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The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 15 Jun 2018, 16:04

The story behind the strange Trump mural inside a children’s immigration detention center
This one piece of art almost perfectly sums up America today.

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On Wednesday, MSNBC reporter Jacob Soboroff joined a group of reporters on a guided tour of a government facility in Brownsville, TX, where nearly 1,500 boys between the ages of 10 and 17 are currently being detained, having been separated from their parents as they await adjudication for entering the United States illegally.

Among the many details Soboroff provided in MSNBC’s report on the facility — the boys sleep five-to-a-room in an ersatz dormitory environment; they receive two hours of time outside each day — was the picture of a mural, painted on the wall near the facility’s cafeteria, bearing President Donald Trump’s visage and a quote attributed to him.

The odd quote, affixed to the mural in English and Spanish, reads: “Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.”

It is, perhaps, an unsettling sentiment to see on the walls of a detention center for children. It’s worth noting, however, that similar murals of other presidents adorn the facility’s walls. As Soboroff reported, a mural of President Barack Obama can be found elsewhere, with a quote reading, “We are and always will be a nation of immigrants. We were strangers once, too.”

Nevertheless, it’s possible to attribute too much sinister meaning to this — and, indeed, a cursory trawl through the Twitter commentariat will reveal that many are doing just that. Rather than paint a dire picture, however, this Trump mural should be viewed as the perfect cultural artifact of our time.

First, there is the provenance of the quote. Trump’s meditation on battles lost and wars won is not from some shopworn stump speech or presidential oration. Trump is not referring to an actual war. In fact, the line predates his interest in politics. Surprisingly enough, those words can be found at the start of the 10th chapter of The Art of the Deal, the president’s ur-text on all things related to his alleged business savvy.

The first thing worth remembering about The Art of the Deal, is that the book was ghostwritten by Tony Schwartz. It may be an understatement, in fact, to call the book ghostwritten: Schwartz has, at times, suggested that the whole tome was his invention, cobbled together out of a series of confusing and recursive conversations with the then-real estate mogul, along with many hours spent observing Trump in his element. As the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer reported in July of 2016, Schwartz noticed that in the years since the book’s publication, Trump had taken to speaking of the book as if he’d authored it on his own.

“If he could lie about that on Day One,” Schwartz told Mayer, “he is likely to lie about anything.” (Like, say, being visited by the parents of children killed-in-action during the Korean War.)

The salient point, however, is this: there is a non-zero chance that Trump is not the actual source of this line from The Art of the Deal. (Also: there is a non-zero chance that Trump has never read the 10th chapter of this book.) That mural, perhaps, should bear Tony Schwartz’s face.

Of course, the story of the mural gets even more surreal from there. Chapter 10 of The Art of the Deal is the story of the lessons Trump supposedly learned from his attempt to turn an apartment building at 100 Central Park South in New York City into a luxe high-rise full of high-priced condominiums. This is the “battle” to which the quote refers. Naturally, the backstory of Trump’s misadventures at 100 Central Park South gives the lie to the notion that he emerged from the effort with anything resembling bragging rights.

As the New York Times’ Jonathan Mahler reported in April of 2016, Trump’s plans for the building went awry when he ended up in a classic “New York brawl with a group of tenants fighting to save their homes and clinging with white knuckles to some of the city’s legendary rent deals,” that “played out for years in courtrooms and the New York news media.”

Trump, who purchased the property in 1981, inherited a building full of tenants living in rent-controlled apartments with monthly terms that were well below market. For Trump to realize his dream of a stylish condo with Central Park views, he had to shift the existing tenants elsewhere. But rather than offer the existing residents equitable terms to vacate the premises, he instead resorted to the sort of cartoon villainy that would make Snidely Whiplash blush. Per Mahler:

Leaks went unfixed, tenants alleged, and broken appliances went unrepaired. Aluminum foil was placed over windows in empty apartments, giving the building a run-down appearance. (Mr. Trump defended the action as standard procedure for vacant units.)

More dramatic were the eviction notices from Mr. Trump’s lawyers, on a variety of grounds. One tenant was told that he had not paid his rent on time. (He presented a canceled check in court to prove that he had.)

