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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 23 Dec 2017, 14:34

HBS Guy wrote:No matter how long you do CPR on a corpse it remains a corpse.

Give over, BigOle, see what Gina does is my recommendation.



Mate Ill be kicking that dead cunt from brisbane until she is out of office.

Like I have always said I don't give a fuck where the jobs come from, more than happy to work on any mine site, major construction in QLD.

I don't want that cunt from brisbane destroying our jobs for her own amusement.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Dec 2017, 14:57

It doesn’t matter. Adani is a shonk and his companies are nearly broke. Australians would not countenance building a railway for fat Gina whose dream is to rip of Australian workers, hence the Adani proposal.

Forget Adani, focus on Gina. There is also a third area someone else wants to dig coal out of.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 23 Dec 2017, 23:10

HBS Guy wrote:It doesn’t matter. Adani is a shonk and his companies are nearly broke. Australians would not countenance building a railway for fat Gina whose dream is to rip of Australian workers, hence the Adani proposal.

Forget Adani, focus on Gina. There is also a third area someone else wants to dig coal out of.



Don't worry no company will invest in North Queensland while that cunt bitch is actively destroying projects north of noosa.
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Re: Adani

Postby pinkeye » 24 Dec 2017, 01:28

BigOl64 wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:It doesn’t matter. Adani is a shonk and his companies are nearly broke. Australians would not countenance building a railway for fat Gina whose dream is to rip of Australian workers, hence the Adani proposal.

Forget Adani, focus on Gina. There is also a third area someone else wants to dig coal out of.



Don't worry no company will invest in North Queensland while that cunt bitch is actively destroying projects north of noosa.


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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 24 Dec 2017, 04:15

pinkeye wrote:
BigOl64 wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:It doesn’t matter. Adani is a shonk and his companies are nearly broke. Australians would not countenance building a railway for fat Gina whose dream is to rip of Australian workers, hence the Adani proposal.

Forget Adani, focus on Gina. There is also a third area someone else wants to dig coal out of.



Don't worry no company will invest in North Queensland while that cunt bitch is actively destroying projects north of noosa.


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Like to name any project north of noosa over 2 billion dollars funded or supported by that labor cunt?

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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 24 Dec 2017, 06:56

BigOl64 wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:REAL job generator, the Adani scam!

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144 jobs lost at Townsville council. HM people were fired, just in time for Christmas, in Rockhampton? If Adani’s Carmichael mine is such a jobs generator why the FUCK are people being fired to present the shonk with a fucking airport?



Have to ask the cunt from brisbane why she torpedoed the project making everyone else scramble to keep the thing going.

It wasn't even her fucking money, the spiteful cunt.


Like to see the link for that too, the story doesn't seem to get a mention in the local paper, soooo


Looks like a subscriber-only article so I can't read it in full but the gist of it appears to be that people were to be made redundant in order to fund a project that the council believed was still going ahead at the time.

The torpedoing of the Adani fraud came after that, not before it I assume - otherwise, why do it if the project looks dead in the water? There's no point scrambling to build an airport for a mine that won't exist.

The premiers actions may have actually saved 140 jobs, depending on the actions of the council.

The council on the other hand, was prepared to wreck the livelyhoods of a bunch of North Queenslanders in order to funnel public, local government money straight to a notorious shonky operator. I don't think you need worry about any bogeyman(woman) in Brisbane - you've got a nice bunch of scumbags in office right there in the north.

Sack a bunch of local North QLD people in order to funnel money collected from North QLD ratepayers to an international crook - why was this undertaken?

I think the council should be investigated for corruption.
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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 24 Dec 2017, 07:40

Not even mining companies will trust the cunt from brisbane now, might as well get rid of it as a bad fucking joke.


That cunt won't be spending a cent north of noosa, so might as well give it to her and hopes she chokes on it the filthy rancid bitch.


Has any of the money been spent in the north of WA? What about the Top End? If you're going to blame our premier for that then you're going to have to heap blame of the WA premier and the NT chief minister as well.

