NBN 2

[HBS Guy]

It is a temporary network, that is all.

[MilesAway]

A former executive at the National Broadband Network has predicted that many of the copper wires laid down in the NBN rollout will have to be ripped up and replaced within a decade.


NBN Co has conceded that most Australians with fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) will not be able to get top internet speeds.

The Coalition is building the NBN with a mix of technologies — with high-speed fibre being run to a point in a neighbourhood, and copper wires then being used to reach homes and businesses.

But new figures provided to a Senate committee reveal that only a quarter of FTTN connections can reach the top speed touted by the Government of 100 megabits per second.

That compares to 100 per cent of customers using fibre to the premises (FTTP), or pay television HFC cables.

Anne Hurley, a former chief executive of the Communications Alliance who worked as head of stakeholder engagement at NBN, said the latest figures highlighted deep-seated flaws in the network's design.

"It confirms what we've been saying from day one: fibre-to-the-node is an obsolete technology, it will never deliver the speeds expected by consumers," she said.

Ms Hurley warned large swathes of the copper network would have to be ripped up and replaced within five to 10 years.

"If you look around the world other nations are not embracing fibre-to-the-node and copper … so yes, it's all going to have to go and have to be replaced," she said.

"The industry needs to pull together a strategy which it can take to the Government and say, 'Let's work together on how we can roll out this network, remove antiquated technology, and roll out a network over which we can really operate to provide innovative business services'."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-17/nbn-fttn-will-not-provide-top-speeds-to-three-quarters-consumers/9335602



fucken disgraceful

It sure is fucken disgraceful that we are still talking about this in 2018 !!!

The kids are crying as we type because they see the next 30 years of their life being up against the rising chinese dragon as like pushing shit up hill!

And now they know we always knew....

** go back to sleep Australia...(..and the rest of Australia actually has the balls to call Perth a dull, sleepy town when we all know you’re all full of shit cunts to whatever came out your wife’s hole )

[Lefty]

Even though we know the libs are fucken idiots, I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be so unbelieveably, monumentally stupid as to deliberately sabotage basic progress. A prime spot in the Guiness Book of Fuckwits is in order.

[HBS Guy]

FTTN is a phone company sweating the last bits of profit out of their well-maintained copper, like AT&T, like Deutsche Telekom (they were a bit too wedded to FTTN but even Germany is moving to FTTH.)

FTTN is NOT for buying a copper network to run FTTN over it!

You do NOT use too-thin copper: high impedance!

You do NOT use sketchily-repaired copper beyond its real end of life.

The idiot Libs made all three errors. Worse, because they are so wedded to anything but fibre nothing they have installed can be reused.

Labor can get FTTH back:
1. The more people that have fibre the more other people want fibre, so tell NBN Co to look at all applications for Fibre on Demand and Area Switches (councils/communities paying to have fibre run out in their areas) with a very sympathetic eye. This can be done on Day 1.

2. The copper is crap, make this bloody plain by doing away with the CVC charge, raising the AVC charge (the more logical charge for actual data rather than (theoretical) speed. Where there is no improvement—run out fibre. Where the copper is OK, bump the nodes to use eight 1Gbps fibres to serve the copper lines. That will make those areas happy until they can be converted to FTTH. Eliminating the CVC charge will take some time to calculate sums, communicate with RSPs—would want CVC eliminated within the first six months.

3. Any areas, no matter how small, where the rollout can be converted to FTTH do that.

4. FTTDp. Some will be run out by NBN Co by the next election. I think they use copper only connections only—Libs and their cronies on NBN board want NO FIBRE—replace those with units that can have fibre from the premise to the Dp—FTTH!

Speed things up—aerial deployment from kerb to the house/business etc.

[Lefty]

Speed things up—aerial deployment from kerb to the house/business etc.

We have cyclones from here north in QLD - yet strangely, I still see aerial lines, poles etc all the way from here to in-laws place in far north QLD. Guess they musn't be as prone to just blowing over in cyclones as bigol reckons .

[HBS Guy]

Not if they are up to spec and installed correctly.

[MilesAway]

Even though we know the libs are fucken idiots, I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be so unbelieveably, monumentally stupid as to deliberately sabotage basic progress. A prime spot in the Guiness Book of Fuckwits is in order.

It’s mother fucking espionage, that’s what it is!

The fuckin libbo cunts took lindys baby: that’s what the fuck happened!

[Lefty]

Even though we know the libs are fucken idiots, I still struggle to comprehend how anyone could be so unbelieveably, monumentally stupid as to deliberately sabotage basic progress. A prime spot in the Guiness Book of Fuckwits is in order.

It’s mother fucking espionage, that’s what it is!

The fuckin libbo cunts took lindys baby: that’s what the fuck happened!

I can't say I'm sure what you mean but yes, they are a nasty lot.

[HBS Guy]

Michelle Rowland:

Three in four premises served by the fibre-to-the-node technology — the technology which will be provided to most residents — will be unable to attain the top speeds, it emerged recently.

Labor's Shadow Communications Minister Michelle Rowland said this meant that about 6.8 million Australians would be using technology by the time the rollout was completed.