Others who had done construction on their apartments, with the approval of prior landlords, were told that they had 10 days to restore them to their original conditions.

As Trump was also waging this battle in the press, he made personal attacks on the residents themselves, depicting them as whinging plutocrats “exploiting an undeserved government subsidy,” who made regular use of a free phone in the lobby of the building to “call their friends in Gstaad and St. Moritz.” In truth, the residents were a mix of well-to-do strivers and pensioners getting by — and the phone they were allegedly using to converse with their fancy European pals was remembered by those that lived there as a mere pay phone.

At one point, Trump lobbied New York City officials to allow the homeless to move into the building’s vacant units, as a way of prodding his tenants out the door. City officials balked at the notion that housing Manhattan’s neediest in a building the owner intended to raze was a good idea.

After a protracted five year fight, Trump scuttled his plans. And while he did eventually get his condo conversion, the existing renters were permitted to stay on in their apartments. According to the New York Times, many live there to this day — along with Trump’s son Eric.

As Mahler reports, the two sides differ on who won the battle. Madelyn Rubinstein, a current tenant who lived through the ordeal, told the Times, “Oh, absolutely, we won.” Trump, who tends to remember his most historic business botches with a fondness they don’t deserve, recalls things differently:

“A great deal,” he said, without hesitation, when describing 100 Central Park South — now known as Trump Parc East — during a phone interview last week. “It was a long battle, but it was a successful battle. As usual, I came out on top.”

In the end, we might never find within ourselves the capacity to care about this real estate deal. But all of this bizarre backstory truly enables a full appreciation of this mural: It is a flourish of delusional bravado, written by a ghost writer, about a failed condominium deal, on the wall of a children’s detention center.


https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-mural-backstory-a74ffd2e12d2/
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

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mothra wrote: nearly 1,500 boys between the ages of 10 and 17 are currently being detained, having been separated from their parents



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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 15 Jun 2018, 16:17

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote: nearly 1,500 boys between the ages of 10 and 17 are currently being detained, having been separated from their parents



:OMG :OMG :OMG


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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 15 Jun 2018, 16:27

The Handmaiden’s Tale!
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 15 Jun 2018, 16:29

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote: nearly 1,500 boys between the ages of 10 and 17 are currently being detained, having been separated from their parents



And they look like this:

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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 16 Jun 2018, 11:33

And what do those responsible have to say to justify themselves?


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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 16 Jun 2018, 17:08

Trump Has Quietly Cut Legal Aid for Migrant Kids Separated from Parents
[url]A program that provides help to unaccompanied minors was slashed just as the government has instituted policies that split kids from parents.[/url]

When the Trump administration announced this month it would criminally prosecute everyone who crossed the border illegally, which meant jailing immigrant parents and separating them from their children, it effectively manufactured a whole new group of unaccompanied minors who now must navigate the complicated US immigration system by themselves. In less than two weeks, 658 kids were divided from their mothers and fathers—and the policy is still ramping up.

Meanwhile, the government has just quietly shut off a legal lifeline for this very population, putting them at an even higher risk of deportation. The Office of Refugee Resettlement, a federal program that for over a decade has funded organizations representing unaccompanied minors in immigration court while those children live with adult relatives or guardians, told the groups to stop taking new cases just days after the family separation policy began, multiple sources from nonprofit groups funded by ORR told me.

“The government is creating unaccompanied kids, then releasing them to someone other than parents, and then further restricting their ability to access counsel,” said Manoj Govindaiah, director of family detention services for Texas’s Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES), which has represented kids through the ORR funds. “So they’re almost ensuring people cannot successfully navigate the immigration court process.”

RAICES, which typically represents about 300 unaccompanied minors a year in the Dallas-Fort Worth area thanks to ORR funding, had just screened a new round of applicants when they received the announcement earlier this month to accept no further cases, staff attorney Jennifer de Haro told me.

“We had to call all the families back and tell them we couldn’t provide them free services anymore,” she said.

At least 1,000 children each year—a small yet significant portion of the tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors—have received representation through ORR funding, which is administered through the nonprofit Vera Institute to about a dozen organizations nationwide, immigration sources told me. ORR gave no reason for its sudden end to this program, nor did its spokesperson return multiple requests for comment.

