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Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 11:56
by mothra
Nazi swastika flag flown on Australian Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

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A leaked photo shows an Australian Army vehicle flying the Nazi swastika flag while on operation in Afghanistan.

The photo, obtained exclusively by the ABC, was taken in August 2007.

The photograph shows the large swastika emblem hoisted over an Australian military vehicle.

Two separate Defence sources have identified a particular soldier as the individual who took the flag to Afghanistan.

The ABC has seen a second photograph of the flag, and it is understood that further images of the flag in Afghanistan have also been circulated among Australian soldiers.

One Defence source who was aware of the flag being flown in Afghanistan in 2007 said it was a "twisted joke", rather than evidence or an expression of genuine neo-Nazism.

The source claimed the flag was up for a "prolonged period".

Defence says flag was only up 'briefly'

In response to questions from the ABC, a Defence spokesperson said: "Defence and the ADF reject as abhorrent everything this flag represents. Neither the flag nor its use are in line with Defence values.

"The flag was briefly raised above an Australian Army vehicle in Afghanistan in 2007.

"The commander took immediate action to have the offensive flag taken down.

"It is totally inappropriate for any ADF vehicle or company to have a flag of this nature.

"The personnel involved were immediately cautioned at the time and subsequently received further counselling.

"Additionally, steps were taken to reinforce education and training for all personnel who witnessed the flag."

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull slammed the conduct of the soldiers who raised the flag, saying it was "completely and utterly unacceptable".

"It was wrong, it was absolutely wrong and the commanders took action at the time," Mr Turnbull said.

Concerns about culture

The photograph has emerged as the actions of Australia's special forces in Afghanistan come under unprecedented scrutiny.

The ABC recently published claims in relation to the alleged

The Darwan revelations came after details of an explosive internal report commissioned by Defence were leaked.

The report, commissioned in 2016 and based on confidential interviews with special forces soldiers, said some of those interviewed felt that the cultural problems had developed because of weak leadership on the part of some special operations commanders who had "disregarded the telltale signs of dysfunction".

Chief of Army Angus Campbell earlier this year appeared to take steps toward culture change, ordering a ban on soldiers' use of "death-style" imagery, such as Spartan warriors, the grim reaper, skull and crossbones and the "Punisher" vigilante character.

Lieutenant General Campbell said use of such symbols is "always ill-considered and implicitly encourages the inculcation of an arrogant hubris and general disregard for the most serious responsibility of our profession: the legitimate and discriminate taking of life".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-14/photo-shows-nazi-flag-flown-over-australian-army-vehicle/9859618

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 12:00
by johnsmith
curious to see how grappler defends this.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 12:32
by greggerypeccary
johnsmith wrote:curious to see how grappler defends this.


With one word: "photoshopped".

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 12:43
by johnsmith
greggerypeccary wrote:
johnsmith wrote:curious to see how grappler defends this.


With one word: "photoshopped".


except defence department has admitted it is true and they have even identified the soldier responsible

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 13:04
by greggerypeccary
johnsmith wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
johnsmith wrote:curious to see how grappler defends this.


With one word: "photoshopped".


except defence department has admitted it is true and they have even identified the soldier responsible


Yep.

Nobody's taken the bait yet in OzPol.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 14:24
by HBS Guy
BigOle but that is next to no response.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 14:46
by greggerypeccary
HBS Guy wrote:BigOle but that is next to no response.


Hammer's going off his nana :bgrin

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 15:12
by mothra
greggerypeccary wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:BigOle but that is next to no response.


Hammer's going off his nana :bgrin


Ask him how he'd feel if the flew the gay pride or Aboriginal flags.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 15:13
by johnsmith
mothra wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:BigOle but that is next to no response.


Hammer's going off his nana :bgrin


Ask him how he'd feel if the flew the gay pride or Aboriginal flags.


then ask him why is he defending the use of the swastika

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 15:20
by mothra
johnsmith wrote:
then ask him why is he defending the use of the swastika


According to Bigol, flying the swastika simply makes one "a bit of a dill". He must have been in a different defence force to the one Grap was in where they performed advanced psychological assessments on recruits.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 16:00
by MilesAway
greggerypeccary wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
johnsmith wrote:curious to see how grappler defends this.


With one word: "photoshopped".


except defence department has admitted it is true and they have even identified the soldier responsible


Yep.

Nobody's taken the bait yet in OzPol.

Greg is a fisher of men :rofl

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 16:03
by MilesAway
mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
then ask him why is he defending the use of the swastika


According to Bigol, flying the swastika simply makes one "a bit of a dill". He must have been in a different defence force to the one Grap was in where they performed advanced psychological assessments on recruits.

Go diving to 40m and all your psych evaluations mean nothing AND the profession will admit it because your body poisons itself!

What about war?

...YOu dumb femo idiot!!!

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 17:18
by mothra
"Sometime they do that too, but only if they are abbos or homos. In this case I doubt he was a WWII Nazi."
- Bigol

Why would Aboriginal or gay people want to fly flags from military vehicles?

What are they trying to say?

Still, wrong fish. I wanted to see Hammer have a go at that one.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 17:42
by MilesAway
mothra wrote:"Sometime they do that too, but only if they are abbos or homos. In this case I doubt he was a WWII Nazi."
- Bigol

Why would Aboriginal or gay people want to fly flags from military vehicles?

What are they trying to say?

Still, wrong fish. I wanted to see Hammer have a go at that one.

Aren't they the same person?

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 18:28
by Auggie
When I read this I was disgusted.

The entire company should’ve been dishonourably discharged for this action, or at least demoted rank.

I can’t believe this has happened in our armed forces!

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 18:33
by greggerypeccary
CaesarAugustus wrote:When I read this I was disgusted.

The entire company should’ve been dishonourably discharged for this action, or at least demoted rank.

I can’t believe this has happened in our armed forces!


Nothing to see here folks.

Just males getting together and buggering about.

Well, that's according to Mr Hammer.

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 19:10
by Auggie
greggerypeccary wrote:
CaesarAugustus wrote:When I read this I was disgusted.

The entire company should’ve been dishonourably discharged for this action, or at least demoted rank.

I can’t believe this has happened in our armed forces!


Nothing to see here folks.

Just males getting together and buggering about.

Well, that's according to Mr Hammer.


Where are you reading Hammer's posts? I can't find them. I want to weigh in on this issue. I'm completely disgusted!

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2018, 19:18
by greggerypeccary
CaesarAugustus wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
CaesarAugustus wrote:When I read this I was disgusted.

The entire company should’ve been dishonourably discharged for this action, or at least demoted rank.

I can’t believe this has happened in our armed forces!


Nothing to see here folks.

Just males getting together and buggering about.

Well, that's according to Mr Hammer.


Where are you reading Hammer's posts? I can't find them. I want to weigh in on this issue. I'm completely disgusted!


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1528941676/32#32

Re: Swastika flown on Aust Defence vehicle in Afghanistan

PostPosted: 15 Jun 2018, 02:31
by pinkeye
It was WAR.

A more potent symbol of death and destruction would be hard to find.

I suspect the fool s who put it up thought it would have a psychological impact on their enemy.

ALL is fair in Love and WAR. Isn't that a human trait. ?