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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby Dax » 01 Feb 2020, 05:17

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:Not prepared to make up new names, nothing wrong with the name as it does represent the indigenous respect for natural life. Indigenous peoples of the world, could be classed as nature lovers and carers. Whilst ideological peoples, can only be classed as nature destroyers and they are.

The poms didn't get here first, French, dutch, chinese, Portuguese, Indonesians all came to parts of Aus before the poms and decided to leave it as it was. Then poms came here and started wiping out the people. claiming they were animals, which is exactly how god nutters approach everything on the planet. Take over, wipe out the people and destroy the land, they have done nothing else for over a thousand years and lets not forget their never ending wars contributing to the destruction. Just so they.can claim control and enslavement.

Hold on Dax, all those countries where god nutters….
The dutch found WA and sailed along all the barren land there for days and though they reached the end of the world , found no habitable land and tuned around..They think the Spanish where near the cape as well...
The French came to aus 2 days after the first fleet, hence the name Frenchman's bay.
If any of these European countries had settled in Australia the results to the native population would of been the same if not worse than the English....
Just the Fact the French got there 2 days after the first fleet should tell you something...

Phillip also had to adopt a policy towards the Eora Aboriginal people, who lived around the waters of Sydney Harbour.[2] Phillip ordered that they must be well treated, and that anyone killing Aboriginal people would be hanged. Phillip befriended an Eora man called Bennelong,[2] and later took him to England. On the beach at Manly, a misunderstanding arose and Phillip was speared in the shoulder: but he ordered his men not to retaliate.[41] Phillip went some way towards winning the trust of the Eora, although they remained wary of the settlers. Soon, a virulent disease, smallpox that was believed to be on account of the white settlers, and other European-introduced epidemics, ravaged the Eora population.

Yeah the first governor was a monster..... :purple
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Tasman discovered Tasmania in 1642, then NZ and in 1644 circumnavigated Aus, the french used his charts after that to get to Tasmania before the poms.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 01 Feb 2020, 13:00

Cimitiere? Sorrel?
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby DonDeeHippy » 01 Feb 2020, 18:44

Dax wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:Not prepared to make up new names, nothing wrong with the name as it does represent the indigenous respect for natural life. Indigenous peoples of the world, could be classed as nature lovers and carers. Whilst ideological peoples, can only be classed as nature destroyers and they are.

The poms didn't get here first, French, dutch, chinese, Portuguese, Indonesians all came to parts of Aus before the poms and decided to leave it as it was. Then poms came here and started wiping out the people. claiming they were animals, which is exactly how god nutters approach everything on the planet. Take over, wipe out the people and destroy the land, they have done nothing else for over a thousand years and lets not forget their never ending wars contributing to the destruction. Just so they.can claim control and enslavement.

Hold on Dax, all those countries where god nutters….
The dutch found WA and sailed along all the barren land there for days and though they reached the end of the world , found no habitable land and tuned around..They think the Spanish where near the cape as well...
The French came to aus 2 days after the first fleet, hence the name Frenchman's bay.
If any of these European countries had settled in Australia the results to the native population would of been the same if not worse than the English....
Just the Fact the French got there 2 days after the first fleet should tell you something...

Phillip also had to adopt a policy towards the Eora Aboriginal people, who lived around the waters of Sydney Harbour.[2] Phillip ordered that they must be well treated, and that anyone killing Aboriginal people would be hanged. Phillip befriended an Eora man called Bennelong,[2] and later took him to England. On the beach at Manly, a misunderstanding arose and Phillip was speared in the shoulder: but he ordered his men not to retaliate.[41] Phillip went some way towards winning the trust of the Eora, although they remained wary of the settlers. Soon, a virulent disease, smallpox that was believed to be on account of the white settlers, and other European-introduced epidemics, ravaged the Eora population.

Yeah the first governor was a monster..... :purple
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Tasman discovered Tasmania in 1642, then NZ and in 1644 circumnavigated Aus, the french used his charts after that to get to Tasmania before the poms.

