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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Dec 2018, 17:06

Phhh dear me. Got an email from the slasher guy: because of all the rain he can’t see the rows I worked on, would need a herbicide spray and me coming down to mark out the rows again. Geez, what I don’t want to hear.

Can’t really get it rotary hoed or ploughed because I left 450mm star droppers embedded in the ground to help me repeg everything next visit. Don’t want to go there, to much $$$ wasted, to much emotional drama getting sis to look after Mum for a day or two.

So, after thinking about it, told the slasher to buy a sprayer and herbicide and spray the area between the two rows he already chipped, then he can easily measure out rows 2,3 & 4 and spread pine chips there. Didn’t WANT to spray herbicide but needs must, I suppose. Be 4 months, close enough, before the trees are planted, should be OK.

What can you do?
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Re: Gardening

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Dec 2018, 18:42

That sucks I detest round up........
Just get Dax to help... :rofl sorry bad taste.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Dec 2018, 18:59

Yeh, would prefer to have the rows ploughed—but there are 10 stardroppers there would bugger plough or rotary hoe.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 19 Dec 2018, 01:00

HBS Guy wrote:Phhh dear me. Got an email from the slasher guy: because of all the rain he can’t see the rows I worked on, would need a herbicide spray and me coming down to mark out the rows again. Geez, what I don’t want to hear.

Can’t really get it rotary hoed or ploughed because I left 450mm star droppers embedded in the ground to help me repeg everything next visit. Don’t want to go there, to much $$$ wasted, to much emotional drama getting sis to look after Mum for a day or two.

So, after thinking about it, told the slasher to buy a sprayer and herbicide and spray the area between the two rows he already chipped, then he can easily measure out rows 2,3 & 4 and spread pine chips there. Didn’t WANT to spray herbicide but needs must, I suppose. Be 4 months, close enough, before the trees are planted, should be OK.

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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Dec 2018, 08:39

Yeah.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 19 Dec 2018, 08:53

Going to try and visit this:

https://www.callingtonmill.com.au/

Buy some nice stoneground wholemeal bread flour.

If I can get there I can get to New Norfolk—antique shops. Maybe that distillery Aussie wants me to try.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 20 Dec 2018, 08:19

Actually, the flour will be wholegrain flour.

Fascinating things, grains.

Ever tried barley bread, made from barley flour? Chew, swallow—and it is like razorblades are sliding down your gullet. These are the husks that surround the barley grain. In the mash (or lauter) tun these husks form a sort of sieve allowing the wort to be rinsed (sparged or lautered, lots of German words in brewing) from the grains and after just a little bit of recirculation the wort runs clear, all the “bits” sieved out by the husks.

Wheat has no husk. It also has hellish high (for a brewer) protein levels.

Oats have LOTS of beta glucans, gums. If you haven’t conducted a betaglucanase rest the mashbed looks and acts like a big wodge of chewing gum! Found myself in that situation once. What to do? Took a colander, pushed it into the top of the mash. Wort seeped in and I scooped it out and poured it through a sieve into the kettle, added more sparge water to the mash, stirred it in, stuck the colander in.

Bit of a lengthy brewday and slightly cloudy beer. The hell, it was a stout, can’t see if it is cloudy! Oatmeal stouts are godly.


Anyway, emailed the bloke again, suggested he rent a rotary hoe: be more work and $$$ for him so should be happy. Won’t be able to do it immediately: he is slashing grass/weeds on the vacant blocks like mine, removing fire hazard. Will see, if there is no rain there then the ground might be too hard for a hand operated hoe.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Dec 2018, 19:27

Emailed the local bloke, what if you put down weed mats etc? Got the reply—already sprayed with Roundup.

Oh well. I tried.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 24 Dec 2018, 21:28

HBS Guy wrote:Emailed the local bloke, what if you put down weed mats etc? Got the reply—already sprayed with Roundup.

Oh well. I tried.


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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Dec 2018, 21:31

Rather a weedmat than Roundup!
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Jan 2019, 15:10

Been working on documenting everything that has to be done. Already see need more fish hydrolase. Also need Surround™ “calcined kaolin clay” this gets mixed into a paste and rubbed into cracks and crevices etc on the trunks and main branches. Can also spray it onto leaves and fruit, stops some insect pests and helps prevent sunburn on the fruit.

