johnsmith wrote:A former executive at the National Broadband Network has predicted that many of the copper wires laid down in the NBN rollout will have to be ripped up and replaced within a decade.
NBN Co has conceded that most Australians with fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) will not be able to get top internet speeds.
The Coalition is building the NBN with a mix of technologies — with high-speed fibre being run to a point in a neighbourhood, and copper wires then being used to reach homes and businesses.
But new figures provided to a Senate committee reveal that only a quarter of FTTN connections can reach the top speed touted by the Government of 100 megabits per second.
That compares to 100 per cent of customers using fibre to the premises (FTTP), or pay television HFC cables.
Anne Hurley, a former chief executive of the Communications Alliance who worked as head of stakeholder engagement at NBN, said the latest figures highlighted deep-seated flaws in the network's design.
"It confirms what we've been saying from day one: fibre-to-the-node is an obsolete technology, it will never deliver the speeds expected by consumers," she said.
Ms Hurley warned large swathes of the copper network would have to be ripped up and replaced within five to 10 years.
"If you look around the world other nations are not embracing fibre-to-the-node and copper … so yes, it's all going to have to go and have to be replaced," she said.
"The industry needs to pull together a strategy which it can take to the Government and say, 'Let's work together on how we can roll out this network, remove antiquated technology, and roll out a network over which we can really operate to provide innovative business services'."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/nbn-fttn-will-not-provide-top-speeds-to-three-quarters-consumers/9335602
fucken disgraceful
Speed things up—aerial deployment from kerb to the house/business etc.
Lefty wrote:Even though we know the libs are fucken idiots, I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be so unbelieveably, monumentally stupid as to deliberately sabotage basic progress. A prime spot in the Guiness Book of Fuckwits is in order.
MilesAway wrote:Lefty wrote:Even though we know the libs are fucken idiots, I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be so unbelieveably, monumentally stupid as to deliberately sabotage basic progress. A prime spot in the Guiness Book of Fuckwits is in order.
It’s mother fucking espionage, that’s what it is!
The fuckin libbo cunts took lindys baby: that’s what the fuck happened!
Three in four premises served by the fibre-to-the-node technology — the technology which will be provided to most residents — will be unable to attain the top speeds, it emerged recently.
Labor's Shadow Communications Minister Michelle Rowland said this meant that about 6.8 million Australians would be using technology by the time the rollout was completed.
"Beyond maximum speeds, the NBN Co has also revealed that 6% of premises already connected over copper are unable to achieve even the minimum speed of 25Mbps," she said.
Lefty wrote:The fibs so-called NBN - the monumental fuck-up that keeps on giving and giving and giving and giving....................
On the Broadband Speed Claims – Industry guidance.
Consumers on FTTP should realise that the above Industry guidance also applies to them. It applies to ALL fixed-line services. Yesterday several consumers have reported to me that ISPs are actively applying these guidelines to FTTP. This is extremely odd as FTTP speeds are obviously not restricted by copper restrictions as length, corrosion etc.
In practise this means that if someone was on a 100Mbps plan and the speed deteriorated over time, the ISP only has to deliver now 60Mbps at peak times. ISPs are actively ringing up their consumers and tell them of the change to the restrictions of their plan. If you think about it rationally, this is just idiotery. Fibre is capable of 10Gbs+ and a 25Mbps plan on FTTP only gives you 15Mbps in Australia which is less then ADSL2+.
It is important that consumers understand that in those circumstances, they receive less performance for their money. In addition, the ISP does not offer any compensation for the performance degradation before the terms of the plan were changed as they fall outside the initiative of the ISPs to compensate for copper.
There was many years ago a reason why FTTP was swept on the same "fixed-line" pile as FTTB and FTTN. Now you know why, be aware. The only reason the MTM policy was introduced was to dictate supply and change the slowly developing demand market in the old supply driven market. My point is proven by the ACCC and ISPs own behaviour in the market.