He explored northern Australia from New Guinea he never found the Torres straight , he didn’t circumnavigate. Still doesn’t change the fact that if England didn’t colonize Australia another country would of, unfortunately Australia’s day where numbered. :purple
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby Chuck » 01 Feb 2020, 23:00

Can’t believe that my comment that 'mankind had a need in some form of belief'' that regulated or guided their life.

As a bit of satire!
Jesus taught the Indians the Hindus who passed on their knowledge to the Arab Jews or Christians that the earth is round.

It got to be true, because he is buried in Kashmir :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

This view is based on the belief that Jesus Christ traveled to the East following the crucifixion, a theory based on evidence found in historical documents.
The tomb in question is located in the Roza Bal shrine venerated by Muslims, Christians and Buddhists, The tomb is located in Srinagar, Kashmir, a territory found in the northern subcontinent of India.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby pinkeye » 01 Feb 2020, 23:18

oh dearie me.

Yeah Jesus went to Japan as well. Northern Japan. Yep, that's somewhere else he went.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby Dax » 02 Feb 2020, 09:15

Chuck wrote:Can’t believe that my comment that 'mankind had a need in some form of belief'' that regulated or guided their life.

As a bit of satire!
Jesus taught the Indians the Hindus who passed on their knowledge to the Arab Jews or Christians that the earth is round.

It got to be true, because he is buried in Kashmir :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

This view is based on the belief that Jesus Christ traveled to the East following the crucifixion, a theory based on evidence found in historical documents.
The tomb in question is located in the Roza Bal shrine venerated by Muslims, Christians and Buddhists, The tomb is located in Srinagar, Kashmir, a territory found in the northern subcontinent of India.


You do lack any form of intelligence don't you, never was a jesus, the supposed sage they have buried in Roza Bal, which was built in the 18th century. It's a sunni shrine and cemetery, islam only came along in the 7th century and have been to the shrine. Before that it was a hindu area. According the the caretakers there back in the early 1970's and it's not venerated by anyone, it sits within a hindu province of kashmir. There is not one piece of verifiable or evidence to support the existence of a jesus and the true facts are, the god cult only really started in the 7th century, when they wrote the bibles and koran.

The stories of jesus are a collection of folk stories from the era, which were derived from traveler tales and spread by messenger story tellers who traveled from village to village spreading news and telling stories to entertain the people and earn money.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2020, 10:06

Walked on water the whole way. Once when my feet had blisters I walked on water too. :roll :bgrin

Can we try and stay a little bit On Topic please? I know this board is called Off Topic but that is not an invitation :jump
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby pinkeye » 03 Feb 2020, 01:54

Well , on that front HBS Guy,.... how about giving us a little more info..
I do not claim to understand the significance of those strange particles in Antarctica.
I don't normally read links if there is little or no accompaniment.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Feb 2020, 10:37

OK, here is an extract from the link in the OP:

Three times since 2016, ultra-high-energy particles have blasted up through the ice of Antarctica, setting off detectors in the Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA) experiment, a machine dangling from a NASA balloon far above the frozen surface.


If these particles can’t pass through the earth—maybe they were created high up in the crust by other subatomic particles? Some particles more energetic than the high energy neutrinos?

As to what these even higher energy particles might be—not really a clue, is there?

Maybe there is a very high concentration of fissile uranium (or something similar, unstable elements) creates the particles? Somehow the extreme cold and the enormous pressure of the ice? Or brought up by a volcano under the icesheet?

LOT of question marks. Like in California, east and west Antarctica are moving past each other, creating huge friction.

Or something about the observed high energy neutrinos?
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby DonDeeHippy » 03 Feb 2020, 10:42

Alien or Nazi Underground Nuke Testing :purple
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Feb 2020, 10:52

All this may indeed have something to do with rumored military bases under the ice.

This is all looking at it from the point of view of the standard model. I pointed out the particles may not have passed though the whole flipping planet! I do think they did, but need to consider all possibilities

Now let us assume they did—we now need to call into question the Basic Model. Nothing sacrosanct about it, it was just an attempt to summarise what was known at the time and will still be useful, e.g. in commercialising fusion power stations.

