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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jul 2014, 21:38

Van Badham on war on women’s bodies:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ew=desktop
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby Frances » 25 Jul 2014, 09:01

annielaurie wrote:This article shows the insanity of the conservative religious mindset, in Texas, and some other states too, and it is spreading everywhere in my country now. There is no common sense anymore.


It's not exactly characteristic of normal religion though, is it? It seems to be some sort of strange deviation from what religion is really about.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2014, 09:26

US have Evangelical morons, here we have (mostly) Catholic ones. So goes deeper than type of christianity—I prefer to think of it as a war on science and reason, losers in the advance of technology, of thinking, looking to turn back the clock and control of women figures heavily in that.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby Frances » 25 Jul 2014, 09:43

Catholic morons? Would you care to elaborate on that?
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2014, 09:46

Frances wrote:Catholic morons? Would you care to elaborate on that?

Pyne, Hokey, Andrews, Abbott and a fair chunk of Lib front and back bench.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby Frances » 25 Jul 2014, 09:49

HBS Guy wrote:
Frances wrote:Catholic morons? Would you care to elaborate on that?

Pyne, Hokey, Andrews, Abbott and a fair chunk of Lib front and back bench.


So you're talking about politicians rather than the general populace?
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2014, 09:51

Yeah. As a lapsed Catholic I know most are not extreme.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Jul 2014, 05:16

In the name of god, what idiots in NSW govt are forming policy re abused women and shelters that can take and protect them and set them up for a new life without a violent partner? Giving them to churches? “Going Home Staying Home” a stupid slogan condemning women to perpetual violence?

https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/25/updat ... nist-women’s-refuges
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby Austranger » 26 Jul 2014, 09:28

I read that article with sheer disbelief, one might be forgiven for suspecting that those in power are working to a set agenda, one that aims to wind back ALL the social changes of the last century!
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Jul 2014, 09:45

As I said, there is a real War on Science happening, one that does seek to wind back the clock.

In Texas they are gloating that only five clinics offering abortion will soon be available. The fact that the 40-odd clinics that are closing offer other services like early detection of breast cancer they ignore. And, yes, backstreet abortionists are doing a roaring trade once again, with all the tragedy that entails: hemorrhages, deaths etc.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Mar 2015, 07:08

That over–entitled bitch Pru Goward has wrecked the system of refuges for battered women. PBX had dome good posts on this. Domestic violence—solved by “Going Home and Staying Home” idiocy. Refuges handed over to large organisations incl religious who change refuges for battered women into homeless refuges—different field, different skill set. Skills for dealing with battered women have now been lost as the large organisations took over the refuges and put in their own staff—and skimmed off a nice little earner for “Administration.”

Result?

The womens refuge thing – New Matilda did a great job there, but they tip-toed around the big issue on the mid-north coast – domestic violence involving aboriginal women.

By some miracle the Port Macquarie refuge escaped the purge, gained some extra funding, stayed independent and is carrying on doing the superb job they have done for decades. But the worst fears of the former workers in Kempsey and Taree have been realised – outsiders with no local knowledge and crucially, no understanding of the needs of aboriginal women and their families – have been brought in. There is a large aboriginal population along the mid north coast and sadly domestic violence is rife in that community. A full time aboriginal support worker is a necessity in every womens refuge in this area, but the Samaritans, despite being in charge for over six months, have not got around to employing anyone for the refuges they manage.

They say the funding has remained the same as it was under the old system, but somehow they can’t afford to employ the same number of workers – white or aboriginal. So where has that money gone” Easy answer there. Into the bank account of the Samaritans, who take a percentage of the funding for alleged admin costs and brokerage fees. Before the re-organisation funding went to the small, independent groups who operated refuges and every cent was spent there. Not any more. This has been a sneaky move by the NSW government to allow large organisations, religious and non-religious – to profit at the expense of the people they claim to be helping.

The whole issue is the stupid assumption by a minister – Pru Goward – that domestic violence and homelessness are the same thing. She did not understand there are two very different problems involved, problems that can never be solved by a one-size-fits-all policy. Rules that the Samaritans apply to homeless persons in Newcastle cannot be applied to abused women, especially aboriginal women, in other towns. As for having a male answer the phone at a refuge – words fail me. I cannot being to imagine how horrified some poor woman calling for help must have been to hear it. Surely even the most stupid of Samaritans managers would have understood that males do not, not ever, work in womens refuges, not even just to answer the phone.

Pru Goward’s ‘Going Home Staying Home’ policy has been a disaster and as a reward for implementing it she has been moved to Planning, where she is now able to trash the entire state by allowing open slather for property developers, coal miners, CSG drillers and other big donors to the Liberal Party. Here’s hoping the useless, incompetent, over-entitled botch loses her seat on Saturday.