The whole problem with the NAIF is how it is constructed, based on a belief in trickle-down economics. Katter was probably correct saying that true northern locals don't have the ability to stump up the kind of dough needed as collateral to qualify for a NAIF loan. Abbot and Hockey would have known this at the time and were relying on multinational corporations to put in place the infrastructure needed to broadly benefit everyone in the north and take the region forward.

Since when did multinationals give a rats arse about local people? Their only purpose is to return maximum dividends to their shareholders, the biggest ones of those are typically in a major city on the other side of the world and they would not give half-a-fuck - let alone two of them - about Northern Australia and people living there.

This is the delusion in the neo-liberal belief - that the private sector is always best-placed to provide everything that the public needs. FFS, maximising the public purpose and maximising private shareholder returns are two ideas that are totally incompatible. They CANNOT both be provided by the same entity.

So yes, I can't see why Turdfull can't just hand it over to the two states and the territory in question. It's the fed's fund so they have to power to direct that it all be spent from Gladstone north and can't be funnelled into the southeast before they hand over the dough. $5 billion invested in infrastructure could really benefit the north but it's clear that the federal coalition are not serious about nation building. They want to hand it over to their big business mates from around the world.

Hmm........the Northern Territory has less autonomy than the states - is that correct? It's a territory belonging to the federation, couldn't the federal government just go ahead and invest some of that money in the NT without needing to ask much in the way of permission?
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 24 Dec 2017, 13:36

Lefty wrote:
Not even mining companies will trust the cunt from brisbane now, might as well get rid of it as a bad fucking joke.


That cunt won't be spending a cent north of noosa, so might as well give it to her and hopes she chokes on it the filthy rancid bitch.


Has any of the money been spent in the north of WA? What about the Top End? If you're going to blame our premier for that then you're going to have to heap blame of the WA premier and the NT chief minister as well.

The whole problem with the NAIF is how it is constructed, based on a belief in trickle-down economics. Katter was probably correct saying that true northern locals don't have the ability to stump up the kind of dough needed as collateral to qualify for a NAIF loan. Abbot and Hockey would have known this at the time and were relying on multinational corporations to put in place the infrastructure needed to broadly benefit everyone in the north and take the region forward.

Since when did multinationals give a rats arse about local people? Their only purpose is to return maximum dividends to their shareholders, the biggest ones of those are typically in a major city on the other side of the world and they would not give half-a-fuck - let alone two of them - about Northern Australia and people living there.

This is the delusion in the neo-liberal belief - that the private sector is always best-placed to provide everything that the public needs. FFS, maximising the public purpose and maximising private shareholder returns are two ideas that are totally incompatible. They CANNOT both be provided by the same entity.

So yes, I can't see why Turdfull can't just hand it over to the two states and the territory in question. It's the fed's fund so they have to power to direct that it all be spent from Gladstone north and can't be funnelled into the southeast before they hand over the dough. $5 billion invested in infrastructure could really benefit the north but it's clear that the federal coalition are not serious about nation building. They want to hand it over to their big business mates from around the world.

Hmm........the Northern Territory has less autonomy than the states - is that correct? It's a territory belonging to the federation, couldn't the federal government just go ahead and invest some of that money in the NT without needing to ask much in the way of permission?



I was not aware there were project to destroy in WA & the NT, those government are actively promoting their states and welcoming businesses to spend in massive infrastructure projects,

That cunt is actively stopping projects going ahead in the north, that is the difference.
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Re: Adani

Postby pinkeye » 24 Dec 2017, 23:36

BigOl64 wrote:
Lefty wrote:
Not even mining companies will trust the cunt from brisbane now, might as well get rid of it as a bad fucking joke.


That cunt won't be spending a cent north of noosa, so might as well give it to her and hopes she chokes on it the filthy rancid bitch.


Has any of the money been spent in the north of WA? What about the Top End? If you're going to blame our premier for that then you're going to have to heap blame of the WA premier and the NT chief minister as well.

