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Re: Electric Vehicles this week

Post by Bongalong » 16 Jul 2019, 13:56

Dax wrote:
Bongalong wrote:The quantitative argument is what can change the future for the better and nothing else.


That's easy to answer, get rid of 99.9% of humans and the future will become a better place instantly, plus survivors wouldn't have to wait to have their cars charged.

This is an interesting article, show where Evs a going and how we will soon have such a variety, wont be long before everyone is driving one, new or second hand.

"The ID.3 is the first dedicated electric-powered model from Volkswagen. Based on a newly developed platform known internally as the MEB (Modularen Elektrik Baukasten, or Modular Electric Toolkit), it is also the first in an extended range of up to 10 new electric models set to carry the name of Volkswagen’s new ID. sub-brand, many of which have already been revealed in lightly veiled concept guise."

https://

http://www.drive.com.au/review/volkswag ... ign=tile-2

There are many second hand tesla's for sale in Aus, on wonders why they are on th market an the same in the USA.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/

https://www.drive.com.au/car-sales/buy- ... alia/tesla

https://www.carsguide.com.au/buy-a-car/ ... pes/tesla/

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-cars-vans- ... els/c18320

Well I didn't mean that argument: but, yeh, fair enough... the population problem will have to be addressed at some point and somehow because if it's left to natural attrition it could get very ugly and I suppose it already is... because oil is a resource and 9-11 used airplanes as the iconic weapon to start what could probably be semi-defined as the population debate we all need to have. (Though I'm obviously being very abstract in my thinking there!)

Maybe it's time to have that debate very soon infact!

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 16 Jul 2019, 06:55

There are very few Tesla's for sale really, there are about 3000 sold and 100 up for sale
here are some numbers I've made the search from 2015, that when Tesla's came into the market for the 3 big luxury vehicals, BMW, Merc and Audi... look at the numbers for sale and the low KM's I think it's more a luxury vehicle thing to only own a car for a few years and low KM's.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/result ... 5..%29.%29

BMW 3500
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/result ... 5..%29.%29

Merc 5200

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/result ... 5..%29.%29

AUDI 3100

You can do a search on any car and see lots for sale that are only a year of 2 old and low kilometres,,, i don't know why this happens, i guess every car has a human story behind it...

I can tell you one thing though if Tesla get their cars to be Autonomous and capable of being Robot taxi's all these second-hand cars already have the hardware to do so and will be bought up very quickly as they will be a appreciating assets... Tesla are forecasting this to be a reality by the end of the year, probably next year... :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 15 Jul 2019, 15:57

Bongalong wrote:The quantitative argument is what can change the future for the better and nothing else.


That's easy to answer, get rid of 99.9% of humans and the future will become a better place instantly, plus survivors wouldn't have to wait to have their cars charged.

This is an interesting article, show where Evs a going and how we will soon have such a variety, wont be long before everyone is driving one, new or second hand.

"The ID.3 is the first dedicated electric-powered model from Volkswagen. Based on a newly developed platform known internally as the MEB (Modularen Elektrik Baukasten, or Modular Electric Toolkit), it is also the first in an extended range of up to 10 new electric models set to carry the name of Volkswagen’s new ID. sub-brand, many of which have already been revealed in lightly veiled concept guise."

https://

www.drive.com.au/review/volkswagen-id-3 ... ign=tile-2

There are many second hand tesla's for sale in Aus, on wonders why they are on th market an the same in the USA.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/

https://www.drive.com.au/car-sales/buy- ... alia/tesla

https://www.carsguide.com.au/buy-a-car/ ... pes/tesla/

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-cars-vans- ... els/c18320

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 14 Jul 2019, 16:00

The quantitative argument is what can change the future for the better and nothing else.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 14 Jul 2019, 10:15

Another range test of a tesla model 3 that says it only gets 400klm at 90 kph and 300klm at 120kph. The Kona on the Hume at 110kph, did 425klm before deciding to stop for a charge and only used the regen a couple of times, when stopping for a break and when there was a hold up because of a crash and unlike ICE vehicles, you don't use any power when stopped.

https://insideevs.com/news/359667/video ... ange-test/

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 10 Jul 2019, 06:25

Dax wrote:From what I've been told by my EV friends, using 4 motors reduces weight, motor size is very small as they get more hp to the ground without any bits and pieces, they are part of the wheel and pivot with the wheels. This means you always have the motors run line with the wheels direction, so there is less drag and with virtually no moving parts other than motor and pivot points. Don't quote me on this, was listening to a conversation between EV techies, so didn't get the intricate bits. The gains with wheel based motors result in a 15-25% gain in SOS (state of charge), instead of having to use a 600hp motor or two 300hp, they can use 4x100hp motors and get more power to the ground than 1-2 motors, which results in more economy. Less tyre wear because there is much less drag on the tyres when being forced round a corner, the motors pull the wheels round the corner and they get more back from regenerative braking than single dual motors do. They say with a single motors you lose a lot of energy in the drag and slipping caused by the running gear and drive train.