One more thing. While state and federal politicians play silly buggers, keep slashing funding for domestic violence programs one week and giving some back the next, keep inventing policy changes that destroy existing services and replace them with nothing, keep making extravagant promises and then forget all about them Australian women continue to die at the hands of the men who are supposed to love them. Destroy the Joint on Facebook is counting dead women, they say at least twenty four women have died so far this year, twenty-four. The Guardian is also keeping count, for legal reasons they can’t name every women. They list twenty-two. In just twelve weeks.
http://www.theguardian.com/global/ng-interactive/2015/mar/17/these-women-are-not-statistics-deaths-in-australia-in-2015
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Mar 2015, 19:16

More on the above:'

Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence.

The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut.

But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... m6yhz.html
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Mar 2015, 19:59

Call for enquiry into womens refuges:

https://newmatilda.com/2015/03/27/call- ... ge-changes
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Apr 2015, 21:22

Turned away: desperate search for help ended in death for Leila Alavi
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/turned-away-d ... mdpmj.html

Stupid policy, “Going Home, Staying Home” so expect many more women to be battered to death :sad
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby OldMate » 14 Apr 2015, 00:31

HBS Guy wrote:Kind of puts it in perspective eh?


No. Iis much more complex than A War on Women suggests. Oversimplification of a complex issue results in bad judgment.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 14 Apr 2015, 07:47

Yes, domestic violence is a complex issue.

Domestic violence and workplace injuries/deaths keep on happening and cause more deaths and disabilities than terrorism. That is the perspective I mentioned.

Not sure if DV should be in this thread, might decide to move DV posts to a new thread. The NSW policy Going Home, Staying Home is unadulterated evil tho. DV is control of womens bodies by people other than the women is why I put it here.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 21 Apr 2015, 04:52

Dear god the crap that gets taught in sexed classes is stupid and evil:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technolog ... 7308532464

Read the comments. Commenters are saying abstinence works—sure, if teens stick to abstinence but how often does that happen? Teenage pregnancies and STDs rose in (US) states teaching abstinence!

Did a search and found this:
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The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates, the U.S. government has funded abstinence-only sex education programs for more than a decade. However, a public controversy remains over whether this investment has been successful and whether these programs should be continued. Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates. This trend remains significant after accounting for socioeconomic status, teen educational attainment, ethnic composition of the teen population, and availability of Medicaid waivers for family planning services in each state. These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S. In alignment with the new evidence-based Teen Pregnancy Prevention Initiative and the Precaution Adoption Process Model advocated by the National Institutes of Health, we propose the integration of comprehensive sex and STD education into the biology curriculum in middle and high school science classes and a parallel social studies curriculum that addresses risk-aversion behaviors and planning for the future.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/

More here:
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/compon ... -education

Texas diverts funds from HIV screening program to abstinence–only programs, even tho they are known to not work:
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/ ... n-program/

Heh, I did keep looking and found a site providing evidence abstinence works. Hmmm it only gave evidence (based on what students told the abstinence–only educators) of sexual activity. For some reason teenage pregnancy/STD rates were not given. :roll :bgrin

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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jul 2015, 13:59

Nice article supporting the arguments I have been making re control of women’s bodies—conservatives trying to cram society back into the mould of the 1950s (the most boring decade) despite 70 years of social progress.

It is a damning exposure of the nature of conservatism, the fear and consequent need to control that animates all conservatives—including the Greens. Yes, the Greens are not progressives but conservatives, any objective look at the way they vote, how they often have open HTV or even preference the stinking Libs, shows this. They do need to play to their inner city, progressive base and do that with a lot of posturing but never supporting anything that might hurt their base, like a higher tax etc.

The Greens’ latest outrage was supporting cuts to pensions, plunging lots of female retirees into poverty—note they did not support changes to the super rorts!
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 14 Oct 2015, 04:40

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/barri ... k5dnz.html

And a private member’s Bill will seek to reduce abortion availability in Vic.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 7564301584
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby ele » 26 Oct 2015, 08:35

Afetr listign the other stats above there should be a listing of the number of babies aborted. Then we will truly see who the war is on.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 26 Oct 2015, 16:00

Figures show that where a woman can abort an unwanted baby the families are smaller, closer, there is less delinquency and so on. I do not think there is anything to gain by making abortions illegal again. Already in Texas, where now only 5 clinics offer abortions and womens health services like checking for breast cancer etc etc, backyard abortionists are flourishing again.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby ele » 27 Oct 2015, 16:46

But are abortions declining in number?
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Oct 2015, 19:13

In Texas? Who knows, no stats collected on backyard abortionists.
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Re: Control of womens’s bodies by churches?

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Dec 2015, 10:24

This is a very graphic, frank piece about what laws restricting/forbidding abortion result in. Not just backyard abortions but self–abortions and then the mother gets charge (and at least one jailed for 20 years(!) for attacking her foetus.

This is very similar in the US to the situation before Roe v Wade.

Forbidding abortion does NOT mean abortions don’t happen!
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