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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 03 Nov 2017, 17:18

HBS Guy wrote:Garbage! Look at the pathetic effort she put in at the Falklands!


What? They ended up kicking the argentines out and causing a revolution in Argentina.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Nov 2017, 17:26

Yeah, finally! They had to convert merchant vessels to be aircraft carriers! Lost a lot of ships!

Nah, England’s glory days are long behind her! What is left of the French Empire is much bigger than what is left of the English Empire!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 03 Nov 2017, 18:24

HBS Guy wrote:Yeah, finally! They had to convert merchant vessels to be aircraft carriers! Lost a lot of ships!

Nah, England’s glory days are long behind her! What is left of the French Empire is much bigger than what is left of the English Empire!


No, it’s not. If you include Australia, Canada alone, the British empire is the largest country in earth.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Nov 2017, 18:55

We are not imperial possessions, except in name!

England is the poor man of Europe as we will be the poor white trash of Asia if we don’t get some gumption and become a republic and reclaim what we have lost to neocolonialism!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 03 Nov 2017, 23:06

HBS Guy wrote:We are not imperial possessions, except in name!

England is the poor man of Europe as we will be the poor white trash of Asia if we don’t get some gumption and become a republic and reclaim what we have lost to neocolonialism!


We are imperial possessions.

England will no longer be the poor white man once they leave the EU. Brexit was the best thing they ever did!

And we white trash? Yeah, right. We have the highest standard of living in Asia, the envy of all countries.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Nov 2017, 08:18

For how much longer?

We have no oil refinery

We have no car makers

We let our minerals be looted.

We run out copper internet


Poor white trashdom here we come!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 04 Nov 2017, 15:05

HBS Guy wrote:We are not imperial possessions, except in name!

England is the poor man of Europe as we will be the poor white trash of Asia if we don’t get some gumption and become a republic and reclaim what we have lost to neocolonialism!

What have 'we' lost?

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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 04 Nov 2017, 15:12

HBS Guy wrote:For how much longer?

We have no oil refinery

We have no car makers

We let our minerals be looted.

We run out copper internet


Poor white trashdom here we come!

We are a total joke of a country and copper Internet is the sign that should've been seen but alas: we are poor white trash bereft of heart for the kids we bothered to bring into this world!

What makes us more sophisticated than any other people? F'all! We are known as a nation of complete tossers for a reason!

...and they even called us the super economy from the antipodes :yellow

....were a complete embarrassment to anyone that ever gave their lives for us and we should all weep at the fact and then grow a conscience :yellow
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby BigOl64 » 05 Nov 2017, 11:37

HBS Guy wrote:Yeah, finally! They had to convert merchant vessels to be aircraft carriers! Lost a lot of ships!

Nah, England’s glory days are long behind her! What is left of the French Empire is much bigger than what is left of the English Empire!



They used a cruise liner as a troop transport, they did not convert a merchant ship into an aircraft carrier. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

And they lost one ship HMS Sheffield.


What the fuck are you lot going on about empire, no-one thinks along the lines of empire anymore, it is all about coalitions and ours is still the most powerful.

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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 13:11

The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Squire » 06 Nov 2017, 13:26

Yeah? Like each state developing its own railway system with different track widths?

May as well follow the Israelis and build a wall between each state with machine-gun towers.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 14:07

Squire wrote:Yeah? Like each state developing its own railway system with different track widths?

May as well follow the Israelis and build a wall between each state with machine-gun towers.


Who travels by train now these days?
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Lefty » 06 Nov 2017, 15:01

Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.


The NBN was a disaster because it was deliberately shot in both knees and then kerbstomped. Only in Australia (that I'm aware of) did something as fundamental as telephone moving in to replace the old telegraph system - "it's just the logical next step in communications infrastructure" according to a team of tech guys I had a conversation with - become so politicised that what could have easily been a world class system was reduced to a mess.

The current NBN debacle is an example of what happens when a conservative government opposed to progress takes office.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 15:08

Auggie wrote:
Squire wrote:Yeah? Like each state developing its own railway system with different track widths?

May as well follow the Israelis and build a wall between each state with machine-gun towers.


Who travels by train now these days?

Obviously not mr better than everyone else!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 15:09

Lefty wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.


The NBN was a disaster because it was deliberately shot in both knees and then kerbstomped. Only in Australia (that I'm aware of) did something as fundamental as telephone moving in to replace the old telegraph system - "it's just the logical next step in communications infrastructure" according to a team of tech guys I had a conversation with - become so politicised that what could have easily been a world class system was reduced to a mess.

The current NBN debacle is an example of what happens when a conservative government opposed to progress takes office.

It's not a conservative govt: it's a fascist govt!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 15:12

Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.