So it seems 4 wheel mounted motors may become the norm for middle and high end ev's. Have already hassled hem fr a price to convert my series hdj80 cruiser to 4 motor ev. I fit can be done and still compete as the best off road family vehicle there is for sale a reasonable price.

We may see the resurrection of king pins, that way the motor can fit between the wishbone suspension and he back wheels will turn as well, so if yo get bogged, instead of having to go backwards and forwards, you just turn the wheels and go sideways and same with parking, pull up at a space, turn the wheels inward and slide in, cool eh.

Just love my constant 4x4 cruiser, like driving on rails in mas conditions so can only imagine what it will be like to drive a big 4x4 4 motor drive EV, with built in solar panels and a pop up small wind generator and adventuring bashing here we come. The new solar cells mentioned in another thread along with the graphene solar cells, which will at least double output, implanting solar cells into the cars body, will mean you can go just about anywhere and al you have to do is sit round for a couple of days at worst. You will have power no matter where you are and will be comfortable.

yup and there is no reason the roof and awnings of a caravan cant be solar panels as well...
I see Toyota have put panels on a Prius and doing some testing they apparently have 800w on the thing..... :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 09 Jul 2019, 17:46

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:The problem with conversions is the space and weight of the drive train, you either have to use it or develop new wheels and axle setups. That's the big drawback to range and ease of conversion, they are working on an easily made axle/wheel setup that can be dropped into just about any car, with either 4-2-1 motors.

When you take out the standard drive chain/axle setup you save a couple of hundred kilos, which makes a massive difference to range and amount of batteries you can carry. Once they work that all out, conversions for urban vehicles should come in at around $5000-$10000. Rural long range they are looking at less than $20000, for a range of over 500klms and 4x4.
Using 4 motors, you don't need axles or diffs, each motor operates like a LSD, which sounds great, but if the electronics carks it, you may just go round in circles, or not be able to turn. So fail safe systems have to be developed and those are the hold ups for conversions at the moment.

Ahh makes sense, most available conversions are just connected to the gearbox , which I find very uneconomical when I looked into it. I see there are companies still trying to get in wheel motors working, lots of engineering needed to stop inertia though.
Please if they get a web site set up id be very interested to have a look...
You know the worse thing is the old 161 motor is almost 70 years old and still gets 10 litres for 100km, just shows how little they bothered to improve modern motors in efficiency...
:purple

So what's the exact problem with in wheel motors?

:huh
(At the moment it sounds like the pay-off is not there but you might be hinting at a possible theoretical pay-off at some future point for the industry in time?!!?)

a thing they call unsprung weight, it's basically the more weight on wheel the more it will bounce when u hit a bump in the road... SO if you have a electric motor as well at the wheel and controllers etc it's more prone to damaging itself and ripping itself off the springs /suspencion.....
Also if the motor is between the 2 wheels and fixed to the car, with 2 axels going to the wheels, the torque isnt all on the suspension as well....they use a independant suspencion on EV's now...

Thanks goes to you, wholeheartedly, for explaining what the kids going forward have to deal with... with the safety of your knowledge: WELL DONE ,SIR :beer

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 09 Jul 2019, 16:31

From what I've been told by my EV friends, using 4 motors reduces weight, motor size is very small as they get more hp to the ground without any bits and pieces, they are part of the wheel and pivot with the wheels. This means you always have the motors run line with the wheels direction, so there is less drag and with virtually no moving parts other than motor and pivot points. Don't quote me on this, was listening to a conversation between EV techies, so didn't get the intricate bits. The gains with wheel based motors result in a 15-25% gain in SOS (state of charge), instead of having to use a 600hp motor or two 300hp, they can use 4x100hp motors and get more power to the ground than 1-2 motors, which results in more economy. Less tyre wear because there is much less drag on the tyres when being forced round a corner, the motors pull the wheels round the corner and they get more back from regenerative braking than single dual motors do. They say with a single motors you lose a lot of energy in the drag and slipping caused by the running gear and drive train.

So it seems 4 wheel mounted motors may become the norm for middle and high end ev's. Have already hassled hem fr a price to convert my series hdj80 cruiser to 4 motor ev. I fit can be done and still compete as the best off road family vehicle there is for sale a reasonable price.