The whole problem with the NAIF is how it is constructed, based on a belief in trickle-down economics. Katter was probably correct saying that true northern locals don't have the ability to stump up the kind of dough needed as collateral to qualify for a NAIF loan. Abbot and Hockey would have known this at the time and were relying on multinational corporations to put in place the infrastructure needed to broadly benefit everyone in the north and take the region forward.

Since when did multinationals give a rats arse about local people? Their only purpose is to return maximum dividends to their shareholders, the biggest ones of those are typically in a major city on the other side of the world and they would not give half-a-fuck - let alone two of them - about Northern Australia and people living there.

This is the delusion in the neo-liberal belief - that the private sector is always best-placed to provide everything that the public needs. FFS, maximising the public purpose and maximising private shareholder returns are two ideas that are totally incompatible. They CANNOT both be provided by the same entity.

So yes, I can't see why Turdfull can't just hand it over to the two states and the territory in question. It's the fed's fund so they have to power to direct that it all be spent from Gladstone north and can't be funnelled into the southeast before they hand over the dough. $5 billion invested in infrastructure could really benefit the north but it's clear that the federal coalition are not serious about nation building. They want to hand it over to their big business mates from around the world.

Hmm........the Northern Territory has less autonomy than the states - is that correct? It's a territory belonging to the federation, couldn't the federal government just go ahead and invest some of that money in the NT without needing to ask much in the way of permission?



I was not aware there were project to destroy in WA & the NT, those government are actively promoting their states and welcoming businesses to spend in massive infrastructure projects,

That cunt is actively stopping projects going ahead in the north, that is the difference.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Dec 2017, 07:57

In the fourth in a five part series on the proposed Adani Carmichael coal mine, John Quiggin looks at the numbers for the project, and like virtually all other parts of the planned project, they don’t survive closer examination:

https://newmatilda.com/2017/12/24/the-numbers-dont-stack-up-wjs-rights-on-the-chopping-block-for-adanis-non-viable-project/
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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 27 Dec 2017, 07:16

I was not aware there were project to destroy in WA & the NT, those government are actively promoting their states and welcoming businesses to spend in massive infrastructure projects,



So why haven't they been forthcoming? QLD does not have the power of veto over WA and the Territory. With all this "active promotion" you would think that NAIF money would have been handed out like lollies in WA and the Territory. The way the fund is structured appears to be the main problem with the money not being spent.

That cunt is actively stopping projects going ahead in the north, that is the difference.


She appears to have withdrawn support for one particular project so lets not get carried away.

Adani does not appear to have ever been viable. No financial institution in the world was prepared to loan him the money - any idea why that might be? So instead you want the Commonwealth to put up a huge sum of public money for something that no international financier would touch with a barge pole.

The NAIF board must be satisfied that a project meets all the criteria before handing out a loan. Whichever way you slice it and dice it, Adani does not stack up.

Fuck the NAIF. Just give the money to the premiers/chief minister as a grant to be spent on public infrastructure in Northern Australia.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Dec 2017, 07:49

In India the cost of wind and solar has dropped 50%.

It used to sound hollow, but now the coal lobby catch-cry, “coal is good for the poor people of India” now sounds plainly comical.

“It doesn’t get better than this,” says Buckley. “Indian wind prices have fallen 50 per cent in just one year, and this record low wind tariff is eight per cent below the previous record low wind tariff set in October 2017. Deflation of 50 per cent year-on-year means near zero emissions wind is now at cost parity with solar as the two lowest cost sources of new electricity generation capacity.”

The question must be asked: who would be mad enough to spend US$US1.5 billion building an expensive new 1.6GW import coal-fired power plant in India knowing it would immediately double the cost of renewable energy and bring currency and cost inflation to consumers?

“Adani’s proposed Godda import coal-fired power plant in Jharkhand in North East India is a stranded asset that, if built, will lock in pollution and energy poverty for neighbouring Bangladesh for decades to come,” says Buckley.

The 50 per cent fall the price of renewables since the start of 2016 is one of the key global themes of 2017. We are not just talking about India. Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Peru, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Germany and the UK have all seen deflation in onshore or offshore wind and/or solar.


