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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 20:37

I will believe it if it happens, don’t get your hopes up—a Rudd return is what Murdoch and all the MSM are praying for and the ALP will be crucified at the election. Abbott dreads having to go up against Gillard.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 09 Jun 2013, 20:50

"ABC Insiders presenter Barrie Cassidy says Mr Rudd is the only figure being considered as an alternative prime minister.

Mr Cassidy spoke about the tensions within the party on Insiders this morning.

"I am now very strongly of the view that Julia Gillard will not lead Labor into the next election," he said.

"I think there will be a change either by her own hand or the actions of others. And I'm not relying entirely on guesswork here."

Writing for ABC's The Drum, Mr Cassidy says key Labor players are now planning when and how Ms Gillard should be approached to step aside.

"Those who have changed their thinking are convinced that in any case, she must be close to deciding for herself that continuing on through a torrid and hopeless 10-week campaign is intolerable," he wrote.

A spokesman for Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten, who is a key figure in Labor's Victorian right faction, says he supports the Prime Minister and that has not changed.



Is Gillard's number up?

Insiders presenter Barrie Cassidy writes key players are now planning when and how Ms Gillard should be approached to step aside.


This week Mr Rudd hit the hustings in Victoria to help campaign for the re-election of Labor MPs.

He insisted he did not "see any circumstances" that would elevate him back to the Labor leadership.

He also pledged to support Ms Gillard and praised her "very strong leadership in very difficult circumstances for the Australian Labor Party."

The week of turmoil for Labor began with disastrous polling showing the party could be left with as few as 40 seats in the Federal Parliament.

Throughout the week a number of Labor MPs ridiculed the party's chances of winning the September 14 election, with one backbench MP comparing Labor to the Titanic.

"It's like the Titanic - we're in the final scenes. Third class has realised the doors are locked and they're not getting out and first class are running around looking for a dress to put on," the MP, a key supporter of Mr Rudd, told ABC News Online.

It was also revealed two long-serving MPs had already packed up their Canberra offices in preparation for the electoral wipe-out.

On Thursday night Mr Rudd was interviewed on the ABC's 7.30 program where he dismissed any suggestion that he was partly to blame for Labor's disastrous polling.

The latest Newspoll results suggest Mr Rudd would be the only Labor MP to retain a seat in Queensland.

On Wednesday long-time Labor MP Laurie Ferguson, who maintains he is a "strong supporter" of the Prime Minister, said Labor was "dead" in critical seats in Western Sydney if Ms Gillard did not engage the electorate on the asylum seeker issue."
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 20:56

Two long serving—one a Rudd supporter, hoping to embarrass the PM, one whose electorate had a major redistribution making holding it doubtful. Caucus won’t have a bar of Rudd.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 09 Jun 2013, 21:00

HBS Guy wrote:Two long serving—one a Rudd supporter, hoping to embarrass the PM, one whose electorate had a major redistribution making holding it doubtful. Caucus won’t have a bar of Rudd.

They don't have a choice..it's either Rudd or Abbott!
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 09 Jun 2013, 21:02

Hi Aussie!
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 21:11

No, it is Gillard or Abbott.

Gillard has a strength that Rudd lacks.

You will find Crean and Mar’n Ferguson now have no love for Rudd after he piked out last time.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 09 Jun 2013, 21:14

HBS Guy wrote:No, it is Gillard or Abbott.

Gillard has a strength that Rudd lacks.

You will find Crean and Mar’n Ferguson now have no love for Rudd after he piked out last time.


Your deluded Monk..sorry! She is a cretin...and I will be glad to see that back of her ugly fucking ass.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 21:21

Gillard cleaned up all the messes Rudd left as “too hard” and got massive reforms through, kept the loyalty of Windsor and Oakeshott—not the action of a cretin!

Rudd’s downfall started when he caved in and apologised for the HIP—Julia and Garrett had been absolute rocks defending their programs (BER and HIP) when Rudd caved and apologised!

And it wasn’t Gillard who “knifed” Rudd either—the hard men in the Party and unions did that.

Rudd is busy campaigning for marginal seat MPS and will stick to doing that. If Gillard loses he will have his revenge, if she wins he can get a senior Ministry again.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 22:23

Amen:

Paul Bongiorno ‏@PaulBongiorno 11h
Prediction: a return to Rudd will make Gillard look good when the polls dive again. That's the death spiral.
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Same death spiral NSW ALP went through Iemma > Reed > Kenneally. (Shd have stuck with Reed IMHO)
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby MudGuts » 09 Jun 2013, 22:40

Rees


You are thinking about the fantastic four!


Flame on!




Carr looked good..
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jun 2013, 22:47

Carr was the start of the problems for what I read, didn’t spend on infrastructure. Seems Barry is copying Carr.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2013, 09:14

Well, this latest Ruddstoration crap didn’t last very long.