"Beyond maximum speeds, the NBN Co has also revealed that 6% of premises already connected over copper are unable to achieve even the minimum speed of 25Mbps," she said.

https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/81453-many-premises-cannot-even-attain-minimum-nbn-speeds-claim.html

[MilesAway]

I would like to test the fact that apparently 1/4 can reach the maximum speeds!

[HBS Guy]

Bet only like 2% can get them at night!

[Lefty]

The fibs so-called NBN - the monumental fuck-up that keeps on giving and giving and giving and giving....................

[MilesAway]

The fibs so-called NBN - the monumental fuck-up that keeps on giving and giving and giving and giving....................

The trouble is we all traded in the Holden for the Audi and still haven’t woken up to why we had kids!

We’re a fucken shit country now

Hey, I know: why don’t we add more people

[HBS Guy]

Greg Jericho thinks the problem with the NBN is government policy:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/jan/21/the-main-problem-with-the-nbn-lies-within-the-governments-intent

I don’t agree 100% with it.

[HBS Guy]

Even if you are lucky enough to be on FTTP chose your RSP wisely. Ask questions, demand answers—the fucking Libs are even nobbling FTTP:

On the Broadband Speed Claims – Industry guidance.

Consumers on FTTP should realise that the above Industry guidance also applies to them. It applies to ALL fixed-line services. Yesterday several consumers have reported to me that ISPs are actively applying these guidelines to FTTP. This is extremely odd as FTTP speeds are obviously not restricted by copper restrictions as length, corrosion etc.

In practise this means that if someone was on a 100Mbps plan and the speed deteriorated over time, the ISP only has to deliver now 60Mbps at peak times. ISPs are actively ringing up their consumers and tell them of the change to the restrictions of their plan. If you think about it rationally, this is just idiotery. Fibre is capable of 10Gbs+ and a 25Mbps plan on FTTP only gives you 15Mbps in Australia which is less then ADSL2+.

It is important that consumers understand that in those circumstances, they receive less performance for their money. In addition, the ISP does not offer any compensation for the performance degradation before the terms of the plan were changed as they fall outside the initiative of the ISPs to compensate for copper.

There was many years ago a reason why FTTP was swept on the same "fixed-line" pile as FTTB and FTTN. Now you know why, be aware. The only reason the MTM policy was introduced was to dictate supply and change the slowly developing demand market in the old supply driven market. My point is proven by the ACCC and ISPs own behaviour in the market.

It will only take same time until these guidelines will be extended by the ACCC to fixed wireless and satellite to justify the willingly and knowingly overselling of bandwidth on these access technologies. At the end of the day, Australians pockets are emptied three times. One time for a write-off for which we are conditioned now, one time by receiving less service for our money and one time when this pile of crap has to be upgraded to descent global technology standards.

No need to celebrate any more if you are lucky enough to have FTTP at your house or business. You are swept on the FTTB/FTTN consumer experience pile.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2698298&p=5#r81

Chose your RSP well, monitor their performance!

The Libs know damn well their MTM is a pile of shit! So they want to nobble fibre to reduce its obvious appeal to anyone with more than two braincells!

[Lefty]

Just unbelieveable!!!

So they are trying to give the impression of greater "digital equality" not by bringing the sub-Saharan Africa standard MTM up to speed with modern systems but by dragging the few parts of it that actually are modern backwards so that the entire country is on the same neolithic playing field? We'll be a nation of cavemen by modern communication system standards but at least we'll all be cavemen together?

This mob deserve to be fucking shot!!!

[HBS Guy]

Absolutely.

[HBS Guy]

Ending line in an ITWire report:

NBN Co has said that it will complete the rollout of the network to all premises that do not pose issues by 2020.

So, at the same time to complete the NBN if the fucking Libs had not interfered and made the single biggest mistake in Australian political history! For more money and delivering infinitely less. And it will have to be ripped up in five years.

[Lefty]

Letter in the mailbox today from TGP, spruiking the fact that the NBN will be switched on in our area in a couple of months time, offering various packages that I haven't bothered to look at yet.

Think I'll wait until the next door neighbour's on either side get it and see if it's any better for the money.

[Lefty]

Letter in the mailbox today from TGP, spruiking the fact that the NBN will be switched on in our area in a couple of months time, offering various packages that I haven't bothered to look at yet.

Think I'll wait until the next door neighbour's on either side get it and see if it's any better for the money.

[HBS Guy]

NEVER be the first with tech. Leave the [b]leading edge to others.

[HBS Guy]

Go Michelle!

Labor's communications spokesperson Michelle Rowland said this [survey showing 30% will switch to wireless broadband] contrasted with the 2018 corporate plan issued by the NBN Co, where the assumption had been made that only 15% would use wireless between now and 2040.

"This is despite a 15% substitution rate right now, with a second-rate network that will become increasingly exposed to competition over the next five years," she said.