The particles look like ultra high-energy neutrinos. But ultra high-energy neutrinos shouldn't be able to pass through the Earth. That suggests that some other kind of particle — one that's never been seen before — is flinging itself into the cold southern sky.


That makes it pretty clear—the Basic Model is busted, unless the particles were generated under the ice. I don’t really think they were but thought the case for that should be put.

About all that we can conclude, I think.

Particle physics is something fierce, huge number of particles, anti particles with different mass, spin, polarity and charm. I suffered through that part of physics at Uni!
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby Chuck » 03 Feb 2020, 19:12

Dax wrote:
Chuck wrote:As a bit of satire!
Jesus taught the Indians the Hindus who passed on their knowledge to the Arab Jews or Christians that the earth is round.

It got to be true, because he is buried in Kashmir :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


You do lack any form of intelligence don't you, never was a jesus, the supposed sage they have buried in Roza Bal,.......

The stories of jesus are a collection of folk stories from the era, which were derived from traveler tales and spread by messenger story tellers who traveled from village to village spreading news and telling stories to entertain the people and earn money.

So Dreamtime and story telling by Elders is factual, yet according to u, myths, legends or story telling from other civilisation has no validity.

Doesn’t that sound hypocritical too u?

Webmaster, could we have emojis of a fishing rod with a fish on its end, and another of a chef stir a pot?

Maybe such a visual image may sink into some members heads on this web site better than words!

As a bit of satire!
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby Chuck » 03 Feb 2020, 19:29

HBS Guy wrote:All this may indeed have something to do with rumored military bases under the ice......

This is all looking at it from the point of view of the standard model. I pointed out the particles may not have passed though the whole flipping planet! I do think they did, but need to consider all possibilities
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Speculation of military involvement and military base under the ice is on par with my comments about the military involvement in HAARP with weather experiments.

It time time this thread is redirected into Sand-Pit. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Feb 2020, 11:00

It is a serious thread. Not often a whole field of science gets upset.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby karlrand » 04 Feb 2020, 11:17

HBS Guy wrote:It is a serious thread. Not often a whole field of science gets upset.

The realm of sub-atomic physics at this point in time is constantly getting upset.
The physicists who are getting most upset are those dedicated to the notion there must be one, simple, elegant equation to explain everything.
My question to them is why? And why elegant?
Even Einstein, who is still mostly proven correct, refused to believe 'God played dice with the universe'.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Feb 2020, 11:40

Well, the principle of Occam’s razor predisposes scientists to look for simple (simplest explanation.) Where elegance comes from I do not know.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby karlrand » 04 Feb 2020, 14:39

HBS Guy wrote:Well, the principle of Occam’s razor predisposes scientists to look for simple (simplest explanation.) Where elegance comes from I do not know.

But that appears to beg the question, why Occam’s razor? Mathematicians are fond of what they term ‘elegant solutions’ too. Me, I wouldn't recognise elegance in a maths solution even if I was hit over the head with a fibonacci series.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby karlrand » 04 Feb 2020, 14:47

Chuck wrote:Can’t believe that my comment that 'mankind had a need in some form of belief'' that regulated or guided their life.

As a bit of satire!
Jesus taught the Indians the Hindus who passed on their knowledge to the Arab Jews or Christians that the earth is round.

It got to be true, because he is buried in Kashmir :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

This view is based on the belief that Jesus Christ traveled to the East following the crucifixion, a theory based on evidence found in historical documents.
The tomb in question is located in the Roza Bal shrine venerated by Muslims, Christians and Buddhists, The tomb is located in Srinagar, Kashmir, a territory found in the northern subcontinent of India.
Maybe you should write to Barbara Thiering? She’d be fascinated.
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Re: Strange particles from Antarctica baffle boffins

Postby HBS Guy » 04 Feb 2020, 16:19

Mathematics is art, hence elegance. Physicists use a lot of maths: maths-applied maths-mathematical physics-physics hence the idea of elegance fitting in with simplicity I suppose.
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