JGPM will be PM at the end of the 2 last sitting weeks, and after the election—Hollow Man Abbott will be exposed as such in the campaign. This is good. For one, the NBN will continue rolling out at ever increasing speed, boosting business, education and obviating the need to spend $Trns building, staffing and running hospitals and nursing homes since frail Boomers can stay in their own homes with fast, reliable, ubiquitous and redundant optical fibre.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2013, 12:24

Tsk Tsk AG, you attacked the PM in your previous sig using items from this disgustingly sexist menu:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/m ... rd/4748516

Then said she was hypocritical in her misogyny speech.

JGPM more sinned against than sinning.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 13 Jun 2013, 01:36

HBS Guy wrote:Tsk Tsk AG, you attacked the PM in your previous sig using items from this disgustingly sexist menu:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/m ... rd/4748516

Then said she was hypocritical in her misogyny speech.

JGPM more sinned against than sinning.


She is hypocritical...how is she not...she has got large thighs, small breasts etc etc! Are you making a particular point here?

I am not surprised that that description of her found its way onto a menu btw! :bgrin
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2013, 01:41

Where did you get that description from?
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2013, 17:27

What the “cretin” did:

AUSTRALIA IS NOT just a success story — it is an anthology of success stories. Ascendancy in so many areas — all at the same time.

Europeans wish they had these narratives. They would dance in the streets. (Actually, Europeans still dance in the streets, despite everything.) As for Americans and Canadians, they would lap up every word.

But here’s the thing. In Australia these stories are seldom, if ever, told. Not a hint from a Hartcher, not a mention from a Mitchell, not a suggestion from a Sales and not a clue from a Crabb.

Historians will ponder and explore these 15 accomplishments with wonder and delight.

1. The Government of Michael Joseph Savage in New Zealand (1935-40) was recently eclipsed by the Government of Julia Eileen Gillard in Australia for the lowest rate of ministerial sackings due to incompetence or corruption in the Westminster world. Since 1820 anyway. What led to this? Minority government? What else do Michael Joseph and Julia Eileen have in common?

2. Why is Australia now being urged to lead the free world? Australia has been voted to chair the Pacific Islands Forum. Plus next year’s G20 group of the world’s 20 major economies. That’s on top of a seat on the UN Security Council. Everyone wants to sit next to Australia.

3. Why was Prime Minister Gillard given that standing ovation after addressing the US Congress? Traditionally, that honour is reserved for deputy sheriffs who follow Uncle Sam into battle. How has this government managed to strengthen the alliance without supporting a single invasion? What singular advantage has Australia thereby gained?

4. What precisely transformed relations with Indonesia? Australia is no longer the target for embassy killings, nightclub bombings, presidential invective and diplomatic insults. Who was the man who accomplished this? Or was it a woman?



5. How has Australia dealt with the wanton cruelty inflicted upon live sheep and cattle exported to Asia and the Middle East? With what outcomes? And why are bulls being tortured in television reports always named Billy or Bobby and not Brutus or Bozo?

6. Australia now ranks higher than ever before on the economic freedom index published by Washington’s Heritage Foundation. [Mission: “to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.”] Australia’s score is now the highest in the 34-nation OECD. A Labor government? Holy handguns! How did this happen?

7. Australia is one of four countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) to have unemployment below 5.5% and job participation above 75%. Which are the others? What else distinguishes them?

8. Australia is one of only three nations in the OECD and G20 economies with interest rates in the optimum range between 1.75% and 4.75%. Only Australia has maintained this through the global financial crisis. How? What can Australia do now that was never possible before?

9. Australia is the only developed country to have had continuous economic growth for 22 years. Australia and Poland alone among OECD nations avoided recession in 2009. Why just these two? Which other nation is the most envious, and why?

10. Labor productivity is a tricky concept to define and even trickier to get right. It measures the costs of labour and other inputs used to produce things. Low productivity has bedevilled the world for decades, including Australia’s. Until 2011, that is. Suddenly it surged in Australia, rising dramatically for a record seven consecutive quarters. Seven. Wow! What generated this amazing surge? And what will trigger a sudden reversal?



11. Australia has zoomed to the top of the table of well-managed economies. That’s based on all the key variables. Not just in the world now, but anywhere, any time. How? Was it abundant minerals, critical decisions by Treasury, or the sound work of Peter Costello?

12. Speaking of whom, why does Australia always rise up through the ranks during Labor regimes and tumble down during Coalition periods? From 19th in 1983 up to 6th during the Hawke/Keating years, then down to 12th in 2007 under Howard and Costello, then to the very pinnacle in 2010. Who benefits from this cycle?

13. Best economy in the world is creditable enough. Best the world has ever seen is more impressive still. But achieved during the worst global economic crisis since the 1930s? How is this conceivable?

14. Remember when national strikes routinely disrupted train and air travel? Petrol rationing, supermarkets running out of milk and garbage piled in the streets? City intersections clogged most Fridays with demonstrations against the war or the US alliance or the government?

Ah, sweet memories. What brought about this cultural change in Australia – almost alone in the Western world – to have such disruption and discord diminish?

