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Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 00:03

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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 05:23

I wonder also;

What is there left to push the boundaries about, failing the backlash, which is regressive.

We can't freak our parents out anymore with strange music or interesting fashion choices ... well, not parents in the mainstream anyway.

I joke that the only way my kids could wig me out was live animal sacrifice ... but that's regression, yeah?

So ... what now?

On a whole bunch of levels, what now?

There is no great generational leap left to us. Not one i can think of anyway. There's technology ... but anyone living from the '80s on has born witness to the evolution of that. Not so easily impressed anymore, us humans. Well, at least not for long enough to outweigh our ability to use it.

So maybe ... and here's what i'm hoping for ... the next great leap forward will be in, you know, looking after each other. Feeding the hungry, medicating the unwell, listening to the weeping, housing the homeless ... and stuff like that.

I look at Scandinavia and think we can actually do it.

What other ways do we have left to shock our parents? As a parent ... i can't think of any other way to be shocked.

All that ... or regression wins. Which is more than a little bit into beginning to look like it might.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 05:30

Planetary exploration, manned flight to Mars, a moon settlement.

Quantum computers are here, christ knows what they can do—open up interstellar exploration?

Politically, neoconservatism is the in thing and is regression. Inequality is going to get worse—there could well be revolution unless neoconservatism, that suits the top 10% all too well, can be overturned.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 05:36

HBS Guy wrote:Planetary exploration, manned flight to Mars, a moon settlement.

Quantum computers are here, christ knows what they can do—open up interstellar exploration?

Politically, neoconservatism is the in thing and is regression. Inequality is going to get worse—there could well be revolution unless neoconservatism, that suits the top 10% all too well, can be overturned.



Yeah. Indeed the future is bright, bright, bright.

But what's going to shock us anymore? We're expecting all that. Impatient it's not a reality even.

How does the future generation freak out their parents?

What is left to do but be decent to each other. No more ground needs breaking. Not the initial breaks anyway.

It's one of two ways ... evolution or regression.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 05:39

Being decent to each other would freak out parents. Just look at the bigoted arseholes on OzPol!
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HBS Guy wrote:Being decent to each other would freak out parents. Just look at the bigoted arseholes on OzPol!


But you forget, Ozpol is filled with angry old white men. I'd be one of the youngest people on there (when i'm not indefinitely banned for telling FD he was being a naughty boy) and i'm in my early '40s.

Most of what they say on there utterly baffles me. As it would my peers. In fact my peers, saliently, ask me why i bother when i recount some such anecdote or another. I mean seriously, try explaining Herbie.

And then there's our kids.

And look at the mainstream. Look at something like, say, The Simpsons. What is that saying?

The guys on Ozpol are dying out. They are circled by a few pathetic older women who are desperate enough to lap up any attention thrown their way.

Ozpol is a joke.

Did i stutter, FD? Just in case you're reading or, more likely, having everything said here reported to you by nasty little gnomes.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 06:25

Well, yes, I am 70 and closer to the median OzPol age, I suppose.

I just see fear there, fear of change, fear of the different people/culture/ideas.

Me, I love the new and different, I crave novelty.

I was sitting in the Westfield Marion shopping centre not so long ago, eating a lamb Vindaloo pie, some other person joins us—she was eating a sushi roll. Lovely. I remember the late 50s–early 60s all you could buy for a sweet was a matchstick or a Kitchener bun. Fritz, bung fritz was THE sophisticated meat. Adelaide had ONE half decent Chinese restaurant. I do not want to get back to those days!

I don’t eat sushi much but eat a lot of sashimi, king fish, tuna or salmon, with seaweed salad on the side.

Tonight I am making Thai fish cakes.

I think Muslim women wearing the veil—especially on stinking hot days—is silly, but it adds to the range of culture and as long as nobody wants me to wear a veil I am OK with it. The full burqa is a bit sad, really, has to be repression to make women wear that here!

Love the range, the diversity!
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 07:01

Apologies Monk, if i've offended you. I only mention age more as a representation of era than anything chronological.

I would have put you in your '50ws, if asked to guess.

But yes, diversity. A good thing. Even things we don't understand ... which is what sets you apart from your peers on Ozpol.

Seriously, those are some anachronistic motherfuckers there.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 07:36

Offended me? Hell no.

I just LOVE what is available now, I love the new sights, the new people in the country. I remember the 50s here, who the FUCK would want to go back to those days?

