 2018, 17:00

Aussie wrote:I'd prefer no sign than sign and flout as we are currently doing with the UNHCR Convention on asylum seekers/refugees.


Agreed. It's not quite as unbelievably embarrassing that way.

Still bloody awful ... but it's something.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby pinkeye » 26 Jul 2018, 23:06

Aussie wrote:I'd prefer no sign than sign and flout as we are currently doing with the UNHCR Convention on asylum seekers/refugees.


Well essentially I agree.. also.
BUT only because it would just constitute further lies and hypocrisy. We are pretty much a rogue state IMHO. :sad
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 15:00

Australia is a Sovereign Nation, & as such has the right to allow or disallow anyone, for any reason, that it wishes.

I am ardently against "Open Borders" where trespassers somehow feel they have a right to just enter the Country at will, without the permission of the Australian People......& don't even bother with the jackass excuse that that's how we got here.....Until the white man came to this land from the 1700's onward, Australia was uncivilized. Australia is the property of ALL the Australian People, & no people have any greater claim to the land than do today's Australians......ALL of us. We ALL have a equal claim to the Australia we live in & we own..........period.

Dutton is 100% correct!
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 01 Aug 2018, 15:07

We ALL have a equal claim to the Australia we live in & we own..........period.


Notionally yes....ultimately yes through votes....but until that happens the politicians own it.

You have two PMs at OzPol. Cheers.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 15:14

Aussie wrote:
We ALL have a equal claim to the Australia we live in & we own..........period.


Notionally yes....ultimately yes through votes....but until that happens the politicians own it.

You have two PMs at OzPol. Cheers.


The politicians wouldn't last a week outside of hiding if the people ever decided to press the issue............& I predict that that time will someday come to pass. Image

On the PM note......the answer is YES :beer
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 01 Aug 2018, 15:16

DreamRyderX wrote:Australia is a Sovereign Nation, & as such has the right to allow or disallow anyone, for any reason, that it wishes.

I am ardently against "Open Borders" where trespassers somehow feel they have a right to just enter the Country at will, without the permission of the Australian People......& don't even bother with the jackass excuse that that's how we got here.....Until the white man came to this land from the 1700's onward, Australia was uncivilized. Australia is the property of ALL the Australian People, & no people have any greater claim to the land than do today's Australians......ALL of us. We ALL have a equal claim to the Australia we live in & we own..........period.

Dutton is 100% correct!



Nobody has argued for open borders. Try not to get hysterical. It is highly desirous of certain folk that people become hysterical about this.

It's seriously okay. Fuck all people come by boat and those that do deserve to be treated with dignity and humanity, yes?

You know, just being decent human beings?

Do you have a problem with that?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 01 Aug 2018, 15:17

May i ask who you are on Ozpol, Ryder?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 15:30

mothra wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:Australia is a Sovereign Nation, & as such has the right to allow or disallow anyone, for any reason, that it wishes.

I am ardently against "Open Borders" where trespassers somehow feel they have a right to just enter the Country at will, without the permission of the Australian People......& don't even bother with the jackass excuse that that's how we got here.....Until the white man came to this land from the 1700's onward, Australia was uncivilized. Australia is the property of ALL the Australian People, & no people have any greater claim to the land than do today's Australians......ALL of us. We ALL have a equal claim to the Australia we live in & we own..........period.

Dutton is 100% correct!



Nobody has argued for open borders. Try not to get hysterical. It is highly desirous of certain folk that people become hysterical about this.

It's seriously okay. Fuck all people come by boat and those that do deserve to be treated with dignity and humanity, yes?

You know, just being decent human beings?

Do you have a problem with that?


You're the one who sounds hysterical......settle petal, life's to short to pass on from a stroke. Image

Back to "Boat People" being you brought them up.....If anyone wants entry into Australia, I suggest they apply for permission before coming, & wait for an approval before embarking.

