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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 13 Nov 2017, 06:32

If they're going to finance them they may as well own them outright. That private corporations will do absolutely everything possible to avoid paying anything at all back to the nation in which they are operating while simultaneously holding out their hands to government for endless corporate welfare has been demonstrated to be so normal that we should expect it to occur. Cost savings from having important infrastructure owned/managed by the private sector have been conclusively demonstrated to be an absolute furphy again and again and again.

Energy supply is not a trivial issue, it is the lifeblood of a modern country. So who is in charge of the blood supply that keeps us alive? Evidently, nobody these days. At least, nobody whose responsability it is to ensure that those whose blood it actually is don't collapse into anemia as a result of a parasite draining it all away.

East coast gas is a disaster and it's just going to keep getting bigger until those who the electorate selected to represent the interests of the nation actually do so. There are a number of approaches that could be taken, the only one that is not an option is to do nothing - guess which one Malcom will continue to select?
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 06 Dec 2017, 08:02

A new east coast gas reserve to be developed and brought online - but it seems doubtful that there will be any for Australia

And the parasite swells further.

Australia's gas production just keeps getting bigger (okay, this one hasn't actually happened yet but seems likely that it will) but there is not a drop for us.

We are the absolute whore of the planet.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Squire » 06 Dec 2017, 12:51

The only thing cheap in Australia these days is talk.

The most serious energy shortage is the shortage of energy by politicians in strategic planning of energy supply to the population.

The only gas that's not in short supply is the anus gas released in parliament house.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Dec 2017, 13:15

Not only that, the abbott phenomenon has absolutely stymied new generators being built meaning we have a fleet of mostly middleaged to old coal generators and not enough renewable energy (inc windfarms in our oceans!) to take the slack.

So when it gets hot our coal generators will get. . .failing.

Really would like to see oceanic windfarms, we have the trade winds, the furious forties etc. Huge investment—requiring stability of a bipartisan energy policy. Might as well wish for the moon.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby johnsmith » 09 Dec 2017, 14:08

Despite calls from the Prime Minister to keep the coal-powered Liddell Power Station open, AGL has announced it will close the plant and repurpose it with a commitment to clean energy.

Investments will be made in gas, renewables and battery storage as part of the NSW Generation Plan, with AGL confirming it will close the Hunter Valley station in 2022 as planned.

AGL said along with the NSW Government, it is also exploring the feasibility of a pumped hydro project in the Hunter region.

The Federal Government wanted to delay the closure of the plant for at least another five years, but AGL said a replacement electricity generation plan was far more affordable.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/liddell-coal-plant-closes/9243180
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Dec 2017, 14:23

Would you keep a Model T going as your primary mode of transport? Liddell is at end of life, clapped out, constant breakdowns and at best 50% capacity.Only a total fuckwit like turdbull would think Liddell is other than a pile of scrap iron!
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby pinkeye » 10 Dec 2017, 01:53

Too true, unfortunately.

As for gas shortages...?? rubbish.
Go and speak to the people, the farmers whose land has been raped, and whose homes are no longer liveable. People in Dalby can turn on their water taps, and light the output. You can cook on the ground in some places, because the gas is leaking out all over, and this is true. Just light it up and away you go. What gas explorers have done to farming people in western QLD is criminal. Some farmers can't sell their cattle because their meat is infused with toxins. Farmers are killing themselves, because they cannot say NO . The gas explorers can set up a gang and explore, right next to family homes. IT IS FUCKED.

SO ... if this SHORTAGE occurs???? go to Dalby. You'll get more gas than you could ever wish for. :mad :sad
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 10 Dec 2017, 07:01

Squire wrote:The only thing cheap in Australia these days is talk.

The most serious energy shortage is the shortage of energy by politicians in strategic planning of energy supply to the population.

The only gas that's not in short supply is the anus gas released in parliament house.


Completely agree with that summary.

