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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 11:50

There needs to be forced compliance.


What do you mean?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 11:56

Are you saying that you don't know what 'forced compliance' means?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 11:58

Miranda wrote:Are you saying that you don't know what 'forced compliance' means?


I thought it best you tell me what you meant by that expression before I answered what you posted. So......what do you mean?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 12:11

forced - obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power.
compliance - the action or fact of complying with a wish or command.

Does that help you?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 12:15

Then, this statement:

There needs to be forced compliance.


........is incorrect.

What if there is no compliance? What if there were other states of mind involved, eg a drugged or drunk or otherwise comatose victim? What of incapacity to consent but otherwise compliance?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 12:51

Aussie wrote:Then, this statement:

There needs to be forced compliance.


........is incorrect.

What if there is no compliance? What if there were other states of mind involved, eg a drugged or drunk or otherwise comatose victim? What of incapacity to consent but otherwise compliance?


Miranda wrote:
mothra wrote:
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Kunning wrote: I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex


nope, sex without consent is called rape. Doesn't matter if it's good sex or not


What he said.


'The sex was good, But because I said 'No', I've brought rape charges against her.'

John and Mothra, I think there is more to rape than issues relating to consent. There needs to be forced compliance.


forced - obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power.

Then the victim has been coerced and incapable of consent.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 13:14

And what if there is continued resistance, i.e. no compliance, forced or otherwise?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 13:30

Aussie wrote:And what if there is continued resistance, i.e. no compliance, forced or otherwise?


I don't know what you mean.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 13:36

The victim fights/resists during the whole event. That is....there is zero compliance, forced or otherwise.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 14:03

Aussie wrote:The victim fights/resists during the whole event. That is....there is zero compliance, forced or otherwise.


Then their is no consent!

I used the term 'forced compliance' to ensure that people who comply, without fighting back are still to viewed as rape victims. Some people don't know how to fight back!
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 14:10

Miranda wrote:
Aussie wrote:The victim fights/resists during the whole event. That is....there is zero compliance, forced or otherwise.


Then their is no consent!

I used the term 'forced compliance' to ensure that people who comply, without fighting back are still to viewed as rape victims. Some people don't know how to fight back!


You said:

John and Mothra, I think there is more to rape than issues relating to consent. There needs to be forced compliance.


So, you agree......forced compliance is not an essential element of every rape.

How about purchased compliance? That person has complied and did not fight back. A victim of rape, you say?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 14:40

Aussie wrote:
Miranda wrote:
Aussie wrote:The victim fights/resists during the whole event. That is....there is zero compliance, forced or otherwise.


Then their is no consent!

I used the term 'forced compliance' to ensure that people who comply, without fighting back are still to viewed as rape victims. Some people don't know how to fight back!


You said:

John and Mothra, I think there is more to rape than issues relating to consent. There needs to be forced compliance.


So, you agree......forced compliance is not an essential element of every rape.

How about purchased compliance? That person has complied and did not fight back. A victim of rape, you say?


No! It must be forced compliance. Sometimes it is the threat of violence that forces compliance, without it being acted on.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 14:43

What is purchased compliance?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 14:52

Miranda wrote:What is purchased compliance?


Person A: 'How about a root?'

Person B: 'No way. Go away. I want nothing to do with you. You are a pig. I refuse.'

Person A: 'How about a root if I give you $10.00?'

Person B: 'Okay. Yuk.'
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 16:30

Soliciting for sex, outside the confines of a registered brothel is illegal and nothing to do with rape.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jun 2018, 16:49

Miranda wrote:Soliciting for sex, outside the confines of a registered brothel is illegal and nothing to do with rape.


so? is it rape or not?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 17:08

Not enough information to say.
We dont know how old the people are or if they are of sound mind.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jun 2018, 17:09

Miranda wrote:Not enough information to say.
We dont know how old the people are or if they are of sound mind.


why are you running from your own argument?

Assume they're of legal age and of sound mind.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Miranda » 25 Jun 2018, 17:23

johnsmith wrote:
Miranda wrote:Not enough information to say.
We dont know how old the people are or if they are of sound mind.


why are you running from your own argument?

Assume they're of legal age and of sound mind.


Then it is not rape because there is consent from both people to have sex for money. And since they are of sound mind, they are engaged in Solicitation, so accountable to the law.
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Kunning » 25 Jun 2018, 19:53

Aussie wrote:And what if there is continued resistance, i.e. no compliance, forced or otherwise?


You mean like Big Hole?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 25 Jun 2018, 20:33

Kunning wrote:
Aussie wrote:And what if there is continued resistance, i.e. no compliance, forced or otherwise?


You mean like Big Hole?


Ah!
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Bongalong » 26 Jun 2018, 15:02

Aussie wrote:
Miranda wrote:What is purchased compliance?


Person A: 'How about a root?'

Person B: 'No way. Go away. I want nothing to do with you. You are a pig. I refuse.'

Person A: 'How about a root if I give you $10.00?'

Person B: 'Okay. Yuk.'

How much is alcohol these days?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Bongalong » 26 Jun 2018, 15:06

mothra wrote:As for Headspace and the 10 visits, you've gotta be pretty lucky to pull that off. It's usually 6. 10 with a mental health plan ... in this state anyway.


It's not their one on one counselling that so impresses me though. It's all the other stuff they do. They really get behind the kid.

I thought some of those things went to 3 times 6 if necessary before other avenues were looked at!
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Aussie » 26 Jun 2018, 15:10

Bongalong wrote:
mothra wrote:As for Headspace and the 10 visits, you've gotta be pretty lucky to pull that off. It's usually 6. 10 with a mental health plan ... in this state anyway.


It's not their one on one counselling that so impresses me though. It's all the other stuff they do. They really get behind the kid.

I thought some of those things went to 3 times 6 if necessary before other avenues were looked at!


Can you re-size your avatar so it takes up less page space?
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Re: Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

Postby Bongalong » 26 Jun 2018, 15:21

Aussie wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
mothra wrote:As for Headspace and the 10 visits, you've gotta be pretty lucky to pull that off. It's usually 6. 10 with a mental health plan ... in this state anyway.


It's not their one on one counselling that so impresses me though. It's all the other stuff they do. They really get behind the kid.

I thought some of those things went to 3 times 6 if necessary before other avenues were looked at!


Can you re-size your avatar so it takes up less page space?

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