Germaine Greer: 'Most rape is just bad sex'

[johnsmith]

There are actually a lot of guys out there who think that ‘slapping the sheila around a bit’ is ok.

you mean it's not?


(I suspect things are going to heat up here)

Of course it's not OK.

what about the other way around? my wife hits me all the time .... I encourage it.

Well, there are incidents where the woman is the perpetrator of domestic violence. They are a minority of cases.

relax, i was kidding ..... geeez

[Auggie]

There are actually a lot of guys out there who think that ‘slapping the sheila around a bit’ is ok.

you mean it's not?


(I suspect things are going to heat up here)

Of course it's not OK.

what about the other way around? my wife hits me all the time .... I encourage it.

Well, there are incidents where the woman is the perpetrator of domestic violence. They are a minority of cases.

relax, i was kidding ..... geeez

Apologies.

[mothra]

Don't apologise to him, Auggie. He's a very naughty boy.

[MilesAway]

You seriously can’t believe what you’ve just said!

i worry about the sort of people he hangs around with if that's his experience

Caesar is pretending woman don't make mistakes where as family knows they do!

YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FAMILY!



Caesar is pretending woman don't make mistakes where as family knows they do!

YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FAMILY!




Caesar is pretending woman don't make mistakes where as family knows they do!

YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FAMILY!




Caesar is pretending woman don't make mistakes where as family knows they do!

YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FAMILY!










Caesar is pretending woman don't make mistakes where as family knows they do!

YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FAMILY!

[MilesAway]

(PLURAL, of course )

[HBS Guy]

You got told off by Booby you spammer you DRAH! Ban if you keep going!

[johnsmith]

Don't apologise to him, Auggie. He's a very naughty boy.

i was waiting for your potato peeler

[MilesAway]

You got told off by Booby you spammer you DRAH! Ban if you keep going!

I have been through shite mate!

[mothra]

Don't apologise to him, Auggie. He's a very naughty boy.

i was waiting for your potato peeler

I've sent it in the post to your wife. Should be there any day.

[johnsmith]

Don't apologise to him, Auggie. He's a very naughty boy.

i was waiting for your potato peeler

I've sent it in the post to your wife. Should be there any day.

it'll join the others in the drawer, as long as you don't send an instructional video I'll be fine

[Kunning]

I like everything about Greer. She's a complete iconoclast. For the most part, I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex - the sort of sex Greer complained about Australian men back in the 70s.

Sex is now rigidly policed. We've gone from never mentioning it to bringing the police into it. I know a 15 year old girl who sleeps around with 20-something men. After every sexual act, she asks to borrow someone's phone and sobs them into the police. These guys, all of them intellectually disabled, cop the arrests and the AVOs in silence. They just do what they're told. Say this, sign this, jail.

Greer was a champion back in the 70s, and she's a champion now. She has never given up thinking independently. She'd get sacked from most of the jobs I've done for speaking her mind.

Good on her.

[HBS Guy]

She is just trying to get attention in her twilight years.

[johnsmith]

I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex

nope, sex without consent is called rape. Doesn't matter if it's good sex or not

[mothra]

I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex

nope, sex without consent is called rape. Doesn't matter if it's good sex or not

What he said.

[mothra]

I like everything about Greer. She's a complete iconoclast. For the most part, I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex - the sort of sex Greer complained about Australian men back in the 70s.

Sex is now rigidly policed. We've gone from never mentioning it to bringing the police into it. I know a 15 year old girl who sleeps around with 20-something men. After every sexual act, she asks to borrow someone's phone and sobs them into the police. These guys, all of them intellectually disabled, cop the arrests and the AVOs in silence. They just do what they're told. Say this, sign this, jail.

Greer was a champion back in the 70s, and she's a champion now. She has never given up thinking independently. She'd get sacked from most of the jobs I've done for speaking her mind.

Good on her.

Interesting. And do you also agree with her that rape is a victimless crime and should be decriminalised?

[mothra]

And i'm a little taken aback at your analysis of the 15 year old girl. There is something clearly very wrong there.

[johnsmith]

I like everything about Greer. She's a complete iconoclast. For the most part, I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex - the sort of sex Greer complained about Australian men back in the 70s.

