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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 27 Jul 2018, 16:13

johnsmith wrote:it's such a mundane bumper sticker though. Imagine becoming enraged over that.


To the point of actually ramming me. Not a word of a lie.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby HBS Guy » 27 Jul 2018, 17:09

:WTF you weren’t even asking them to like Muslims or something.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby johnsmith » 27 Jul 2018, 17:44

HBS Guy wrote::WTF you weren’t even asking them to like Muslims or something.

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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Auggie » 27 Jul 2018, 20:12

mothra wrote:I suspect there are many cases in which leniency is performed owing to fear of being perceived to be profiling. I would hasten to add that there are a great many more cases in which profiling is the case.

I think blaming political correctness is hitting the broad side of the barn, don't you?


It could be. I don't honestly don't know.

mothra wrote:We have to look at the big picture. In the lpast few decades, we have been increasingly asked to consider the feelings and sovereignty of brown people, women, disabled people, non-binary people, different religions, etc. For most of history, these groups have been tremendously prejudiced against.

There is still significant negative feeling towards these groups and much of that is new. It stems from those unwilling being forced into behaviours and speech that denotes respect for these groups.

They resent it. Hard.

Now, if at times, the axe falls to the advantage of ill-doing previously marginalised groups, i would look to the behaviour of those marginalising as the causal factor, not the push to be culturally and in other ways sensitive.

It's too easy to claim backlash. It absolves those complicit of all responsibility.


I agree with this point on all counts.

mothra wrote:Let me put it to you this way:

I used to have a bumper sticker that said "Practice random acts of kindness and senseless beauty". I had to take it off because it made people so mad. I actually got rammed once, fortunately, my daughter wasn't inside at the time.

People would hang out their widows to abuse me. Made people absolutely furious. Absolutely fascinated me.


I'm sorry to hear that. I think that anyone who abuses another person because of that is clearly two screws loose.

mothra wrote:I just am a peaceful, non-violent, non-hating, feminist vegetarian who considers all people to have worth and lessons to teach. I reject utterly the notions of superiority and inferiority and believe sincerely that we are all equal


I value many of the peaceful doctrines such as Buddhism and particularly Jain Dharma which teaches Ahimsa (strict non-violence) toward all living things. It's good to learn and practise these doctrines. Of course, all human beings are equal and no one is beneath dignity. What some on the Right argue is that ideas, values and belief systems, or even political systems, institutions are not of equal value and deserve scrutiny. I have no doubt that many people who preach 'culturalism' are closet racists or are trying to pursue a racist agenda under the guise of culture. I also think that there are genuinely non-bigoted people who are able to make a rational and constructive comparison of ideas, values and belief systems. I personally don't believe that criticising a culture is racist or even akin to racism. Now, maybe I'm engaging in 'double-think' here; maybe those two beliefs are contradictory to each other. I don't know.

I travelled around the world and have experienced living overseas, which has only made me appreciate Australia even more. When I was young, I hated this Australia because I believed that we lacked history, culture etc. But, as naive as I was then, I now realise that those things are not important. What's important is security, order, justice, equality and comfort. It's the small things, like people following road rules, or the fact that I can rely on the Ombudsman to resolve issues rather than having to go and beat up the person with whom I have the grievance. We don't have to be as 'animalistic' in Australia because we have a strong state, institutions and bureaucracy; and this is something that I'm proud of. We have what we have today because of hundreds of years of evolution, and millions of lives lost (blood spilt) to achieve this aim.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 28 Jul 2018, 00:04

Auggie wrote:I value many of the peaceful doctrines such as Buddhism and particularly Jain Dharma which teaches Ahimsa (strict non-violence) toward all living things. It's good to learn and practise these doctrines. Of course, all human beings are equal and no one is beneath dignity. What some on the Right argue is that ideas, values and belief systems, or even political systems, institutions are not of equal value and deserve scrutiny. I have no doubt that many people who preach 'culturalism' are closet racists or are trying to pursue a racist agenda under the guise of culture. I also think that there are genuinely non-bigoted people who are able to make a rational and constructive comparison of ideas, values and belief systems. I personally don't believe that criticising a culture is racist or even akin to racism. Now, maybe I'm engaging in 'double-think' here; maybe those two beliefs are contradictory to each other. I don't know.




I'm not sure i'm presenting what i mean clearly.

I reject the terms superior and inferior.