But strategic planning is the polar opposite of our modern day incarnation of laissez-faire that we call neo-liberalism. While most other nations seem to have payed varying degrees of lip-service to the notion of unfettered capitalism - including that great bastion of capitalism, "the land of the free and home of the brave" - Australia seems almost unique in the degree of enthusiasm with which we have embraced unfettered markets. Even where giving private enterprise near-total freedom to do as they wish has led to the virtual elimination of anything that can realistically be called a market and has allowed the rise of great private oligopolies and cartels, modern-day robber barons who relentlessly and remorselessly gouge the population in things that are not discretionary - in this case, energy - but are vital.

There can be none of the strategic planning we desperately need to return to until the poisonous ideology of neo-liberalism is swept away.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 10 Dec 2017, 07:27

pinkeye wrote:Too true, unfortunately.

As for gas shortages...?? rubbish.
Go and speak to the people, the farmers whose land has been raped, and whose homes are no longer liveable. People in Dalby can turn on their water taps, and light the output. You can cook on the ground in some places, because the gas is leaking out all over, and this is true. Just light it up and away you go. What gas explorers have done to farming people in western QLD is criminal. Some farmers can't sell their cattle because their meat is infused with toxins. Farmers are killing themselves, because they cannot say NO . The gas explorers can set up a gang and explore, right next to family homes. IT IS FUCKED.

SO ... if this SHORTAGE occurs???? go to Dalby. You'll get more gas than you could ever wish for. :mad :sad


The domestic gas shortage is purely an artificial one. The volumes of gas we are now producing are unprecedented. We are producing vastly more than we require for our own domestic energy security and growth.

But we have given almost total control of the resource to a cartel who have zero interest in the fate of this country. They are simply doing exactly what they are supposed to do - doing what they can to maximise returns to their shareholders (many of whom are foreign fat cats). The outcome for those who actually own the resource - us! - is that not only does the east coast industry make no meaningful contribution to Australia's interests, it's actually inflicting harm on us through driving up the price of electricity (gas is the marginal price setter) and starving domestic industries who rely on gas of affordable input for their processes - those industries directly employ around three-quarters of a million Australians.

The root of this extrordinary appalling situation is our policy makers unswerving belief in the benefits of lassiez-faire capitalism. That giving private enterprise total freedom to do as they wish automatically leads to the best outcomes for everyone overall. Blind Freddy can see that this is 100% pure horseshit. Yet on and on down that road they drive us, seemingly immune to all evidence.

At an absolute minimum I would implement domestic reservation - gauranteed gas supply for the owners of the gas at affordable prices. Done with the stroke of a pen. As I understand it, Australia is the only net energy exporting country in the world WITHOUT a nation-wide domestic energy reservation policy. The insanity of this recalcitrance cannot be overstated. Given how the actions of a cartel are now threatening economic stability, I would probably nationalise the resource.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 24 Jan 2018, 11:30

As far as I am concerned, this counts as bald-faced treason.......

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/01/canavan-reassures-asian-households-cheap-gas/

The question posed by the blogs author...

Is Cavanan the Asian Resources Minister? The local gas price is marching higher again as we speak:

So why is he off to Asia to reassure it that its households and businesses will get more cheap gas? What about his own flock which is being mercilessly gouged by the gas cartel doing the exporting?


There could not be a more blatant example of an elected public official (and the government he is a member of) putting the interests of global capital squarely ahead of his own countrymen, those who elected him to supposedly govern in their interests and the broader interests of the nation at large.

This mob are lower than snakes, the sooner they are gone the better.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 24 Jan 2018, 12:11

A comment on the article....

Clearly he is trolling for a high paid gig in the Gas sector post politics.


I'll bet he is.

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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jan 2018, 12:28

So much of what they are doing can be considered treasonous: fucking up the NBN, the east coast gas market etc.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Squire » 24 Jan 2018, 16:13

A pipeline from Canberra should fix that.

There's no shortage of anus gas in Canberra.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby Lefty » 24 Jan 2018, 18:03

Squire wrote:A pipeline from Canberra should fix that.

There's no shortage of anus gas in Canberra.


Yeah but this mob would just export it all anyway.
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Re: Major gas shortages predicted for East Coast in 2018

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jan 2018, 20:04

Can you see the price ticker tape?

“. . .texas sweet crude $4369/565 Canberra ass gas $. . .”
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