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/adani-stranded-as-wind-tenders-make-another-record/

As to the “cunt in Briasbane” destroying the non–viable Adani project she has given Adani a royalty holiday and a licence for use of unlimited water from the GAB. She wants Adani to build the rail line out of his own pockets, is all.

Coal is fast becoming a stranded asset. Demand and price for thermal coal are dropping rapidly.
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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 27 Dec 2017, 08:09

HBS Guy wrote:In India the cost of wind and solar has dropped 50%.

It used to sound hollow, but now the coal lobby catch-cry, “coal is good for the poor people of India” now sounds plainly comical.

“It doesn’t get better than this,” says Buckley. “Indian wind prices have fallen 50 per cent in just one year, and this record low wind tariff is eight per cent below the previous record low wind tariff set in October 2017. Deflation of 50 per cent year-on-year means near zero emissions wind is now at cost parity with solar as the two lowest cost sources of new electricity generation capacity.”

The question must be asked: who would be mad enough to spend US$US1.5 billion building an expensive new 1.6GW import coal-fired power plant in India knowing it would immediately double the cost of renewable energy and bring currency and cost inflation to consumers?

“Adani’s proposed Godda import coal-fired power plant in Jharkhand in North East India is a stranded asset that, if built, will lock in pollution and energy poverty for neighbouring Bangladesh for decades to come,” says Buckley.

The 50 per cent fall the price of renewables since the start of 2016 is one of the key global themes of 2017. We are not just talking about India. Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Peru, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Germany and the UK have all seen deflation in onshore or offshore wind and/or solar.


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/adani-stranded-as-wind-tenders-make-another-record/

As to the “cunt in Briasbane” destroying the non–viable Adani project she has given Adani a royalty holiday and a licence for use of unlimited water from the GAB. She wants Adani to build the rail line out of his own pockets, is all.

Coal is fast becoming a stranded asset. Demand and price for thermal coal are dropping rapidly.


Yeah, coal's days as a major fuel for electricity generation look numbered.

Metalurgical coal still has a future as a key steelmaking ingredient but it's only a matter of time before thermal coal is of limited use.

Apparently there is a project in North QLD that is in the final stages of applying for a NAIF loan, probably aren;t talking about the sums of money that Adani wanted. The renewable energy plant at Kidston has applied. My fossicking partner's brother is working on the project at present.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Dec 2017, 08:13

Will the NAIF governers want to lend money to renewable energy projects???
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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 27 Dec 2017, 08:25

HBS Guy wrote:Will the NAIF governers want to lend money to renewable energy projects???


I'd imagine that in the wake of Adani and the growing noises about them sitting on a pile of money that has not been used for anything, they will be under pressure to approve more projects and maybe "stretch the interpretation of the rules" .

Adani wanted probably around half of QLD's share of the fund - assuming that's how it's divvied up - while not having to pay any royalties to QLD for extracting a resource owned by QLD for an extended period so you would have hoped the project stacked up and delivered, which it looks highly unlikely that it ever would have.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Dec 2017, 09:30

Yeah, apart from “renewable” the project ticks all the boxes.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 30 Dec 2017, 16:33

Lefty wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:In India the cost of wind and solar has dropped 50%.

It used to sound hollow, but now the coal lobby catch-cry, “coal is good for the poor people of India” now sounds plainly comical.

“It doesn’t get better than this,” says Buckley. “Indian wind prices have fallen 50 per cent in just one year, and this record low wind tariff is eight per cent below the previous record low wind tariff set in October 2017. Deflation of 50 per cent year-on-year means near zero emissions wind is now at cost parity with solar as the two lowest cost sources of new electricity generation capacity.”

The question must be asked: who would be mad enough to spend US$US1.5 billion building an expensive new 1.6GW import coal-fired power plant in India knowing it would immediately double the cost of renewable energy and bring currency and cost inflation to consumers?

“Adani’s proposed Godda import coal-fired power plant in Jharkhand in North East India is a stranded asset that, if built, will lock in pollution and energy poverty for neighbouring Bangladesh for decades to come,” says Buckley.