Try and describe the make up of the sprays and when they should be sprayed when I have no idea when the trees will go through the stages of bloom, leafburst etc. Adelaide is not a place for apples really (tho, if I had known, I would have planted a Granny Smith tree and a pollinator for it. Granny Smiths will grow and fruit about anywhere in Australia.) Have a great book BUT it is American and so everything is in feet, pounds and pints.

Now I need to find a set of cup measures that approximate the quantities:
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Jan 2019, 15:21

There are ways to culture up the bugs but that will have to wait until I am living there. Takes time, electricity to aerate the brew etc. I need more fish hydrolysate, can see that now with the composition and frequency of sprays, maybe get some more neem

Pure liquid soap I bought from a health food shop—I made sure I got unscented. Pure liquid soap is also called insecticidal soap, use it to make a insecticidal spray with garlic etc.

And I just realised something I left out of the instructions, dammit!

Further damn! Tassie is roasting hot and my soil is not covered by woodchips yet.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 28 Jan 2019, 21:00

Made a decision today. Will dispose of the older trees, order new ones and have the local guy plant them in spring then prune to 45cm. That will ensure the trees can be kept to 8'/2.5m high. Will cost a bit but any other way will not be as good. Will replace Sweet Coppin with a Bittersharp and replace Brown Snout with another bittersharp—gives a more balanced orchard as well as one I do not need to climb ladders in! Buy some perry pear trees. All new trees planted in spring.

Won’t need to spend so much time digging holes. That is a big positive! In spring a bare rooted tree can be planted with minimal digging so no big issue if soil is still wet. Use 2-3 posts to support tree for a year or two.

Can spend time spreading acid abalone mushroom compost, prepare row 4 for the perry pear trees—need to drive in some posts and prepare the ground by digging in compost etc and spreading acid mulch. And visit some wineries, cideries, breweries, distilleries, antique shops etc. Talk to some nurseries about companion plants, comfrey, lavender, rosemary, fennel, herbs etc. Also start a cover crop, peas or broadbeans or buckwheat.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 28 Jan 2019, 22:12

Could buy one tree of this:

Blanchette
Ripens: March
A French cider variety. Medium sized deep yellowy green fruit, with a faint collar of russet. Tart (aigre).


A French tart! :rofl

More likely:
Breakwell's Seedling
Ripens: February
A bright red apple with a stripe, small to medium fruit. Heavy cropper. Bitter-sharp. Propagated by George Breakwell in Monmouth, Wales.

Like this one too, put in place the Brown Snout:
Huonville Crab Semi-dwarfing
Ripens: April - May
This quite a remarkable apple, with scarlet red flesh, covered by a scarlet red skin that shines up when pollished. Small, palm-sized fruit, and a sweetnes offset by a faint crab-apple tartness. The leaves are purple-green and the sap is red too. Quite amazing! The tree is quite vigorous and bears heavily.We discovered this tree as a seedling - a huge old - a huge old tree growing in Huonville, Tasmania, weighed down each year by massive crops of red orbs. We think it's a hybrid between a crab apple and a cultivated apple. It would also explain its vigour and prolific bearing. Great to eat, great cooked, juiced and make a very acceptable cider.


(seedling means the tree was growing on its own roots, not grafted to another rootstock, a chance seedling. Apples and grapes have seeds with genetics that are not the same as the parent plant.)

The above trees mean I can keep the trees so they ripen on the northern side first in February/March then April and the last trees in the 3 rows ripen April-May. Any other tree will be replaced by a another tree of same variety.

I could also plant Granny Smith, tart enough and useful in cooking etc.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 28 Jan 2019, 22:13

Could buy one tree of this:

Blanchette
Ripens: March
A French cider variety. Medium sized deep yellowy green fruit, with a faint collar of russet. Tart (aigre).

A French tart! :rofl

More likely:
Breakwell's Seedling
Ripens: February
A bright red apple with a stripe, small to medium fruit. Heavy cropper. Bitter-sharp. Propagated by George Breakwell in Monmouth, Wales.