Sex is now rigidly policed. We've gone from never mentioning it to bringing the police into it. I know a 15 year old girl who sleeps around with 20-something men. After every sexual act, she asks to borrow someone's phone and sobs them into the police. These guys, all of them intellectually disabled, cop the arrests and the AVOs in silence. They just do what they're told. Say this, sign this, jail.

Greer was a champion back in the 70s, and she's a champion now. She has never given up thinking independently. She'd get sacked from most of the jobs I've done for speaking her mind.

Good on her.

Interesting. And do you also agree with her that rape is a victimless crime and should be decriminalised?

you know what'll happen the same day it is decriminalised, right?

[DonDeeHippy]

Sounds like bs to me.........

[Kunning]

I like everything about Greer. She's a complete iconoclast. For the most part, I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex - the sort of sex Greer complained about Australian men back in the 70s.

Sex is now rigidly policed. We've gone from never mentioning it to bringing the police into it. I know a 15 year old girl who sleeps around with 20-something men. After every sexual act, she asks to borrow someone's phone and sobs them into the police. These guys, all of them intellectually disabled, cop the arrests and the AVOs in silence. They just do what they're told. Say this, sign this, jail.

Greer was a champion back in the 70s, and she's a champion now. She has never given up thinking independently. She'd get sacked from most of the jobs I've done for speaking her mind.

Good on her.

Interesting. And do you also agree with her that rape is a victimless crime and should be decriminalised?

No, but many of the things they're calling rape and abuse these days don't stack up.

[Kunning]

I like everything about Greer. She's a complete iconoclast. For the most part, I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex - the sort of sex Greer complained about Australian men back in the 70s.

Sex is now rigidly policed. We've gone from never mentioning it to bringing the police into it. I know a 15 year old girl who sleeps around with 20-something men. After every sexual act, she asks to borrow someone's phone and sobs them into the police. These guys, all of them intellectually disabled, cop the arrests and the AVOs in silence. They just do what they're told. Say this, sign this, jail.

Greer was a champion back in the 70s, and she's a champion now. She has never given up thinking independently. She'd get sacked from most of the jobs I've done for speaking her mind.

Good on her.

Interesting. And do you also agree with her that rape is a victimless crime and should be decriminalised?

No, but many of the things they're calling rape and abuse these days don't stack up.

[Kunning]

And i'm a little taken aback at your analysis of the 15 year old girl. There is something clearly very wrong there.

She turns up to hospitals at least once a week claiming she's pregnant. They tuck her in, give her lunch, and give her a whole lot of pointless tests.

She gets into fights with her friends, they go to defend themselves, and she calls the police to have them charged for assault.

The police usually neglect to press charges due to lack of evidence, but they ALWAYS put an AVO on the friend. She then hangs out with them and they get locked up for breaching the AVO. She laughs at that.

I call her on her krap in the nicest possible way, so she's a tad suspicious of me. She has a moderate intellectual disability, but she's sharper than anyone gives her credit for. She's also horny and desperate for love. Some poor, dumb 24 year-old has lay-byed an engagement ring for her. He'll be the next to go down.

The way some people talk about this girl being exploited is disgusting. She's exploiting everyone, and everybody knows. We're all just too powerless to stop it.

The ambulance have to take her, the hospital have to treat her. The uniforms have to turn up and do the AVOs. The Sexual Assault units have to do their thing. Everybody knows she's talking krap. She badly assaulted her mother, and the judge had to let her off.

She even got an ALO civil lawyer out of that one to get her onto Centrelink benefits and fight for her rights. Anyone who gets in her way is threatened, pushed aside, then charged.

Do you really think there's something wrong with this analysis, Mother? I'd love to hear an alternative take.

[mothra]

No, but many of the things they're calling rape and abuse these days don't stack up.

I do know what you mean. I've made the same point but perhaps from a slightly different perspective.

I don't, for example think that next-day regret should weigh the same as being violently raped but i think it's important we open dialogue about what consent is and what it isn't.

What society is asking us to do is to measure our impact, principally on women but on men too. It's a bit of a new one and is being met with degrees of resistance. This is not helped by calling young lads rapists after somebody had too many Bicardi Cruisers.