I accept that there are social and behavioural ideals that ought be encouraged and problematic ones which should be turned away from. I believe that objective scrutiny and analysis is the path to achieving this.

It's just that there is good and bad everywhere. It is all relative and subjective.

I would not even call Sweden (which i value highly as a society) superior the the KSA. I would. rather, say that Sweden operates more efficiently and takes better care of all of it's citizens while i fight the human rights abuses in the KSA. I do not know enough about the art, mythology, cuisine, familial ties and values, connection with the environment or a thousand other things that can be culturally compared about the two nations to be happy with labelling one superior to the other. I certainly know where i would prefer to live but i don't speak for everyone. It is not for me to tell someone they're cultures values depend upon outside analysis. There is simply too much to culture.

If we are clever, we will be as eclectic as possible ... and yes, i can feel you about to interject with the argument that therefore eclecticism is "superior". I can only say that that is not the word i would use. That i would ever use. It's just too heavy. Too laden with arbitrary value.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Sprintcyclist » 28 Jul 2018, 02:01

mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:I value many of the peaceful doctrines such as Buddhism and particularly Jain Dharma which teaches Ahimsa (strict non-violence) toward all living things. It's good to learn and practise these doctrines. Of course, all human beings are equal and no one is beneath dignity. What some on the Right argue is that ideas, values and belief systems, or even political systems, institutions are not of equal value and deserve scrutiny. I have no doubt that many people who preach 'culturalism' are closet racists or are trying to pursue a racist agenda under the guise of culture. I also think that there are genuinely non-bigoted people who are able to make a rational and constructive comparison of ideas, values and belief systems. I personally don't believe that criticising a culture is racist or even akin to racism. Now, maybe I'm engaging in 'double-think' here; maybe those two beliefs are contradictory to each other. I don't know.




I'm not sure i'm presenting what i mean clearly.

I reject the terms superior and inferior.

I accept that there are social and behavioural ideals that ought be encouraged and problematic ones which should be turned away from. I believe that objective scrutiny and analysis is the path to achieving this.

It's just that there is good and bad everywhere. It is all relative and subjective.

I would not even call Sweden (which i value highly as a society) superior the the KSA. I would. rather, say that Sweden operates more efficiently and takes better care of all of it's citizens while i fight the human rights abuses in the KSA. I do not know enough about the art, mythology, cuisine, familial ties and values, connection with the environment or a thousand other things that can be culturally compared about the two nations to be happy with labelling one superior to the other. I certainly know where i would prefer to live but i don't speak for everyone. It is not for me to tell someone they're cultures values depend upon outside analysis. There is simply too much to culture.

If we are clever, we will be as eclectic as possible ... and yes, i can feel you about to interject with the argument that therefore eclecticism is "superior". I can only say that that is not the word i would use. That i would ever use. It's just too heavy. Too laden with arbitrary value.



Where would you rather lives Sweden or the KSA ?
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 28 Jul 2018, 02:22

Sprintcyclist wrote:
Where would you rather lives Sweden or the KSA ?


Me? Sweden. I said that. Was i unclear?
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Sprintcyclist » 28 Jul 2018, 02:59

Yes, almost everyone would agree Sweden is better than the KSA
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 28 Jul 2018, 03:15

Sprintcyclist wrote:Yes, almost everyone would agree Sweden is better than the KSA


Better in which ways?

Better by whose standards?

Donald Trumps?
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Sprintcyclist » 28 Jul 2018, 04:04

mothra wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:Yes, almost everyone would agree Sweden is better than the KSA


Better in which ways?

Better by whose standards?

Donald Trumps?


better by your standards. you would rather live there.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 28 Jul 2018, 04:07

Sprintcyclist wrote:
mothra wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:Yes, almost everyone would agree Sweden is better than the KSA


Better in which ways?

Better by whose standards?

Donald Trumps?


better by your standards. you would rather live there.
me too


And yet, much of what you espouse is more akin to Saudi values than those of Sweden.

If Saudi Arabia was white and Christian, you'd love it.

I think what Sweden generally stands for disgusts you.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 28 Jul 2018, 04:19

I should qualify. I do not mean that as an accusation, rather a statement of fact.

