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The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 17:52

The truth about men and murder

A ground-breaking new report on murder in Australia has provided overwhelming proof of the gendered nature of domestic and family violence.

The report shows that men commit more than 80 per cent of murders between couples who have a history of domestic violence. The overwhelming majority of those men had a history of abusing the women they ultimately killed.

In the 20 per cent of murders committed by women, over two-thirds were women killing men who had been abusing them. Of the 152 murders examined by the report only two cases were found where a woman killed a man she had a history of abusing.

Fiona McCormack, CEO of Domestic Violence Victoria, says it is vital to recognise how gender is a factor in family violence.

“The fact that family violence is primarily perpetrated by men and overwhelmingly experienced by women and children can be a deeply uncomfortable truth, but unless we have the courage as a community to look at why it is that some men choose to perpetrate violence, we’ll never be able to fix this,’’ she said.

Until now, the Personal Safety Survey has been the primary data on violence in Australia. It is a detailed data set, but it relies on people’s memories and perceptions of the violence they have experienced and what they are willing or able to share with people conducting the survey.

These responses are extrapolated on robust statistical principles and provide a very good indication of how Australians experience violence, but it is not verifiable fact.

The report released last week by the Australian Domestic and Family Violence Death Review Network is not based on statistics. It’s a detailed examination of 152 intimate partner murders between 2010 and 2014 where there was credible information showing a history of violence prior to the murder.

Information was collected from the Coroner’s Courts, police investigations, court proceedings and inquest findings. The results prove that domestic violence, in its most dangerous form, is overwhelmingly committed by men against women.

More than one-third of the murders committed by men occurred after the relationship had ended and nearly a quarter of the women killed had Domestic Violence Orders against their killer at the time of the murder.

At least 107 children lost a parent to murder, and alcohol was involved in around half of all the killings.

This is the first report from the Death Review Network. As its work continues it will expand the data to include intimate-partner murders where there was no previous history of violence as well as murders between other types of family relationships.

Experts believe this will expand understanding of domestic violence homicides and how gender impacts lives lost to family violence.

Australia has about one murder per 100,000 people each year. This is compared to America, at around five per 100,000 and South Africa, at 34 per 100,000.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-truth-about-men-and-murder-20180602-p4zj3g.html
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 17:59

And feel free to post this on Ozpol. Grappler and Gnads will go off like frogs in socks.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby greggerypeccary » 05 Jun 2018, 18:01

mothra wrote:And feel free to post this on Ozpol. Grappler and Gnads will go off like frogs in socks.


They'll blame Islam.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Jun 2018, 18:04

Done! I was diplomatic about it. Well, no, I wasn’t.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 18:06

HBS Guy wrote:Done! I was diplomatic about it. Well, no, I wasn’t.



LOL! I saw ... thanks :bgrin

You just watch it set them offffffffffffff.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Jun 2018, 18:11

I thought Gordy might go off his nut again “circumventing a ban.”
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 18:16

HBS Guy wrote:I thought Gordy might go off his nut again “circumventing a ban.”


Two for the price of one!
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby johnsmith » 05 Jun 2018, 19:06

men commit most murder .... well derrrr. I kinda assumed that was a given


I wouldn't mind seeing the stats on another variable in all this. Of the 80% of men who murdered, how many were under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time they committed the crime?

And before anyone starts, No, it's not an excuse, I'm just curious
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 19:50

johnsmith wrote:men commit most murder .... well derrrr. I kinda assumed that was a given


I thought that too. Once upon a time.


johnsmith wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing the stats on another variable in all this. Of the 80% of men who murdered, how many were under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time they committed the crime?

And before anyone starts, No, it's not an excuse, I'm just curious



It's often involved, if not at the time of the actual death but in the mix of the relationship.

The most dangerous time is immediately after she gets away. For kids too.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby johnsmith » 05 Jun 2018, 20:06

mothra wrote:The most dangerous time is immediately after she gets away. For kids too.


I've had first hand experience at that with my parents.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 20:11

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:The most dangerous time is immediately after she gets away. For kids too.


I've had first hand experience at that with my parents.


I'm so sorry. It's tough to grow up in that. And there sure as hell weren't the inadequate services and support back then for people.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Jun 2018, 20:18

My Dad saw enough violence in his life before I was born. He enjoyed the gentle touch of females (daughter and later a grand daughter) styling his his hair. Scraping up what is left of workmates after a thousand pound bomb exploded before they sought out the bomb shelter did that I guess. Can’t imagine what he went through.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby johnsmith » 05 Jun 2018, 20:21

mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:The most dangerous time is immediately after she gets away. For kids too.


I've had first hand experience at that with my parents.


I'm so sorry. It's tough to grow up in that. And there sure as hell weren't the inadequate services and support back then for people.



women's housing were wonderful. Given the state mum was in, they even let me come and go from the women's refuge at will, because they saw that it helped mum feel more comfortable. A battered wife who barely spoke english. I was in my early 20's at the time and according to them men were usually prohibited. They made an exception for me and they really looked after mum. Over and above what their position required of them.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 20:26

HBS Guy wrote:My Dad saw enough violence in his life before I was borne. He enjoyed the gentle touch of females (daughter and later a grand daughter) styling his his hair. Scraping up what is left of workmates after a thousand pound bomb exploded before they sought out the bomb shelter didaag that I guess. Can’t imagine what he went through.


