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Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby Squire » 15 Feb 2020, 11:26

Watching Djokovic against Federer and Thiem he did display some masterful tennis skills.

However, it appears that his skills are tempered by some mental problems because he lapsed in both games and appeared as if he could be defeated before he took control.

Djokovic has 17 grand slams now, 2 behind Nadal and 3 behind Federer. Djokovic's mental state will determine whether or not he becomes GOAT.

My opinion is that Djokovic has at least two more grand slams in him with his current state of mind. His technical skills appear best in class but his mental skills are lacking. A real champion doesn't give an opponent opportunities after he has got on top.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby Dax » 15 Feb 2020, 13:57

You're kidding, to be number one in the world in anything, requires a mental toughness very few have. That strength is shown when they are faltering, but are able to regroup their minds and win. That takes extreme mental toughness and control, way beyond my ability and most others. Most retire when they realise they have lost that mental edge, Federer is one of the strongest mentally on the courts, but even he is waning as he ages and the thrill and drive slowly dies.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby johnsmith » 15 Feb 2020, 16:34

Djokovic's prblem is that he hasn't been able to get out from under the shadow of Federer and Nadal. At just about any other time in tennis history he would have been considered in a class of his own, but with Federer and Nadal, he's just another good player.

Also, whilst the ranking show he is number one, most people still think Federer and Nadal are better players. It's something Djokovic hasn't been able to escape.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby Squire » 16 Feb 2020, 00:08

johnsmith wrote:Djokovic's prblem is that he hasn't been able to get out from under the shadow of Federer and Nadal. At just about any other time in tennis history he would have been considered in a class of his own, but with Federer and Nadal, he's just another good player.

Also, whilst the ranking show he is number one, most people still think Federer and Nadal are better players. It's something Djokovic hasn't been able to escape.


Djokovic has a winning lead over both Federer and Nadal.

27 to 23 wins against Federer, and 7 to 2 in the last 5 years.
29 to 26 wins against Nadal, and 7 to 3 in the last 5 years.

The record doesn't indicate that Federer and Nadal are better players and indeed the record shows that Djokovic improved his win ratio against both in the last 5 years which exemplifies that he is improving more than Federer and Nadal over time.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby johnsmith » 16 Feb 2020, 20:23

Squire wrote:Djokovic has a winning lead over both Federer and Nadal.

27 to 23 wins against Federer, and 7 to 2 in the last 5 years.
29 to 26 wins against Nadal, and 7 to 3 in the last 5 years.

The record doesn't indicate that Federer and Nadal are better players and indeed the record shows that Djokovic improved his win ratio against both in the last 5 years which exemplifies that he is improving more than Federer and Nadal over time.


that proves my point ... most people who follow tennis but aren't tennis nuts, which is the general population, wouldn't be aware of the stats. The general feeling out there, at least with everyone i talk to, is that federer and nadal were better players, and Djokovic is only winning now because they're getting old. During the Australian open the commentators once even spoke about how he was pissed off he wasn't getting the recognition he felt he deserved.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby Squire » 17 Feb 2020, 11:27

johnsmith wrote:
Squire wrote:Djokovic has a winning lead over both Federer and Nadal.

27 to 23 wins against Federer, and 7 to 2 in the last 5 years.
29 to 26 wins against Nadal, and 7 to 3 in the last 5 years.

The record doesn't indicate that Federer and Nadal are better players and indeed the record shows that Djokovic improved his win ratio against both in the last 5 years which exemplifies that he is improving more than Federer and Nadal over time.


that proves my point ... most people who follow tennis but aren't tennis nuts, which is the general population, wouldn't be aware of the stats. The general feeling out there, at least with everyone i talk to, is that federer and nadal were better players, and Djokovic is only winning now because they're getting old. During the Australian open the commentators once even spoke about how he was pissed off he wasn't getting the recognition he felt he deserved.


The Federer of today would beat the Federer of yesteryear. Note the improvement in his serve-volley game, backhand, and drop shots in recent years.

The Nadal of today is more muscular and stronger than the Nadal of yesteryear and would beat the Nadal of yesteryear. Nadal is another who has improved his backhand and his drop shots are the best.

All three have improved over time, but Djokovic has improved more than the others.
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Re: Djokovic is good but has mental weakness

Postby Squire » 17 Feb 2020, 20:29

It's arguable that Djokovic is already the GOAT.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/novak-djokovic-records-which-may-never-be-broken-atp-tennis-news-2020/

[quoteNovak Djokovic Records Which May Never Be Broken

BY SAMIR SATAM
FEBRUARY 17, 2020

Novak Djokovic is on top of the world these days. In the first week of February, he outlasted Grand Slam aspirant Dominic Thiem in an epic encounter. The Serbian sits as the undisputed King of Australia after extending his record to 8 slams Down Under.

