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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Dec 2014, 08:34

Moses a founding father for the US?

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar ... /383153/2/

Why do our politicians let idiots and flat earthers guide policy?
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Dec 2014, 12:50

Beginning to like this Pope:

The Pope Has A Message For Christian Fundamentalists: You’re No Better Than ISIS

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03 ... than-isis/

And to prove the point he makes –
Conservative ‘Christian’ Pastor Openly Calls For Executing All Gay People By Christmas Day

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03 ... day-video/
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Dec 2014, 19:40

I am feeling like mass murder on a massive scale! Just as well I own no guns, nothing more offensive in fact than a carpenters hammer and a a trio of chefs knives.

Why am I so worked up? Just watched Catalyst (ABC21, be on iView) about how our population will double and how cities can adjust and cope.

Except—

—we have an idiot as PM surrounded by useless fools and burned out husks

—our NBN that could provide the nerves of the city ripped up by the said useless fricking idiots aforementioned

—ideas to make the city self sustaining for energy–and not just solar—yup, you guessed it, stymied by the collection of total tools when they rescinded the carbon price. Goodbye innovation, hello dirty fricking “good for humanity” :roll dirty stinking dangerous coal.

Not so much a government as a bunch of subnormal cocksuckers!
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Dec 2014, 07:15

Abbott cuts CSIRO funding, wants to cut university funding, funds students of the sky fairy:

Taxpayers would subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers at private colleges for the first time under the Abbott government's proposed higher education reforms.

As well as deregulating university fees and cutting university funding by 20 per cent, the government's proposed higher education package extends federal funding to students at private universities, TAFES and associate degree programs.

Religious teaching, training and vocational institutes would be eligible for a share of $820 million in new Commonwealth funding over three years.

Labor and the Greens attacked the policy, saying it breaches the separation of Church and State. Earlier this year the government controversially announced it would provide $244 million for a new school chaplaincy scheme but would remove the option for schools to hire secular welfare workers.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... 20a3c.html

If we have a Budget Emergency™ how can we afford to spend so much on the sky fairy? And the separation of Church and State is also imperilled by this fatuous idiocy.

And:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/curric ... 1zu6e.html
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 08 Mar 2015, 05:46

This is a post by someone from PBX, getting great marks—distinctions & high distinctions—in his metallurgy course:

Had a bit of disheartening news this week from uni, apparently Federation University (the uni centred in Ballarat) is ending its Metallurgy course. While I’ll still be able to finish mine this year, there’s no more positions available for enrolment.

What makes it particularly sour is that it seems to fall in line with the trend that STEM courses in this country (Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths) are becoming less encouraged and supported by the current society and federal government.


Uni fee deregulation would see business, law and, to a lesser extent, medicine form the basis of Uni teaching. Stuff that! What is it with these idiots—we need the NBN, we need to encourage more into STEM courses, not less! Maybe as a holder of a BSc I am biased but I really don’t think so. We can do with less lawyers but not less scientists/technologists. This IS the 21st century and we have huge challenges including climate change, changing away from a mining–led economy, better management of our drylands yadda yadda.
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby OldMate » 12 Mar 2015, 07:35

On The 7.30 Report last night we had the chancellors of Sydney and Melbourne Uni's 'contributing to the public debate'. Both of them are in favour of deregulation although not for good educational reasons but because the uni's face a 25% reduction in govt funding, which is the real issue and the real driver. The rest is smoke and mirrors. And when our academic leadership can not concisely cut through the BS then we are in real trouble.

The next BS argument that all sides participated in was the individual benefit and the public benefit argument and who pays for the 'up front'. Firstly it is an even argument (the graduate gets a better job and better pay and the Govt gets a higher and quicker recovery through increase tax revenue - the recovery of the upfront expenditure would be about the same).

The other BS argument was competition between uni's. That's BS. In any given city or region the uni's are monopolies or at least oligopolies. For various reasons potential students have limited choice of subject and location.

The other reason the Capitalist Competition model doesn't stand up or work perfectly is that the consumer (demand) is not fully informed about the quality and appropriateness of the product (well not until they have paid for and consumed the product).

