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Gallipoli

PostPosted: 23 Apr 2015, 09:02
by HBS Guy
When we celebrate Anzac Day what are we remembering?

A young journalist tells the story—this is rivetting viewing!

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/lest-w ... 321H001S00

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 23 Apr 2015, 09:08
by HBS Guy
Hmmmm a bit of history:

“It’s a long forgotten fact that the very first ANZAC parade was organised by unions in Adelaide 0n 13 October 1915.
The Adelaide trades and labour council decided to use their traditional Labour Day event in support of returned veterans and to raise money for the wounded.
While the union movement backed the Diggers who went off to war, it was also unions that led the anti-conscription campaigns in 1916 and 1917.”

Read more of this fascinating history by Neale Towart on Working Life today. | http://bit.ly/1Ei7UM2


(Both links from PBX)

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 24 Apr 2015, 06:01
by Lefty
HBS Guy wrote:Hmmmm a bit of history:

“It’s a long forgotten fact that the very first ANZAC parade was organised by unions in Adelaide 0n 13 October 1915.
The Adelaide trades and labour council decided to use their traditional Labour Day event in support of returned veterans and to raise money for the wounded.
While the union movement backed the Diggers who went off to war, it was also unions that led the anti-conscription campaigns in 1916 and 1917.”

Read more of this fascinating history by Neale Towart on Working Life today. | http://bit.ly/1Ei7UM2


(Both links from PBX)


Very informative!

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 25 Apr 2015, 09:54
by HBS Guy
What have I learned about Anzac Day?

1. The ANZAC were landed at their intended destination: Brighton Beach not far from the Cove had barbed wire in the sea, would have been a catastrophe to land there.

2. The cove where the ANZAC landed is not the cove where the commemoration service is being held

3. The French suffered more losses than the ANZAC did.

4. Simpson and his donkey is a myth.

5. Even if the Allies had taken Constantinople nothing would have changed—the war was being fought on the Western front, Turkey had nothing to do with it. Winston Churchill was no strategist.

6. The English soldiers drinking tea on the beach while the ANZAC soldiers mounted this big campaign to win a hill is another myth

7. Aboriginal soldiers who joined up, and were encouraged to join up—the ANZAC was being depleted and there were no reinforcements coming—were treated very very shabbily after the war.

8. On the Western Front the ANZAC soldiers and generals learned the lessons from the earlier massacres on the Somme, Ypres etc. Look up Battle of Hamel.

9. Can we please stop fighting in other people’s battles? Sudan, Boer War, WWI, WWII (not so much after the Japs invaded PNG of course) Konfrontasi, Malay Insurgency, Korea and Viet Nam.

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 25 Apr 2015, 15:27
by HBS Guy
Was it UK PM Asquith’s mistress who approved the mad Dardanelles plan?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ww1/anza ... mqiqc.html

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2015, 06:22
by HBS Guy
Alan Ramsay:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/anzac-day ... msefn.html

Parallels between Iraq 2013-14 and Vietname 1965-71, fighting other peoples’ batles.

He LOVES Abbott, oh he really does! :bgrin

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2015, 14:19
by HBS Guy
http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting

There were nationalities other than Aust 7 NZ on the Dardanelles http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting The French suffered 15000 killed. A nice perspective article.

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2015, 14:56
by Aussie
HBS Guy wrote:http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting

There were nationalities other than Aust 7 NZ on the Dardanelles http://insidestory.org.au/gallipoli-and-forgetting The French suffered 15000 killed. A nice perspective article.


Turks did well defending their Country.

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2015, 16:07
by HBS Guy
Yes, they did well, no one has ever denied that.

Heh, I guess I have sort of ignored the Turks.

Something not so nice about the Turks:

https://independentaustralia.net/articl ... menia,7630

The Armenian genocide by the Turks and our spineless govt’s refusal to acknowledge let alone condemn it.

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 01 May 2015, 11:58
by HBS Guy
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -religion/

But what is at the heart of McIntyre’s firing is the real religion of the supposedly “secular West”: mandated worship not just of its military but of its wars. The central dogma of this religion is tribal superiority: Our Side is more civilized, more peaceful, superior to Their Side.

McIntyre was fired because he committed blasphemy against that religion
………………..
That’s why Scott McIntyre was fired: because he questioned and disputed the most sacred doctrine of the West’s religion. In a free, healthy and pluralistic society, doing so would be the defining attribute of a journalist, the highest aim. But in societies that, above all else, demand unyielding tribal loyalty and subservient adherence to orthodoxies, it’s viewed as an egregious breach of journalism and gets you fired


SBS soccer reports Scott McIntyre tweeted using his SBS account 2 tweets critical of the Anzac mythology and the orgy of war glorification on the centenary Anzac Day. He tweeted facts, maybe he should not have used his SBS account?

The tweets:
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The cultification of an imperialist invasion of a foreign nation that Australia had no quarrel with is against all ideals of modern society.


Scott McIntyre ✔@mcintinhos
Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan.
5:10 PM - 25 Apr 2015

Re: Gallipoli

PostPosted: 01 May 2015, 19:15
by Aussie
Can't find quickly where we were talking about Anzac biscuits. I made a post that the biscuits the blokes received at Gallipole were hard as nails, and that was based on some ABC radio programme I had just heard.

Some further stuff here.

Link.