And i object unilaterally on this. I think it unfair to men and i think it sends the message we women are porcelain. Like much social change, a reasonable consideration is being discredited by the over-enthusiastic.

[Kunning]

I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex

nope, sex without consent is called rape. Doesn't matter if it's good sex or not

What he said.

We've gone from the notion of actual sexual violence to varying degrees to consent. Intoxication can alter the notion of consent, an offer of goods, services or money, even a difference in age, status or "power imbalance". Under 16 - no consent.

Tasmania has just created a law to make verbal consent mandatory. Both parties have to verbally agree, like a contract. Who knows what will come out of this?

Imagine, all the pissed, furtive sex you had as a teenager - no pledge or bargain first. All a form of rape or at the very least, diminished consent. All of it a subject for police investigation. Witnesses, testimony, fact sheets, interrogation. Countless records and files. A police prosecutor and a defence lawyer endlessly typing and talking. A judge, possibly a jury, and a public verdict.

Sex has gone from being an awkward, clumsy and secretive act done in the dark to having the spotlight shined on it in full view of the administrators at the centre of the panopticon.

[mothra]

And i'm a little taken aback at your analysis of the 15 year old girl. There is something clearly very wrong there.

She turns up to hospitals at least once a week claiming she's pregnant. They tuck her in, give her lunch, and give her a whole lot of pointless tests.

She gets into fights with her friends, they go to defend themselves, and she calls the police to have them charged for assault.

The police usually neglect to press charges due to lack of evidence, but they ALWAYS put an AVO on the friend. She then hangs out with them and they get locked up for breaching the AVO. She laughs at that.

I call her on her krap in the nicest possible way, so she's a tad suspicious of me. She has a moderate intellectual disability, but she's sharper than anyone gives her credit for. She's also horny and desperate for love. Some poor, dumb 24 year-old has lay-byed an engagement ring for her. He'll be the next to go down.

The way some people talk about this girl being exploited is disgusting. She's exploiting everyone, and everybody knows. We're all just too powerless to stop it.

The ambulance have to take her, the hospital have to treat her. The uniforms have to turn up and do the AVOs. The Sexual Assault units have to do their thing. Everybody knows she's talking krap. She badly assaulted her mother, and the judge had to let her off.

She even got an ALO civil lawyer out of that one to get her onto Centrelink benefits and fight for her rights. Anyone who gets in her way is threatened, pushed aside, then charged.

Do you really think there's something wrong with this analysis, Mother? I'd love to hear an alternative take.

Well, i don't look at it as an analysis, i l'm looking at is as a case study upon which my analysis would be BPD with almost definite childhood trauma. Any self-harming, aside from the obvious?

And they're always fun to work with. May the gods go with you.

But i would say that she is screaming out in pain and uses the feeling of being wanted sexually as an anodyne. I would say she has zero self-worth. The dramas with her friends sound very much like poor socialisation and the distorted view that negative attention equals that more positive. The more impact she can make, the "happier" she is ... although you and i both know she's miserable. That of course helps nobody in her path, to who her behaviour is manifestly unfair.

I would say the first step towards getting her to chill the fuck out will come about when someone truly understands her ... and she will make that as difficult as possible.

[mothra]

I agree. Many things now called rape are just bad sex

nope, sex without consent is called rape. Doesn't matter if it's good sex or not

What he said.

We've gone from the notion of actual sexual violence to varying degrees to consent. Intoxication can alter the notion of consent, an offer of goods, services or money, even a difference in age, status or "power imbalance". Under 16 - no consent.

Tasmania has just created a law to make verbal consent mandatory. Both parties have to verbally agree, like a contract. Who knows what will come out of this?

Imagine, all the pissed, furtive sex you had as a teenager - no pledge or bargain first. All a form of rape or at the very least, diminished consent. All of it a subject for police investigation. Witnesses, testimony, fact sheets, interrogation. Countless records and files. A police prosecutor and a defence lawyer endlessly typing and talking. A judge, possibly a jury, and a public verdict.

Sex has gone from being an awkward, clumsy and secretive act done in the dark to having the spotlight shined on it in full view of the administrators at the centre of the panopticon.

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We had a thread on this. I'll see if i can find it for you.