In a year or two I will be living in a small country town in southern Tassie. THAT is going to be a culture shock, I know. Something new, great.
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Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 07:56

Cooked breakfast is coming along, cherry tomatoes roasting, mushrooms cleaned and a bit of EVOO over them, water to poach the duck eggs is hot and strips of pancetta just need to go under the grill for a few minutes to get nice and crispy. Yum—and impossible in the 50s unless you knew of a duck farmer and an Italian shop somewhere.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 08:06

HBS Guy wrote:Offended me? Hell no.

I just LOVE what is available now, I love the new sights, the new people in the country. I remember the 50s here, who the FUCK would want to go back to those days?

In a year or two I will be living in a small country town in southern Tassie. THAT is going to be a culture shock, I know. Something new, great.



Here's the thing though, Monk. You're of the same generation as David Bowie; Bob Dylan' Joni Mitchell' Patti Smith; Jimi Hendrix; and countless other fucking amaxzing people htat have helped shift the status quo to what it is today.

Then yuo have those same sorts of that generation, like my parents (who are good people but oh, so repressed) and all those sad old white guys on Ozpol, who just completely ignored the cultural revolution. And my god how they're stuck. And resentful.

I say it again .. i think i (gen X) am among the last to effectively wig our parents out. Maybe a few Y'ers pulled it off, come to think of it ... but the millennials are presenting little challenge. I think they're, quite fabulously, putting their feet down.

Where is our damn challenge? As a species, i mean. I'm not freaked out by piercings or the Dead Kennedys. i've done teenagerdom all the way through with one kid ... no surprises ... we'll see what the next one has to offer me.

I'm not intimidated though. Not in the slightest.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 08:17

I honestly think this song ... an anthem of my youth ... is now outdated.

I'll copy in the lyrics for you and Aussie:






"Chickenshit Conformist"

Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon

A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter
It's who you know

If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive the bright people out of our so-called scene
Till all that's left is a meaningless fad

Hardcore formulas are dogshit
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label

The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliché
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35

Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everything
By loud fast rules appeal

Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."

[CHORUS]
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents

What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Ripping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?

Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home; it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs

When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queer-bashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war

Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is bullshit
When it's under someone's fat boot

Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anything
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider

Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ourselves

[CHORUS]

That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.

Cock-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?

Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?

Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge

Will the metalheads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?

No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past

[CHORUS]

The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves

The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole

Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks

Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2018, 08:41

Change and caring are what's real


That’s for fucking sure!
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby johnsmith » 02 Feb 2018, 09:26

mothra wrote:But what's going to shock us anymore? We're expecting all that. Impatient it's not a reality even.

How does the future generation freak out their parents?


i wonder just how many generations of parents thought the same thing .... yet the youth always found a way.

I'm sure they'll come up with something. The real question you should be asking yourself is will you be ready for it?
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 09:53

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:But what's going to shock us anymore? We're expecting all that. Impatient it's not a reality even.

How does the future generation freak out their parents?


i wonder just how many generations of parents thought the same thing .... yet the youth always found a way.

I'm sure they'll come up with something. The real question you should be asking yourself is will you be ready for it?


Dude. I've done a teenage girl in the age of technology. Seriously. Hit me with your best shot.

Maybe my son will find a way to challenge me ... but it won;t bethrough hair, piercings, tattoos, music, employment, study opportunities, sexualility or anything else i can think of.

All that's been done.

My argument is all that's left is to cement it.

Any other "rebellion" is regressive.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby johnsmith » 02 Feb 2018, 09:59

hey, I've two young kids so I'm hoping you are right ....


still, I can't help but worry that you are not :? :?
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Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 10:10

johnsmith wrote:hey, I've two young kids so I'm hoping you are right ....


still, I can't help but worry that you are not :? :?



Seriously John. What can they do? (that isn't regressive).

My daughter linked me to this thing on Facebook a week or so back She said "Look Ma, it's you!". It was a father saying this, essentially, but i paraphrase:

"Look, you're of an age now where you may want to think about whether you're a boy or a girl; or whether you're into boy's or girls. Or maybe you're and EMO, or a punk, or a goth, or whatever. I'm 100% behind you. Just don't vote Republican".


I honestly would love someone to come up with something that can wig me out that isn't regressive.

Consider it a challenge. And i've seen cheek spacers.
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby thebattler » 02 Feb 2018, 13:54

what about a penis with a spacer in it like my grandson?
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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby johnsmith » 02 Feb 2018, 13:58

thebattler wrote:what about a penis with a spacer in it like my grandson?



brings tears to my eyes just reading it

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Re: Well, that about sums it up ...

Postby mothra » 02 Feb 2018, 14:12

thebattler wrote:what about a penis with a spacer in it like my grandson?



Regression. Did he have far to fall?
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