Novak Djokovic the titan
Djokovic also recaptured the World No. 1 spot in the process of lifting the Australian Open. Something that probably wasn’t weighing heavy on his mind so early in the season, but he simply wants it all. You don’t get that good unless you want it all, right?

Djokovic has spent his entire career trying to prove himself as the best. He has come pretty close to proving that he is not just the best, but maybe the best of all time. Look back and you see months and years where his domination knew no bounds. He outclassed the best of the best on the biggest of stages.

With his 8th Major he now inches closer to Rafael Nadal’s 19 and Roger Federer’s 20 with 17 for himself. I have little to no doubt he will break the record for the most grand Slam titles in men’s tennis.

As he is plowing through the tennis records, let’s take a look at some of the records that he already holds and are unlikely to be broken any time soon.

Holder of all 4 Majors on three different surfaces
The record of holding all four Grand Slams, on three different surfaces has to come first in this list. In 2016, Novak Djokovic finally won his first French Open title to complete his career Grand Slam. He also held the other three Majors when he did, meaning he became the very first man in tennis history to hold all Majors on three different surfaces.

If that wasn’t impressive enough, he also had the ATP Tour Finals title in his kitty at the time.

Rod Laver and Don Budge have previously won the Calendar Grand Slam before the Open Era began, meaning they won all four Majors in a single year. In fact, Laver accomplished the feat twice, in 1962 and 1969. However, back then hard courts were not around.

Career Golden Masters
There are a total of 9 Masters titles in a tennis season. Novak sits alone as the only man to have won all the Masters 1000 titles on the ATP World Tour. In the 30 year history of the Masters 1000 series, Djokovic is the only man to do so. It was the Cincinnati Masters that evaded the Serbian for a while, but in 2018, he finally won it to complete his Golden Masters.

Roger Federer has seven of the nine Masters, missing the Monte-Carlo and Rome Masters, both of which are on clay. Rafael Nadal too has seven of the nine, having never won the Miami Open and Paris Masters in his career.

Hat-trick of Sunshine Double
The Sunshine Double is when a player wins the Indian Wells Masters and the Miami Masters in the same season. It is one of the most difficult achievements in tennis. Novak has won the Sunshine Double an unprecedented 4 times in his career. Not only that, the Serb won 3 of those 4 doubles in consecutive years from 2014 to 2016.

Winning it once is a huge ask in itself, winning it four times is near impossible. Highly unlikely anyone will manage to repeat this feat.

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More points than 2nd and 3rd rank
Novak Djokovic was on a mission in 2015 and 2016. He was near invincible until after the Roland Garros. When he did finally lift the French Open title in 2016, his tally of ranking points reached 16,950. This was more than the addition of the No. 2 (Andy Murray 8915 points) and No. 3 (Roger Federer 6655 points) ranked players.

Now that is pure dominance.

Sadly what followed with Novak’s form was inexplicable and remains one of the biggest shocks in sports history.

Most wins against top 10 in a season
In 2015, Djokovic was a titan. He absolutely shredded the top 10 in the world that year with a record 31 victories against them. In that 31 wins, 6 came against Andy Murray, 5 against Federer, 4 against Nadal among others. He had the other nine players shivering with fear with his brilliance.

Fastest ATP Tour Finals qualification
Novak Djokovic went on a 43 match winning streak from the start of the 2011 season. He qualified for the ATP World Tour Finals after just 18 weeks and 6 days!

Unsurprising then that his 2011 season is considered to be one of the greatest seasons in tennis history.

30 consecutive match wins in Majors
During the 2015-16 time period, Djokovic went on a mind-boggling 30 match win streak in Grand Slams. It all started at the 2015 Wimbledon and culminated in the Serb winning the French Open in 2016, to hold all four Majors. Nole finally lost in the third round of the 2016 Wimbledon to Sam Querrey.

Men’s tennis has never seen domination of that degree in the Open Era.

Most elite level titles won in a year
Once again we go back to the year 2015 for an unbelievable record. Djokovic won 10 elite level events in 2015, leaving almost nothing but scraps for all his rivals. The titles included all Majors except Roland Garros, Indian Wells, Miami Masters, Monte-Carlo Masters, Rome Masters, Shanghai Masters, Paris Masters and the ATP World Tour Finals.

Is that a jaw-dropping list or what?] [/quote]
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