"The tragedy is Turnbull has built an inferior NBN that is exposing taxpayers to risks he has spent over four years trying to deny:

"The cost of the multi-technology mix rollout has increased from $29.5 billion to $49 billion; [and the rest!]
"It is more exposed to wireless competition;
"It costs more to maintain over its lifetime;
"It delivers slower speeds;
"It delivers a less reliable service;
"Consumer complaints have hit record highs;
"It will require expensive and wasteful upgrades that could have been avoided;
"It generates less revenue from those willing to pay for higher speeds – but the network can’t deliver."

https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/81668-30-to-abandon-nbn-for-wireless-alp-report-claim.html

I have changed to wireless. It isn’t great but it is RELIABLE! 12:1 constant 24/7, no slowdown to 1:0.1 in peak periods etc. In Tassie—FTTH baby! Fuck—I might get 100:40 and host this bloody board myself!

[MilesAway]

Even if you are lucky enough to be on FTTP chose your RSP wisely. Ask questions, demand answers—the fucking Libs are even nobbling FTTP:

On the Broadband Speed Claims – Industry guidance.

Consumers on FTTP should realise that the above Industry guidance also applies to them. It applies to ALL fixed-line services. Yesterday several consumers have reported to me that ISPs are actively applying these guidelines to FTTP. This is extremely odd as FTTP speeds are obviously not restricted by copper restrictions as length, corrosion etc.

In practise this means that if someone was on a 100Mbps plan and the speed deteriorated over time, the ISP only has to deliver now 60Mbps at peak times. ISPs are actively ringing up their consumers and tell them of the change to the restrictions of their plan. If you think about it rationally, this is just idiotery. Fibre is capable of 10Gbs+ and a 25Mbps plan on FTTP only gives you 15Mbps in Australia which is less then ADSL2+.

It is important that consumers understand that in those circumstances, they receive less performance for their money. In addition, the ISP does not offer any compensation for the performance degradation before the terms of the plan were changed as they fall outside the initiative of the ISPs to compensate for copper.

There was many years ago a reason why FTTP was swept on the same "fixed-line" pile as FTTB and FTTN. Now you know why, be aware. The only reason the MTM policy was introduced was to dictate supply and change the slowly developing demand market in the old supply driven market. My point is proven by the ACCC and ISPs own behaviour in the market.

It will only take same time until these guidelines will be extended by the ACCC to fixed wireless and satellite to justify the willingly and knowingly overselling of bandwidth on these access technologies. At the end of the day, Australians pockets are emptied three times. One time for a write-off for which we are conditioned now, one time by receiving less service for our money and one time when this pile of crap has to be upgraded to descent global technology standards.

No need to celebrate any more if you are lucky enough to have FTTP at your house or business. You are swept on the FTTB/FTTN consumer experience pile.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2698298&p=5#r81

Chose your RSP well, monitor their performance!

The Libs know damn well their MTM is a pile of shit! So they want to nobble fibre to reduce its obvious appeal to anyone with more than two braincells!

The libs are unAustralian: they are from planet accountant, fullstop!

[pinkeye]

Letter in the mailbox today from TGP, spruiking the fact that the NBN will be switched on in our area in a couple of months time, offering various packages that I haven't bothered to look at yet.

Think I'll wait until the next door neighbour's on either side get it and see if it's any better for the money.

All internet access in our area except NBN will be turned off here in about 10 days. Many people have ignored NBN. I think, they think they have a choice.!! I mean why wouldn't people have choice,>>>????

BECAUSE the Liberal Government has made it Law. Funny how they change Laws at will. Fuckers.

I took up NBN early, not understanding how crap it is. Hey.. I got signed up, but they could NEVER supply the service I paid for.
I have received minimal compensation in the form of credit against my bills for three months. That doesn't count the fifteen previous months I PAID FOR. !!

So YES we have this CRAP NBN , because Malcolm Turnbull convinced the public he could produce for cheaper. HE WON GOVERNMENT.

NOW HE MUST LOSE GOVERNMENT. There are simply no excuses. A fucking fiasco, because one mob of pollies want THAT POWER THEY CRAVE. FUCK THIS GOVERNMENT.
JUST ONE eg .. and its all it takes to vote these cunts OUT. !! They are corrupt, they have an agenda they aren't sharing. They deserve to be relegated to Opposition for THR FORSEEABLE FUTURE.

THEY HAD their chances... multiple chances byy the Australian Public. THEY FAILED, and continue TO FAIL.


NOTHING FOR IT. Vote them out next election.

[pinkeye]

oh oh I have just had a perfect NBN experience.

I keep records of when I notice I have no NBN service. I walk past and see no green .. I make a note. I'm banking, it drops out.. I make a note.

So here are yesterdays and todays notes.

10/2 Dropouts

4.50pm
10.55 pm
out till 11.55 pm. It may have come on briefly in that time. I was sick of it, so was reading. I was going to post here. But.. no service.
Then
11.58 pm out
12.00 ON
12.01 OFF

So it's on for now.

This service drops out ALL the time. I just DON"T spend all day on the computer. So I don't note ALL the dropouts that occur daily.

I AM SO FUCKING GLAD I AM NOT TRYING to RUN a BUSINESS with this shit. Poor fucking business people.

Huh .. this government wants to support small BUSINESS. Ha Ha Ha.


That is a filthy stinking LIE.