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Re: Gardening

Postby pinkeye » 23 Jul 2018, 21:14

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pinkeye wrote:I know I can re-size them.. used Paint once upon a time, but... seem to have forgotten how, now. Get a bit frustrated.


right click on image, click 'open image with' paint, click 'resize', then put in whatever size you want.


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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 24 Jul 2018, 00:24

HBS Guy wrote:It is totally crap soil supporting titrees, gorse and grass only.



aaahhhhhh, I hear you.
Some soil is lifeless and thin. It is dead.

Which is why I think the soil in the Forest gobbled up the many 20 kg bags of organic Xtra and many cubic meters of pine bark and many bags of sugar cane mulch. Within months it was basically gone.
I thought 15 cubic meters of pine bark would last years. That was the idea of it. Now I am down to soil in areas.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jul 2018, 00:53

Obviously, your soil has thousands of soil critters who ate your pine chips.

I am budgeting for another 8cum pinebark in December, widen the strips a bit, thicken up the layer of pinechips already there. Unfortunately I thought of this too late, soil has been pounded by rain, would have been nice to have had all 5 rows covered before the heavy rain hit.

Book I bought reckons hardwood chips would be better but they raise pH, I am trying to LOWER it! :bgrin
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 24 Jul 2018, 08:33

Yes, I'ld think hardwood chips would last longer.
Pine chips if anything might make it more acidic, probably will improve your soil more than anything.
Probably will have an insignificant effect on the pH of the soil.

I heard Cypress pine chips attract termites less.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jul 2018, 08:50

I doubt the chips attract termites.
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 24 Jul 2018, 09:47

HBS Guy wrote:I doubt the chips attract termites.


sure it does. Some more than others.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 24 Jul 2018, 12:37

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HBS Guy wrote:I doubt the chips attract termites.


sure it does. Some more than others.


Any ideas on what is best ?
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 24 Jul 2018, 12:56

Sprintcyclist wrote:
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HBS Guy wrote:I doubt the chips attract termites.


sure it does. Some more than others.


Any ideas on what is best ?



Cedar not only repels but kills termites so that's pretty good. Cyprus pine is supposed to be just as good. Tea tree mulch is supposed to be good as well although I haven't heard much about it.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 24 Jul 2018, 13:32

Phew, good, I used Cyprus pine chip.


...........Cyprus Pine Mulch and Pine Bark Chips: Cyprus pine mulch also has a repellent affect on termites. It takes a bit longer to break down as well and it doesn't contain any nitrogen or nutrients. Pine bark chips also have no nutrients and take a long time to break down, but pine bark does contain tannins. Tannins reduce weed growth but, unfortunately, they reduce the growth of wanted plants too. What can be a problem with pine bark, is that if you get lots of heavy rain and you're on sloping ground, all the pine bark washes off, and ends up in the drain.........


http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/mulch/9430092

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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 24 Jul 2018, 13:49

Yup, I read similar in the Holistic Orchard book I bought.

Not sure I can get Cyprus pine chips, will have to find out.

For now, getting some pH reduction and protecting the soil surface from rain and sun. Tannins do break down into humic acids so not worried about that long term. Will be adding bought loam with the clay when planting the trees so again the suppressing non pine growth not important in short term.

After the second lot of pine chips will mulch with lucerne, peastraw etc.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 25 Jul 2018, 08:25

It seems, the bigger the chips the better.
My first load had relatively more fines in it than the 2nd.
Course, I did not know the difference before they were both delivered.

From my experience, the larger chips are much better. I think they will last longer too.
Small fines are not worth the expense or effort.

Haha - the sloping back yard does have interest, but it means I wheelbarrow 15 M3 of mulch uphill .......
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2018, 11:19

Ahahaha always a leaden edge to a silver cloud eh?

I had 2 cum sand and 3cum compost delivered, got the guy to dump them in the front of my block—meant I had to schlep every wheelbarrow load for like 20m before getting to the first row! Learned my lesson tho!
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jul 2018, 13:04

HBS Guy wrote:I had 2 cum sand and 3cum compost delivered


:b :b :b :b :b

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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2018, 15:49

Settle down—cum = cubic metres. But you knew that :bgrin
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jul 2018, 15:54

HBS Guy wrote:Settle down—cum = cubic metres. But you knew that :bgrin


I thought you were into some sort of kinky gardening ....... not that there's anything wrong with that!


cubic meters = m3
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 25 Jul 2018, 18:52

HBS Guy wrote:Ahahaha always a leaden edge to a silver cloud eh?

I had 2 cum sand and 3cum compost delivered, got the guy to dump them in the front of my block—meant I had to schlep every wheelbarrow load for like 20m before getting to the first row! Learned my lesson tho!


At our place the local landscape supplies had small trucks that could reverse up the driveway.
So I ordered extra soil, but their new trucks are just that wee bit wider. Now, they no longer can get up the driveway.

So that gives me another 3M height I have to raise all wheelbarrows
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2018, 21:17

2^3 = 8.
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 25 Jul 2018, 21:28

what is '^'? I'm not familiar with that symbol
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 25 Jul 2018, 22:48

2 cubed=2 x 2 x 2
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Re: Gardening

Postby johnsmith » 26 Jul 2018, 13:22

HBS Guy wrote:2 cubed=2 x 2 x 2


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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Aug 2018, 11:11

Soil (clay) too wet to deliver more pine bark chips. Told them to wait 2 weeks.

Pity, would have been good to have had the rows covered by the chips before all this rain. Oh well.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 03 Aug 2018, 12:48

HBS Guy wrote:Soil (clay) too wet to deliver more pine bark chips. Told them to wait 2 weeks.

Pity, would have been good to have had the rows covered by the chips before all this rain. Oh well.


Working in mud /slippery clay is bad.
Better to wait. Will be a better job with less effort
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Aug 2018, 13:00

Yeah, will be OK.

Emailed a wholesale Tassie nursery, asked about cost 48 clivia, 96 comfrey plus sage, tansy, yarrow, oregano, couple nasturtium etc. Don’t need them till April but dunno how long it would take to get them together. Also buckwheat seed, peas & broadbeans—cover crops.
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Re: Gardening

Postby Sprintcyclist » 03 Aug 2018, 13:07

That's a lot of work.

I like the planning stages. imho, it is the most important stage.
Have a vision of what the finished area will be like, draw out plans to scale, get things ready, testing of soil, have deliveries spaced right, reduce double handling, hire in people for specialist areas.
It's huge.

If the planning is all done, the 'doing' is flawless, easy, quick.
The result is ideal.

We planned for well over a year.
Got tube stock about 4 months before planting in the ground.
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Re: Gardening

Postby HBS Guy » 03 Aug 2018, 14:59

Yeah. I got the planning a bit wrong—relied on the nursery website, was misleading as far as cherries go.

Going to ink in the positions of the cider apple trees, then, on tracing paper over that try some alternatives for the cherries, even have some more deep ripping done, $$$ but what can you do? Grow the cherries like the cider apple trees but a bit smaller, one option.
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