Like this one too, put in place the Brown Snout:
Huonville Crab Semi-dwarfing
Ripens: April - May
This quite a remarkable apple, with scarlet red flesh, covered by a scarlet red skin that shines up when pollished. Small, palm-sized fruit, and a sweetnes offset by a faint crab-apple tartness. The leaves are purple-green and the sap is red too. Quite amazing! The tree is quite vigorous and bears heavily.We discovered this tree as a seedling - a huge old...

(seedling means the tree was growing on its own roots, not grafted to another rootstock, a chance seedling. Apples and grapes have seeds with genetics that)

The above trees mean I can keep the trees so they ripen on the northern side first in February/March then April and the last trees in the 3 rows ripen April-May. Any other tree will be replaced by a another tree of same variety.

I could also plant Granny Smith, tart enough and useful in cooking etc. Or Court Pendu Plat also multi-purpose cider/cooking/eating.
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Re: Gardening

Postby pinkeye » 28 Jan 2019, 23:40

Lots of plants are dying here. No rain worth a note for much too long.

The monsoon trough is said to be moving south, but i'll only believe it when I see it.

The grass in burning up from the heat and dying. I'm concerned for my ancient remnant gums. This is a spot that often misses out on localised rain.. but none at all ..combined with the consistently higher than average daily temps is stressing them, and me, bigtime.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 29 Jan 2019, 07:26

I have been watering my little lime tree, crepe myrtle and the correa shrub which seems susceptible to heat and drought. Fill the birdbath and an icecream container I put by the footpath for any passing dog or cat. Hope I managed to save the lemon verbena.

Must buy a hose today, will take it with me to Tassie in April—fishpond needs a fair bit of water added, do this in small stages as don’t want to change the temperature of the pond too much too quickly, will kill the fish!

Replacing nine trees will cost under $270. I mourn the loss of time much more than I do the bit of money. Still, see how it goes. I will take delivery of the trees someone has been looking after for me while in Tassie and make a final decision.

But can do without the sweet cider—any eating apple can supply a neutral cider to dilute a too-tart or too-bitter cider! So another Breakwell’s Seedling or two, replace the Brown Snout bittersweet. There is another bittersharp apple but it needs high chill, my bit of paradise is too close to the sea to supply the very high chill needed for that variety. Will look at other nurseries and see if they have other cider apple varieties.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 01 Feb 2019, 19:22

Been working on a set of instructions for the guy that will plant a lot of my trees and look after all the trees on my block.

Have a look, anything not clear so far?

http://www.jovialmonk.com.au/Sprays.pdf
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Re: Gardening

Postby pinkeye » 02 Feb 2019, 00:05

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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 03:33

What does that mean?
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 02 Feb 2019, 13:07

HBS Guy wrote:Been working on a set of instructions for the guy that will plant a lot of my trees and look after all the trees on my block.

Have a look, anything not clear so far?

http://www.jovialmonk.com.au/Sprays.pdf



did you write that up?

friggen hell, I just tell the gardener to spray those ones, pull those out and plant' these. That's about as detailed as I get :b :b :b
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 13:17

I wrote it up. Going to grow my trees biodynamically. I will be 1000Km away in Adelaide so detailed instructions is has to be.

Any comments, anything not clear, any boneheaded blunders in the instructions?

I think I will get 10 clean jars and put 100ml of neem into each jar, seal—and he can heat one jar for a 5L batch of spray. Don’t see why I can’t do the same with the hydrolysate: 2 small jars, less water to heat, quicker to make up the spray.

Have to write up planting instructions, planting plan (what tree goes where) plus pruning instructions etc.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 17:17

Just ordered 20 bales peastraw and 10 bags sheep shit. Should protect the surface of the horrible clay and get some organic matter into it! And sheepshit is nice and low in nitrogen—want to keep the trees small so no bags of chicken or cow shit.

Know where I can get nice acid abalone mushroom compost, keep trying to lower the pH of that rather alkaline clay.

Be nice to get some worm castings, wonder if any one is selling that on Gum Tree?
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 05 Feb 2019, 20:54

Sold all the trees I don’t want to an orchard cum cidery! Off set the cost of the new trees a bit.
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 05 Feb 2019, 20:56

HBS Guy wrote:Sold all the trees I don’t want to an orchard cum cidery! Off set the cost of the new trees a bit.



just do what we wogs do .. plant tomatoes. Forget the trees. :yahoo :yahoo
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