It will only take same time until these guidelines will be extended by the ACCC to fixed wireless and satellite to justify the willingly and knowingly overselling of bandwidth on these access technologies. At the end of the day, Australians pockets are emptied three times. One time for a write-off for which we are conditioned now, one time by receiving less service for our money and one time when this pile of crap has to be upgraded to descent global technology standards.
No need to celebrate any more if you are lucky enough to have FTTP at your house or business. You are swept on the FTTB/FTTN consumer experience pile.
NBN Co has said that it will complete the rollout of the network to all premises that do not pose issues by 2020.
Labor's communications spokesperson Michelle Rowland said this [survey showing 30% will switch to wireless broadband] contrasted with the 2018 corporate plan issued by the NBN Co, where the assumption had been made that only 15% would use wireless between now and 2040.
"This is despite a 15% substitution rate right now, with a second-rate network that will become increasingly exposed to competition over the next five years," she said.
"The tragedy is Turnbull has built an inferior NBN that is exposing taxpayers to risks he has spent over four years trying to deny:
"The cost of the multi-technology mix rollout has increased from $29.5 billion to $49 billion; [and the rest!]
"It is more exposed to wireless competition;
"It costs more to maintain over its lifetime;
"It delivers slower speeds;
"It delivers a less reliable service;
"Consumer complaints have hit record highs;
"It will require expensive and wasteful upgrades that could have been avoided;
"It generates less revenue from those willing to pay for higher speeds – but the network can’t deliver."
HBS Guy wrote:Even if you are lucky enough to be on FTTP chose your RSP wisely. Ask questions, demand answers—the fucking Libs are even nobbling FTTP:On the Broadband Speed Claims – Industry guidance.
Consumers on FTTP should realise that the above Industry guidance also applies to them. It applies to ALL fixed-line services. Yesterday several consumers have reported to me that ISPs are actively applying these guidelines to FTTP. This is extremely odd as FTTP speeds are obviously not restricted by copper restrictions as length, corrosion etc.
In practise this means that if someone was on a 100Mbps plan and the speed deteriorated over time, the ISP only has to deliver now 60Mbps at peak times. ISPs are actively ringing up their consumers and tell them of the change to the restrictions of their plan. If you think about it rationally, this is just idiotery. Fibre is capable of 10Gbs+ and a 25Mbps plan on FTTP only gives you 15Mbps in Australia which is less then ADSL2+.
It is important that consumers understand that in those circumstances, they receive less performance for their money. In addition, the ISP does not offer any compensation for the performance degradation before the terms of the plan were changed as they fall outside the initiative of the ISPs to compensate for copper.
There was many years ago a reason why FTTP was swept on the same "fixed-line" pile as FTTB and FTTN. Now you know why, be aware. The only reason the MTM policy was introduced was to dictate supply and change the slowly developing demand market in the old supply driven market. My point is proven by the ACCC and ISPs own behaviour in the market.
It will only take same time until these guidelines will be extended by the ACCC to fixed wireless and satellite to justify the willingly and knowingly overselling of bandwidth on these access technologies. At the end of the day, Australians pockets are emptied three times. One time for a write-off for which we are conditioned now, one time by receiving less service for our money and one time when this pile of crap has to be upgraded to descent global technology standards.
No need to celebrate any more if you are lucky enough to have FTTP at your house or business. You are swept on the FTTB/FTTN consumer experience pile.
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2698298&p=5#r81
Chose your RSP well, monitor their performance!
The Libs know damn well their MTM is a pile of shit! So they want to nobble fibre to reduce its obvious appeal to anyone with more than two braincells!
Lefty wrote:Letter in the mailbox today from TGP, spruiking the fact that the NBN will be switched on in our area in a couple of months time, offering various packages that I haven't bothered to look at yet.
Think I'll wait until the next door neighbour's on either side get it and see if it's any better for the money.
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