15. Finally, what’s with Canberra’s extraordinary dishonesty differential? A journalist was recently assigned the task of counting all the blatant lies – as distinct from unfulfilled promises – by Australia’s four federal party leaders. He found twelve. That’s a lot for just four leaders. He also found they were all by the one leader. Which one? Why was the research not published?


http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... r-be-told/

If some of this was done/initiated by Rudd—JG has not dropped the ball after caucus/faction leaders knifed Rudd.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby dreamboat » 13 Jun 2013, 17:45

HBS Guy wrote:Well, this latest Ruddstoration crap didn’t last very long.

JGPM will be PM at the end of the 2 last sitting weeks, and after the election—Hollow Man Abbott will be exposed as such in the campaign. This is good. For one, the NBN will continue rolling out at ever increasing speed, boosting business, education and obviating the need to spend $Trns building, staffing and running hospitals and nursing homes since frail Boomers can stay in their own homes with fast, reliable, ubiquitous and redundant optical fibre.



Odd quote, removing all the interspersed bullshit, I read it as "The NBN will be so good that we won't need hospitals anymore"

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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2013, 17:59

Doesn’t say that. Then again I have posted variants of that frequently to Lib fanbois endless times.

Boomers have been reaching age 65 for a couple years now and leaving the workforce (I turned 65 last year) and so by 2016, 2019 they will be in their 70s and I can see them getting osteoporosis, diabetes type II, dementia and whatever else old people get. There will be huge numbers of Boomers retired/retiring over the next whatever number of decades. Looking after their ills as they age and grow frail, sick would be easier if they can stay in their own homes—to treat them in hospitals and/or nursing homes would take a huge amount of expense in building/staffing running said hospitals/nursing homes.

At the same time as the Boomers are ballooning out the retired demographic the working population as a proportion of the total will shrink. How to get those hospitals & nursing homes built & staffed?

With the NBN Boomers can stay in their own home, perform regular tests and send these to their medico, talking over a high def video link when needed.

That clearer?
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 13 Jun 2013, 21:38

dreamboat wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Well, this latest Ruddstoration crap didn’t last very long.

JGPM will be PM at the end of the 2 last sitting weeks, and after the election—Hollow Man Abbott will be exposed as such in the campaign. This is good. For one, the NBN will continue rolling out at ever increasing speed, boosting business, education and obviating the need to spend $Trns building, staffing and running hospitals and nursing homes since frail Boomers can stay in their own homes with fast, reliable, ubiquitous and redundant optical fibre.



Odd quote, removing all the interspersed bullshit, I read it as "The NBN will be so good that we won't need hospitals anymore"

Loopy.

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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby MudGuts » 14 Jun 2013, 18:37

Hospital attendances via day care is crucial. Thommo is right on that score. The NBN home user use is trivial tho..even when you factor in all medical comms etc..


What is being discussed here is a zit on the arse of internet technology usage.


Does medicine cost a lot? Yes, and will eat budgets if not properly administered via a centralised system. If you want to spend/waste money on medicine like in the states, you cling to the private citizen hospital model. I am not even sure Mr Obama is aware of the blow out should the system remain in separate entities and planning. The same goes for education. Get the best bang for the minimum buck.


The NBN cost is trivial as far as an infrastructure like this is concerned and could have been minimised during the nineties. Sure, we could have gotten a super rail transport on the east coast at 9 billion as well... Politicians do see the electorate as something to reward with costly tidbits that turn out to be unnecesary rather than funding for the good of all.


Its a pity we just dont sponsor refugees like in the good old days. When the smart ones even look like fairly emigrating governments change their tune quickly when economies need to be supported. Clearly afghanistan is nowhere near being in the smarts position but as usual Australians such as I love having a bigger economy base.

The next time someone tweets a ridiculous proposal, why dont you challenge them?


If Julia Gillard isnt good enough as a leader who slid 400+ articles under the libs toward the senate, got Gonski rising and nearly up, the NDIS, Carbon Pricing all during a campaign by a ministerial incompetent who is left to vote for?

The ministerial incompetent (better known as the absentee/presentee depending on the day) or a previous prime minister?

Given this week? Only an idiot would challenge her. If Mr Rudd did that, labor would be gone.
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 17 Jun 2013, 21:48

Breaking News !!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Julia Gillard turns away another 7% of voters with her comments against men re: abortion etc.
I mean FUCKING -LOL!
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2013, 21:57

Morgan paints a rather different picture. ER shows no change.

There has been an increase of 2.5% in the ALP vote in one week and a drop of 2.5% in the Coalition vote for a 2PP of 53.5/46.5.
Support by gender is up too after the Sattler interview, with a big increase in support from women and a smaller rise in support from men.
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/feder ... 1306170603

Essential is, as usual, steady on 54/46 with a very small drop for Labor that did not affect the 2PP.
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport


And 20-30% say “no comment/not decided.”

Why do you have it in for Julia so much?
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby Cherie » 17 Jun 2013, 22:02

Because she a selfish egomaniacal bitch who is not fit to run a kennel let alone a country! She is a great go-fer, but that is it. !
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Re: The beginning of the end for Gillard.

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2013, 22:03

People that have met her say very different things: warm, caring, funny etc
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