I disagree you with you strongly, Sprint. On most things. But you are honest. I respect that about you.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby johnsmith » 28 Jul 2018, 09:24

Sprintcyclist wrote:Yes, almost everyone would agree Sweden is better than the KSA


that's because of the swedish girls ..... have you seen any in bikini's? :hot :hot :hot :hot


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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby HBS Guy » 28 Jul 2018, 09:37

Even Sauidi is improving—women can drive there now. That is an improvement and it is inevitably going to lead to more positive changes.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Auggie » 29 Jul 2018, 21:02

mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:I value many of the peaceful doctrines such as Buddhism and particularly Jain Dharma which teaches Ahimsa (strict non-violence) toward all living things. It's good to learn and practise these doctrines. Of course, all human beings are equal and no one is beneath dignity. What some on the Right argue is that ideas, values and belief systems, or even political systems, institutions are not of equal value and deserve scrutiny. I have no doubt that many people who preach 'culturalism' are closet racists or are trying to pursue a racist agenda under the guise of culture. I also think that there are genuinely non-bigoted people who are able to make a rational and constructive comparison of ideas, values and belief systems. I personally don't believe that criticising a culture is racist or even akin to racism. Now, maybe I'm engaging in 'double-think' here; maybe those two beliefs are contradictory to each other. I don't know.




I'm not sure i'm presenting what i mean clearly.

I reject the terms superior and inferior.

I accept that there are social and behavioural ideals that ought be encouraged and problematic ones which should be turned away from. I believe that objective scrutiny and analysis is the path to achieving this.

It's just that there is good and bad everywhere. It is all relative and subjective.

I would not even call Sweden (which i value highly as a society) superior the the KSA. I would. rather, say that Sweden operates more efficiently and takes better care of all of it's citizens while i fight the human rights abuses in the KSA. I do not know enough about the art, mythology, cuisine, familial ties and values, connection with the environment or a thousand other things that can be culturally compared about the two nations to be happy with labelling one superior to the other. I certainly know where i would prefer to live but i don't speak for everyone. It is not for me to tell someone they're cultures values depend upon outside analysis. There is simply too much to culture.

If we are clever, we will be as eclectic as possible ... and yes, i can feel you about to interject with the argument that therefore eclecticism is "superior". I can only say that that is not the word i would use. That i would ever use. It's just too heavy. Too laden with arbitrary value.


Then, are we not to make value judgements on different countries and societies?? For e.g. is Sweden operating more efficiently and taking better care of its citizens a better set of values, beliefs and institutions than Saudi Arabia???

To what extent do beliefs, values and systems impact people?? Does everyone share the same values or are there different value systems in different places??? We've seen over the past 100 years ideologies (of all kinds) that do not align with what we experience in Australia today.

Do societies develop differently? Are some societies more efficient and conducive to the well-being of their citizens than others? If so, why and how?

These are all questions which many people ask and are looking for answers.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby mothra » 30 Jul 2018, 17:49

Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Auggie » 30 Jul 2018, 18:13

mothra wrote:Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?


Of course. And I think the problem can be that people often speak in absolute terms. Nothing is ALL bad or ALL good. When some people on the Right criticise culture they are making a claim about the general aggregate of the good things about that vs the bad things about that culture.

Yes, I concede that many use culturalism to propagate racist views. Valkie, for example, claims he’s not racist but his language about the indigenous peoples, and Muslims indicates an extreme conflation of culture with race, or purely racism itself. Grendel is someone is more toned down than Valkie but some of his language indicates a racialist element to it.

I personally would like to think that I don’t hold the same innate views as those on OzPol and take a ‘moderate’ approach to culturalism; but I could be wrong: maybe I do hold implicit bias.
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Sprintcyclist » 31 Jul 2018, 21:29

mothra wrote:Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?


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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby johnsmith » 31 Jul 2018, 21:33

Sprintcyclist wrote:
mothra wrote:Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?


Nah


Do you apply that standard to your own culture?
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

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johnsmith wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:
mothra wrote:Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?


Nah


Do you apply that standard to your own culture?


Nah
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby HBS Guy » 31 Jul 2018, 23:10

Man of one word is Sprint :bgrin
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby johnsmith » 31 Jul 2018, 23:57

Sprintcyclist wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:
mothra wrote:Can't you see the difference between judging aspects of a culture and judging the culture itself?


Nah


Do you apply that standard to your own culture?


Nah


I didn't think so
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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

Postby Sprintcyclist » 02 Aug 2018, 08:32

HBS Guy wrote:Man of one word is Sprint :bgrin


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Re: Cracking Nazi Skulls?

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