Slashing legal services while throwing more youths into the immigration system will inevitably lead to these vulnerable kids being deported, advocates told me. Immigrants have no right to counsel in these proceedings, and children formerly tied to their parents’ cases will now generally have their own cases. That's because proceedings must go forward where each individual is located, and a parent could be detained in a different state from the shelter or sponsor of their child. Additionally, any parent in detention is put on a detained docket, which cannot include non-detained family members.

This means far more kids will be representing themselves in immigration court—and according to recent data compiled by the online tool TRAC, unrepresented children are far more likely to lose their cases than those who have lawyers. Not only is it nearly impossible for the kids to fully understand how to present their cases, but many of the children simply are too nervous to appear in court without a lawyer—and if they miss just one hearing, a judge can order them deported, de Haro explained.

“A lot of children are going to be too afraid to go to court and are not going to understand their legal rights,” she said.


Past ORR grants have helped de Haro reverse deportations for severely traumatized children who avoided court thinking they’d show up and immediately be sent back to their home countries. Two sisters from Guatemala, who were 12 and 15 years old when they arrived in the US in 2015, had been kidnapped, then watched by armed guards and subject to forced labor until the girls’ parents sold all their belongings to pay their ransom. The family had nothing left for legal fees so the girls skipped their first hearing, but then received a deportation order. With ORR funds, De Haro was able to reopen the girls’ case, which remains pending.

“They felt more at ease going to court, knowing that their removal order wouldn’t happen at the first appearance,” said de Haro, who also recently won permanent residency for two brothers who’d been initially ordered deported.

“The saddest part is, this all came when there was all this media attention on the lost children.”
–Camila Alvarez

But now RAICES and other organizations providing free legal services for children are scrambling to find other sources of funding—and as they represent fewer youths, some advocates worry even more children could get lost in the system.

Unaccompanied minors have already been going missing at a stunning rate: Last month the Department of Health and Human Services disclosed that ORR had lost track of roughly 1,500 unaccompanied minors after they had been placed with adult sponsors. But if these children had attorneys, they likely would not have been lost, advocates told me.

“The saddest part is, this all came when there was all this media attention on the lost children,” said Camila Alvarez, managing attorney of the immigrant advocacy organization CARECEN’s unaccompanied minor legal representation project. “And representation of the children definitely helps in reducing the children who are missing because they don't have attorneys and are afraid to go to court.”

In Los Angeles, CARECEN has used ORR funds to represent at least 100 unaccompanied kids annually, and Alvarez said her organization is now scrambling to find other funding sources to continue their work.

“It’s definitely impacting our entire program,” she said. “We’ve been having a lot of conversations about shifting things, about how we are going to proceed with the representation.”

Children helped by organizations like CARECEN and RAICES are the lucky ones: The vast majority of unaccompanied minors do not have legal representation, and that proportion will almost certainly increase thanks to the uptick in family separations. Dana Marks, the president of the National Immigration Judges Union, said the surge of kids’ cases without lawyers will throw a wrench in the backlogged court system by “adding a whole level of complexity unnecessarily to cases.”

On top of that, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has just made it more difficult to adjudicate kids’ cases by ordering immigration judges to end a common practice, Marks told me. In the past, judges have frequently issued administrative closures (temporary holds) on unaccompanied minors’ cases while trying to determine the legal status of the children’s family members. That could have been used even more with children separated from their parents, as judges await decisions on the parents’ cases—but Sessions this month put an end to the it, pushing judges to potentially issue rulings prematurely.

“We’ve lost a valuable tool in dealing with children’s cases,” Marks told me.

Department of Justice spokesman Devin O’Malley responded that Sessions ended administrative closures as a way to stop suspending cases indefinitely, thereby shielding undocumented immigrants from deportation.

“Starting in 2012, immigration judges began increasingly to rely on administrative closures, which suspended cases indefinitely rather than actually rendering a final decision,” he said in an emailed statement. “This process—where immigration court cases were put ‘out of sight, out of mind’—effectively resulted in illegal aliens remaining indefinitely in the United States without any formal legal status.”