The 50 per cent fall the price of renewables since the start of 2016 is one of the key global themes of 2017. We are not just talking about India. Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Peru, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Germany and the UK have all seen deflation in onshore or offshore wind and/or solar.


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/adani-stranded-as-wind-tenders-make-another-record/

As to the “cunt in Briasbane” destroying the non–viable Adani project she has given Adani a royalty holiday and a licence for use of unlimited water from the GAB. She wants Adani to build the rail line out of his own pockets, is all.

Coal is fast becoming a stranded asset. Demand and price for thermal coal are dropping rapidly.


Yeah, coal's days as a major fuel for electricity generation look numbered.

Metalurgical coal still has a future as a key steelmaking ingredient but it's only a matter of time before thermal coal is of limited use.

Apparently there is a project in North QLD that is in the final stages of applying for a NAIF loan, probably aren;t talking about the sums of money that Adani wanted. The renewable energy plant at Kidston has applied. My fossicking partner's brother is working on the project at present.



Yes we have a crap tonne of intermittent power in the north, it goes well with our massive unemployment and out of control crime.

We don't have any major projects and probably won't have any time in the future, thanks to our government's anti-jobs policy for the north and our stupidity for foting for the cunt from brisbane.

We don't have cheap reliable base load power so industry isn't keen on paying outrageous power prices up here when they get that much cheaper in SEQ.


As for coal becoming a stranded asset, what a load of horse shit, there isn't a single industrialised country anywhere who is even close to relying of intermittent power. It is all coal, gas and nuke for base-load and intermittent for masturbation purposes only For fuck sake do some fucking research before posting that deluded crap.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 30 Dec 2017, 16:36

HBS Guy wrote:Will the NAIF governers want to lend money to renewable energy projects???



Will anyone want to do business in the north anymore?

Can anyone trust that cunt from brisbane to support any project north of noosa, her eagerness to maintain massive unemployment in the north seems to say no.


We can only rely on private companies to ensure our progress and try to avoid involving that filthy cunt in our business as much as possible
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Re: Adani

Postby Lefty » 30 Dec 2017, 19:07

We can only rely on private companies to ensure our progress


Then you are going to be disappointed.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 31 Dec 2017, 07:00

Lefty wrote:
We can only rely on private companies to ensure our progress


Then you are going to be disappointed.



More disappointed than having a government that actively destroys jobs and allows crime to run rampant, yeah I doubt it.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Dec 2017, 07:10

Oh FFS!

Premier has given Adani a royalty holiday AND a licence to use unlimited GAB water.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 31 Dec 2017, 08:23

HBS Guy wrote:Oh FFS!

Premier has given Adani a royalty holiday AND a licence to use unlimited GAB water.



Yes and then???????????


For fuck sake indeed.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Dec 2017, 09:30

So she didn’t want the Indian shonk to be getting more public money. Quite right too: any income from the mine (or sale of lease, railway and port more likely) will be funneled to tax havens.

Keep telling you—it was Gina who didn’t want to pay for the railway and hence the Adani figleaf. Gina has leases next to Adani’s, she too will want to mine and ship out coal while the price of coal allows some profit.
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Re: Adani

Postby BigOl64 » 31 Dec 2017, 09:34

HBS Guy wrote:So she didn’t want the Indian shonk to be getting more public money. Quite right too: any income from the mine (or sale of lease, railway and port more likely) will be funneled to tax havens.

Keep telling you—it was Gina who didn’t want to pay for the railway and hence the Adani figleaf. Gina has leases next to Adani’s, she too will want to mine and ship out coal while the price of coal allows some profit.



No-one will invest a single cent into the north while that lying cunt is actively destroying jobs.


So fuck her and the rest of this labor arseholes, especially the filth that took Townsville voters for a ride to spend another 3 years on the gravy train doing nothing.
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Re: Adani

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Dec 2017, 09:36

Adani was never going to go ahead. No finance, no customers.
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