I think when you go through extreme situations like your father, it changes who you are. The ideal is that it makes you more loving and compassionate. At least that's what i think we all should strive for. Some people, of course just perpetuate violence and anger afterwards ... and there's generations brought up by people all over the spectrum of exposure to extremity.

I'm glad your dad took the higher road Monk.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 20:30

johnsmith wrote:women's housing were wonderful. Given the state mum was in, they even let me come and go from the women's refuge at will, because they saw that it helped mum feel more comfortable. A battered wife who barely spoke english. I was in my early 20's at the time and according to them men were usually prohibited. They made an exception for me and they really looked after mum. Over and above what their position required of them.



I'm so pleased to hear it. A horrible ordeal for you all made more bearable. A man even being given the address to a safe house is a rare honour. I wish such considerations could be made more often ... but some women are just terrified of men.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

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HBS Guy wrote:My Dad saw enough violence in his life before I was borne. He enjoyed the gentle touch of females (daughter and later a grand daughter) styling his his hair. Scraping up what is left of workmates after a thousand pound bomb exploded before they sought out the bomb shelter didaag that I guess. Can’t imagine what he went through.


my old man missed the war. Born 1945. But he grew up with 4 brothers, and for a large part of his youth his father was absent (overseas working). As a result he constantly had to prove he was a man, not just against his brothers but against the whole village where men ruled and women did what they were told. He was always fighting against the world. His mother only reinforced that rule (especially against her evil daughter in laws :roll ). Once they moved here they were treated as outcasts, they were 'the wogs', which only reinforced the idea that he v's everyone else, except his brothers, they would defend each other no matter what. One even went to jail for stabbing someone who had attacked his younger brother.

Stubborn old prick (and I mean that in an endearing way) still hasn't changed. The only reason he's bearable now is because he's to old to keep fighting.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby johnsmith » 05 Jun 2018, 20:37

mothra wrote:
I'm so pleased to hear it. A horrible ordeal for you all made more bearable. A man even being given the address to a safe house is a rare honour. I wish such considerations could be made more often ... but some women are just terrified of men.


not only was I given limited access to the refuge, but once they placed her in temporary housing, I was allowed to live in the house with mum. In an effort to try and help mum with her self esteem they hired her to clean other 'womens housing homes' (and their office) when they became vacant and used to send me the various addresses so that I could take her there. The refuge I could only go to the office, and at particular times because they didn't want me to run into women who were terrified. I was cool with that.

In many ways it worked. It got mum out of her shell.

in my opinion the women who work in that industry all deserve a medal
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Postby HBS Guy » 05 Jun 2018, 20:59

The Libs have closed so many of those specialised DV refuges. NSW Libs had a truly evil policy: Going Home and Staying Home, until carried out in a pine box I suppose.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby Aussie » 05 Jun 2018, 22:09

I am sorry to read all that, Mr Smith.

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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby mothra » 05 Jun 2018, 22:14

Not only are you a good son to your mother, you are a good husband and father too ... despite not having the greatest role model.

You've broken the cycle. You should be very proud of yourself.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

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mothra wrote:Not only are you a good son to your mother, you are a good husband and father too ... despite not having the greatest role model.

You've broken the cycle. You should be very proud of yourself.


Hear hear! Very true!
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby johnsmith » 05 Jun 2018, 23:46

Aussie wrote:I am sorry to read all that, Mr Smith.

:rose :hlo :rose


no need. Was a long time ago. I've long moved past it.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

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mothra wrote:Not only are you a good son to your mother, you are a good husband and father too ... despite not having the greatest role model.

You've broken the cycle. You should be very proud of yourself.



It's never ever once crossed my mind to hit my wife during any argument. I don't understand why anyone would.
If you're that upset, just go for a walk.
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby pinkeye » 06 Jun 2018, 01:36

yes I understand that .. wish more folk felt the same way. :thumb
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Re: The truth about men and murder

Postby HBS Guy » 06 Jun 2018, 06:58

mothra wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:My Dad saw enough violence in his life before I was borne. He enjoyed the gentle touch of females (daughter and later a grand daughter) styling his his hair. Scraping up what is left of workmates after a thousand pound bomb exploded before they sought out the bomb shelter didaag that I guess. Can’t imagine what he went through.


I think when you go through extreme situations like your father, it changes who you are. The ideal is that it makes you more loving and compassionate. At least that's what i think we all should strive for. Some people, of course just perpetuate violence and anger afterwards ... and there's generations brought up by people all over the spectrum of exposure to extremity.

I'm glad your dad took the higher road Monk.


His home life after his father died and his Mum took up with a “fancy man” was not good either—fancy man got drunk and abusive. When he was courting Mum he looked on her home as a haven of peace. He never talked much about either war or his homelife.
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