The driver behind all of this is artificial demand. School leavers are told 'earn or learn' and with the carrot and stick driving them (carrot being the promise of 'guaranteed' employment and stick being no dole) which means School leavers do any course which may or may not lead to employment and a useful skill for society. ( An ABC program featured a regional Queensland teenager who paid (Hexed) $27,000 to half complete a course in Video Gaming (private training provider).

The other driver of artificial demand is the policy of 'if qualified a uni position is guaranteed' embraced by both sides of politics and the uni's. And you wonder why Norway has PhD grads driving taxi and we have unemployable grads with skills and knowledge not need for employment an an economic life and other grads that can't do the job they were supposedly studied for.
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Mar 2015, 08:29

The other thing is the huge bureucracies built up in the Unis, built up so much they are starting to edge out the teaching and research staff! That is why VCs want deregulation!

Give the states a river of gold like the GST and you are assured of waste on a massive scale!
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Apr 2015, 11:42

More on the stupid TPP and cost of medicines:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/tpp-pill ... msgds.html

I could well result in Big Pharma suing the govt in a friendly business–dominated court to get it to disband the PBS—Big Pharma hates countries like the UK and Australia bulk–buying a years supply of medicines at a steeply discounted price.
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby HBS Guy » 18 May 2015, 13:54

Turnbull is having a whinge about HS students not studying subjects leading to STEM studies:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/australias ... -turnbull/

Geez, Turncoat, it couldn’t be to do with the denigration of science and you killing the NBN would it? When the budget for CSIRO and BuMet are cut, climate science ridiculed, stupid policies like Direct Action implemented—what did you expect to happen? Maybe the money for school chaplains could be better employed, eh?

Shorten’s proposals, to encourage startups, to write off HECS debt for STEM students sounds a lot more positive and productive!
http://www.zdnet.com/article/budget-201 ... tem-debts/
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 18 May 2015, 14:54

Julia Gillard passionately advocating for much better education worlwide:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... t-52344613

Wish JGPM was still PM, not this 2 bit thug we have now. Damn Rudd to hell!
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Jun 2015, 19:24

This post is illustrative of the anti science/technology bent of the shambles:

viewtopic.php?p=97589#p97589
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jul 2015, 08:31

New study shows govt funding for public school students is dropping while funding for Catholic and private schools increased:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... i5hii.html

abbot shambles—doing the wrong thing everywhere!
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby dissilymordentroge » 14 Oct 2018, 21:11

Austranger wrote:Onward, Onward is the cry, forward into the 19th century! :roll

Shame this dopic died so early as the central idea of the rejection of science is still very much a threat to the survival of our species.
One aspect of all this I can never get my head around is the rejection of science by the Oz Liberal Party who were once the champions of science, in industry, education and pure research.
I’m no liberal but I feel Bob Menzies is rolling in his grave.
The Human Race is insane.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 15 Oct 2018, 03:19

Bob Menzies, the clown, shortly after his election in 1949 told the CSIRO to stop fooling around with computers and concentrate on sheep etc. We could have been leaders in computing. CSIRO developed wifi, just think what else they could have done with a bit better leadership and a bit more money.

When people do fundamental research you never know what applications will be found. Don’t restrict our top scientists!
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Re: War on Science, education and technology

Postby Cracky » 27 Oct 2018, 01:11

HBS Guy wrote:Beginning to like this Pope:

The Pope Has A Message For Christian Fundamentalists: You’re No Better Than ISIS

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03 ... than-isis/

And to prove the point he makes –
Conservative ‘Christian’ Pastor Openly Calls For Executing All Gay People By Christmas Day

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03 ... day-video/

A declaration of war on the Catholic clergy?
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Oct 2018, 05:14

No, fundamentalists of all religions.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby Cracky » 27 Oct 2018, 05:25

I was thinking "Catholic clergy" when I saw the "gay" tag.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Oct 2018, 05:30

OIC.