So no blame on Abbott or Turnbull then?

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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 15:38

MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.

So no blame on Abbott or Turnbull then?

:roll


No, I actually blame the High Court for making unconstitutional rulings for political purposes. Look at case South Australia vs. Commonwealth 1942.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 15:39

The current NBN debacle is an example of what happens when a conservative government opposed to progress takes office.

It's not a conservative govt: it's a fascist govt!


Oh, were you a Holocaust survivor? Or lived during the Nazi regime?
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 16:36

Auggie wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.

So no blame on Abbott or Turnbull then?

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No, I actually blame the High Court for making unconstitutional rulings for political purposes. Look at case South Australia vs. Commonwealth 1942.

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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 17:12

MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.

So no blame on Abbott or Turnbull then?

:roll


No, I actually blame the High Court for making unconstitutional rulings for political purposes. Look at case South Australia vs. Commonwealth 1942.

:WTF


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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Nov 2017, 17:14

What was the case about, how did the HC decision change things? Fuck, I never heard about it!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Lefty » 06 Nov 2017, 17:38

MilesAway wrote:
Lefty wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.


The NBN was a disaster because it was deliberately shot in both knees and then kerbstomped. Only in Australia (that I'm aware of) did something as fundamental as telephone moving in to replace the old telegraph system - "it's just the logical next step in communications infrastructure" according to a team of tech guys I had a conversation with - become so politicised that what could have easily been a world class system was reduced to a mess.

The current NBN debacle is an example of what happens when a conservative government opposed to progress takes office.

It's not a conservative govt: it's a fascist govt!


Probably a fair enough point - they are monumentally stupid wreckers at the very least! I mean FFS, who with half a brain would set out to deliberately sabotage such basic progress? It was never even a radical idea. It's no wonder they keep falling over themselves to gut this country of any truly productive and innovative capacity.
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 17:41

Auggie wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.

So no blame on Abbott or Turnbull then?

:roll


No, I actually blame the High Court for making unconstitutional rulings for political purposes. Look at case South Australia vs. Commonwealth 1942.

:WTF


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You're a tripper buddy!
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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby MilesAway » 06 Nov 2017, 17:45

Lefty wrote:
MilesAway wrote:
Lefty wrote:
Auggie wrote:The problem with Australia is that we've become increasingly centralized, relying on Canberra to solve all our problems. We need to rethink the relationship between the States and the Commonwealth, and allow each State more autonomy and control. The NBN project was a disaster because the Federal government took control of it. If each State had developed it owns plan, it would've more effective and cheaper. Look at NZ, and how well it's done on its own as an fully self-governing entity. If they had joined the Commonwealth, they would've been worse off.

Obviously, we can't unscramble the Federation egg, but we can start to see Australia as more of a 'continent' rather than a country.

I truly believe that each State would be better off if we abode by the principals of competitive federalism.


The NBN was a disaster because it was deliberately shot in both knees and then kerbstomped. Only in Australia (that I'm aware of) did something as fundamental as telephone moving in to replace the old telegraph system - "it's just the logical next step in communications infrastructure" according to a team of tech guys I had a conversation with - become so politicised that what could have easily been a world class system was reduced to a mess.

The current NBN debacle is an example of what happens when a conservative government opposed to progress takes office.

It's not a conservative govt: it's a fascist govt!


Probably a fair enough point - they are monumentally stupid wreckers at the very least! I mean FFS, who with half a brain would set out to deliberately sabotage such basic progress? It was never even a radical idea. It's no wonder they keep falling over themselves to gut this country of any truly productive and innovative capacity.

Auggie won't dare point the finger at the fake conservatives: he reckons it's the high court :roll

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Re: Who cares if we're a Colony?

Postby Auggie » 06 Nov 2017, 20:10

HBS Guy wrote:What was the case about, how did the HC decision change things? Fuck, I never heard about it!


The issue was about taxation. Before the case each state collected their own income taxes as well as the commonwealth. In 1942, because of ww2, the federal government took over taxation.

This would’ve been fine if it had been temporary but after the war the federal government continued levying income taxes but not only was this the case, the federal gov said that if any state levied a tax it would not receive any grants.

The states took Canberra to court. They argued essentially that the federal gov was strangling the states and preventing them from collecting income tax by levying such high taxes and threatening to withhold funding. The high court ruled in the commonwealth’s favour.

What’s important to note here is that it was the intention of the federal gov to strangle the states and prevent them from levying income taxes; and the high court knew this.

Now, whether you believe that states should or should not levy income taxes (i happen to believe they should), the fact is the high court made a ruling about the nature of our federalist structure. Such an issue should have been brought to the people to decide. Instead, the high court, with its bias toward centralisation just ruled in favour of the feds.
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