Meanwhile, Marks said the administration’s recent changes to immigration policy and the courts could have effects beyond what is even currently comprehensible.

“We all feel like it’s a seismic shift,” she said, “but it will take months if not years before we understand the true impact of what’s occurred.”


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3a798/trump-has-quietly-cut-legal-aid-for-migrant-kids-separated-from-parents
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2018, 10:38

The immigration hardliners who forced through the separation of kids from parents:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 17 Jun 2018, 18:23

HBS Guy wrote:The immigration hardliners who forced through the separation of kids from parents:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html



From your link. I think this pretty much says it all, yeah?


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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2018, 19:18

About those horrible people misquoting the bible.

Jesus said wtte “suffer the little children to come to me” he definitely did NOT say “Make the little cunts suffer by being separated from their parents.”
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby johnsmith » 17 Jun 2018, 19:51

HBS Guy wrote:About those horrible people misquoting the bible.

Jesus said wtte “suffer the little children to come to me” he definitely did NOT say “Make the little cunts suffer by being separated from their parents.”


In my experience, bible bashers are the worst kind of people.
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2018, 20:12

johnsmith wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:About those horrible people misquoting the bible.

Jesus said wtte “suffer the little children to come to me” he definitely did NOT say “Make the little cunts suffer by being separated from their parents.”


In my experience, bible bashers are the worst kind of people.


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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 18 Jun 2018, 13:47

Separation at the border: children wait in cages at south Texas warehouse

Inside an old warehouse in south Texas, hundreds of children wait away from their parents in a series of cages created by metal fencing.

One cage had 20 children inside. Scattered about are bottles of water, bags of chips and large foil sheets intended to serve as blankets.

One teenager told an advocate who visited she was helping care for a young child she didn’t know because the child’s aunt was somewhere else in the facility. She said she had to show others in her cell how to change the girl’s diaper.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/17/separation-border-children-cages-south-texas-warehouse-holding-facility?CMP=soc_567
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby johnsmith » 18 Jun 2018, 16:07

there's more than a few rethuglicans I'd like to lock in a cage
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 19 Jun 2018, 10:21

Ann Coulter calls children separated from families at border "child actors" and begs Trump: "Don't fall for the actor children"

Conservative author Ann Coulter claimed children being separated from their parents at the border by the Trump administration’s new “zero tolerance” policy on unauthorized immigration are faking their emotional trauma. According to news reports, the children can suffer from “toxic stress” caused by the separation.

Coulter appeared on the June 17 edition of Fox News’ The Next Revolution and attempted to directly address President Donald Trump, who routinely watches Fox News. She stated: “These child actors weeping and crying on all the other networks 24/7 right now -- do not fall for it, Mr. President. I get very nervous about the president getting his news from TV.” Coulter added: “Don’t fall for the actor children.”

Coulter’s language echoes that of fringe and conspiracy theorist media figures like Alex Jones who routinely accuse school shooting survivors of being “crisis actors.”


https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/06/18/ann-coulter-calls-children-separated-families-border-child-actors-and-begs-trump-dont-fall-actor/220465
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Jun 2018, 10:26

Disgusting, horrible people.
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 19 Jun 2018, 10:29

HBS Guy wrote:Disgusting, horrible people.


It quite literally beggars belief doesn't it.

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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Jun 2018, 10:59

Absolutely.
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby greggerypeccary » 19 Jun 2018, 11:19

Ann Coulter is a vile creature.
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 19 Jun 2018, 11:37

greggerypeccary wrote:Ann Coulter is a vile creature.


Henry has the answer:

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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby greggerypeccary » 19 Jun 2018, 12:23

mothra wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:Ann Coulter is a vile creature.


Henry has the answer:



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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

Postby mothra » 19 Jun 2018, 19:39

To make matters worse, it seems like Donald Trump might actually have gotten the idea for this policy from us. During a phone call with Trump shortly after his inauguration, Malcolm Turnbull explained Australia’s policy of locking up asylum seekers, to which Trump responded: “that is a good idea. We should do that too.”


Trump’s Appalling New Border Policy Basically Came From Australia, And We Should Be Ashamed
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Re: The Trump mural and the detained children

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that's actually quiet frightening.
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