BTW........The UN doesn't have a say over Australian Sovereignty, the Australian People do. Image
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby mothra » 01 Aug 2018, 15:35

Tough question, huh?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 01 Aug 2018, 15:43

The UN doesn't have a say over Australian Sovereignty,


That's correct...but given Australia is a signatory to the relevant UN Convention, the UN does have an interest in ensuring Australia complies with the terms of the UN Convention. Alternatively, Dutton has the balls to repudiate that signature, but he'll never do that as it will cost us international 'face' and bring accusations of 'shame on you Australia.'
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 15:54

Aussie wrote:
The UN doesn't have a say over Australian Sovereignty,


That's correct...but given Australia is a signatory to the relevant UN Convention, the UN does have an interest in ensuring Australia complies with the terms of the UN Convention. Alternatively, Dutton has the balls to repudiate that signature, but he'll never do that as it will cost us international 'face' and bring accusations of 'shame on you Australia.'


A signatory yes, to an agreement that has seen it's day......Australia's Right of Sovereignty overrides any & all claims of obligation that would reduce her Right to Complete National Sovereignty.......Leave "Saving Face" to the Orientals......Australia doesn't do "guilt"....
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 01 Aug 2018, 16:11

Does it honour its signature? Is its written word its bond? Or is that not worth the ink used to sign up?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 17:08

Aussie wrote:Does it honour its signature? Is its written word its bond? Or is that not worth the ink used to sign up?


When the alternative is loss of our National Sovereignty, when our National Sovereignty is in the balance, we have an obligation to Australia first & foremost, not to a piece of worthless paper.....& definitely not to the UN........period

Where do your loyalties lie? With Australia, yes?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

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DreamRyderX wrote:
Aussie wrote:Does it honour its signature? Is its written word its bond? Or is that not worth the ink used to sign up?


When the alternative is loss of our National Sovereignty, when our National Sovereignty is in the balance, we have an obligation to Australia first & foremost, not to a piece of worthless paper.....& definitely not to the UN........period

Where do your loyalties lie? With Australia, yes?


Then we do the right and honourable thing and act with some integrity. We repudiate our signatory to that UN Convention. We do that, and as I have said many times before (surprised you have not seen it) you will never see me raise that UN Convention again.
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 17:42

Aussie wrote:
DreamRyderX wrote:
Aussie wrote:Does it honour its signature? Is its written word its bond? Or is that not worth the ink used to sign up?


When the alternative is loss of our National Sovereignty, when our National Sovereignty is in the balance, we have an obligation to Australia first & foremost, not to a piece of worthless paper.....& definitely not to the UN........period

Where do your loyalties lie? With Australia, yes?


Then we do the right and honourable thing and act with some integrity. We repudiate our signatory to that UN Convention. We do that, and as I have said many times before (surprised you have not seen it) you will never see me raise that UN Convention again.


There's no formality to satisfy, just simply say that we are no longer abiding by that particular treaty.......done deal.....done & dusted. It's the right & honorable thing in behalf of fellow Australians Country-wide......Australia First & Foremost!!!!!

The UN can pound sand up it's ass if it can't get it's collective heads around it!
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 01 Aug 2018, 17:44

just simply say that we are no longer abiding by that particular treaty

Yes...so why does Dutton not do exactly that?

Did you forget to answer my PMs at OzPol, or are you deliberately not going to respond. :?
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby DreamRyderX » 01 Aug 2018, 17:50

Aussie wrote:
just simply say that we are no longer abiding by that particular treaty

Yes...so why does Dutton not do exactly that?

Did you forget to answer my PMs at OzPol, or are you deliberately not going to respond. :?


He did......You just refuse.......simply refuse to comply..........it's called Nullification. It has the identical same effect. Image

I responded in the post where you advised me....the answer was "Yes"
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Re: Dutton won't sign UN migration deal

Postby Aussie » 01 Aug 2018, 18:01

He did......You just refuse.......simply refuse to comply..........it's called Nullification.


Never heard of that term in any legal sense. Got any links?

Can you please answer those two PMs I sent at OzPol...via PM of course at OzPol, because I have follow up information.
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