They are pedos.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby Cracky » 27 Oct 2018, 06:03

You agree then that we are talking about Catholic priests whether or not the "fundamentalists of all religions" are aware of the difference between someone who fancies boys as a pedophile or as a gay person.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Oct 2018, 06:48

No, that evil bloody parson was calling for the killing of all gay people..
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby karlrand » 24 Jan 2020, 08:46

My apologies for wandering away from the important question I have no answers for, that is why do our politicians let idiots and flat earthers guide policy.
I can only guess it’s due to certain cashed up lobbyists contributions to electoral funding.

HBS Guy wrote:No, that evil bloody parson was calling for the killing of all gay people..

There’s an elephant in the room here. The careless usage of the term ‘gay’ is far too common.
OK, I’m happy to admit to being 100% poof but that doesn’t mean I haven’t gotten seriously stoned or drunk and wandered across to the other side.
There’s a large body of academic research available covering the frequency of same sex encounters in wartime. Many of the men and women who indulged whilst in the military return home to pretend it never happened. Some of them , guilt ridden, compensate with vociferous homophobia.
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The 2nd elephant in the room is this idea all pedophiles are ‘gay’ when the vast majority will attack members of their own family of either sex. More often than not they are totally heterosexual in their sexual encounters with other adults.
The 3rd elephant in the room is the predatory sexuality of the young. I know from my own behaviour from age 14 I was a rampant little slut in my intense efforts to seduce older men. I’m still conflicted about this in that I don’t think my behaviour made the actions of the older men I seduced any more morally acceptable by prevailing standards. On the other hand if anyone had attempted to prevent these men ‘imposing themselves’ on me at the time I’d have been angrier than an angry rattle-snake.

Interestingly in my older years I’ve always declined any offer from young teenage males, not so much out of a lack of desire to ‘go through with it’ but learning how often young men will in later life pretend they were forced into having sex.
Maybe however my perspective is warped by my good luck as a young boy. I was never forced into doing anything I didn’t want to go along with . In fact when telling my parents as a young gay teenager of my preferences and being thrown out of home I was taken under the wings of a number of older gay men, none of whom ever expected, let alone demanded sexual favours in return.

https://www.amazon.com/One-Boys-Homosex ... 0773537147
https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Out-Under ... im_sbs_b_1
http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-secret ... 2bp9m.html
https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality ... gers-anzac
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ape-of-men
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jan 2020, 10:57

Will look at those links later--am on the road today, having a coffee in a bakery.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby karlrand » 24 Jan 2020, 15:30

HBS Guy wrote:Will look at those links later--am on the road today, having a coffee in a bakery.


Luckily we have some of the best coffee in Australia roasted down here by Leaping Goat at Spreyton. Their 'Columbian Toffee' beans are something else.
In general though the standard of coffee available in cafes and resturants in Tassie is as nasty as on the mainland with that nasty burnt, over roasted finish those who should know better think is OK.
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jan 2020, 17:24

Ahahaha the bakery I bought my morning roll and coffee from made OK coffee. Definitely better than instant!
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Re: Special Feature: War on Science, education and technolog

Postby Chuck » 24 Jan 2020, 19:16

HBS Guy wrote:Bob Menzies, the clown, shortly after his election in 1949 told the CSIRO to stop fooling around with computers and concentrate on sheep etc. We could have been leaders in computing. CSIRO developed wifi, just think what else they could have done with a bit better leadership and a bit more money.

When people do fundamental research you never know what applications will be found. Don’t restrict our top scientists!

Woomera Rocket Range, located in north-west South Australia about 450 kilometres from Adelaide, was established under the Anglo-Australian Joint Project following the Second World War. The equipment used and tested there was at the forefront of defence technology. Between 1957 and 1979, Australia was involved in a number of space projects at Woomera and was considered a leading nation in space activities. The successful launch of the Weapons Research Establishment Satellite (WRESAT) from Woomera in 1967 gained Australia international recognition and membership of the exclusive ‘Space Club’.

Some may not believe my involvement in this project but I was an employee of Aircraft Research Development Unit between 1972 - 1976.

What the Poms advised our govt was to concentrate on making TV''s and washing machines!

Even when Australia developed the FET transistor!
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