We may see the resurrection of king pins, that way the motor can fit between the wishbone suspension and he back wheels will turn as well, so if yo get bogged, instead of having to go backwards and forwards, you just turn the wheels and go sideways and same with parking, pull up at a space, turn the wheels inward and slide in, cool eh.

Just love my constant 4x4 cruiser, like driving on rails in mas conditions so can only imagine what it will be like to drive a big 4x4 4 motor drive EV, with built in solar panels and a pop up small wind generator and adventuring bashing here we come. The new solar cells mentioned in another thread along with the graphene solar cells, which will at least double output, implanting solar cells into the cars body, will mean you can go just about anywhere and al you have to do is sit round for a couple of days at worst. You will have power no matter where you are and will be comfortable.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 09 Jul 2019, 07:39

Dax wrote:Rivian and a few others have 4 electric motors and another manufacturer has 3, the problem here is accessing those kind of motors and they are working on getting drive train weight down so battery weight can be increased. Won't be that long before they crack it and conversions become cheaper and more common. Low range of conversions is because of the huge weight of the original drive train, reducing battery capacity.

Here's a nice and very handy EV which is helping the elderly keep trucking along.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-09/ ... e/11249332

"Yvonne Burton was just a child when Australia's first mass-produced car, the FX Holden, came onto the market.

Now, she's sitting at a purpose-made bus stop in her retirement village, waiting for her lift — an automated vehicle (AV) — to take her to her weekly art class.

The retirement village where Ms Burton lives in Toormina, just outside of Coffs Harbour on the NSW north coast, is trialling some of the latest driverless technology the world has to offer.

"I think we've been very lucky to have this experience," she said.

The electric AV, nicknamed the BusBot, is similar to a mini-bus but with six inward facing seats and no steering wheel."

yes it looks like 4 engines are becoming standard in high end EV's, I guess 4 smaller motors is better than 2, plus no transfer case would be needed... Probably less strain on two 300hp motors than one 600hp motor or even worse one 1200hp motor.

the bus in Coffs sounds great, I'm sure in Byron there is a solar power tourist train as well.. :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 09 Jul 2019, 05:21

Rivian and a few others have 4 electric motors and another manufacturer has 3, the problem here is accessing those kind of motors and they are working on getting drive train weight down so battery weight can be increased. Won't be that long before they crack it and conversions become cheaper and more common. Low range of conversions is because of the huge weight of the original drive train, reducing battery capacity.

Here's a nice and very handy EV which is helping the elderly keep trucking along.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-09/ ... e/11249332

"Yvonne Burton was just a child when Australia's first mass-produced car, the FX Holden, came onto the market.

Now, she's sitting at a purpose-made bus stop in her retirement village, waiting for her lift — an automated vehicle (AV) — to take her to her weekly art class.

The retirement village where Ms Burton lives in Toormina, just outside of Coffs Harbour on the NSW north coast, is trialling some of the latest driverless technology the world has to offer.

"I think we've been very lucky to have this experience," she said.

The electric AV, nicknamed the BusBot, is similar to a mini-bus but with six inward facing seats and no steering wheel."

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 08 Jul 2019, 17:30

Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:The problem with conversions is the space and weight of the drive train, you either have to use it or develop new wheels and axle setups. That's the big drawback to range and ease of conversion, they are working on an easily made axle/wheel setup that can be dropped into just about any car, with either 4-2-1 motors.

When you take out the standard drive chain/axle setup you save a couple of hundred kilos, which makes a massive difference to range and amount of batteries you can carry. Once they work that all out, conversions for urban vehicles should come in at around $5000-$10000. Rural long range they are looking at less than $20000, for a range of over 500klms and 4x4.
Using 4 motors, you don't need axles or diffs, each motor operates like a LSD, which sounds great, but if the electronics carks it, you may just go round in circles, or not be able to turn. So fail safe systems have to be developed and those are the hold ups for conversions at the moment.

Ahh makes sense, most available conversions are just connected to the gearbox , which I find very uneconomical when I looked into it. I see there are companies still trying to get in wheel motors working, lots of engineering needed to stop inertia though.
Please if they get a web site set up id be very interested to have a look...
You know the worse thing is the old 161 motor is almost 70 years old and still gets 10 litres for 100km, just shows how little they bothered to improve modern motors in efficiency...
:purple

So what's the exact problem with in wheel motors?

:huh
(At the moment it sounds like the pay-off is not there but you might be hinting at a possible theoretical pay-off at some future point for the industry in time?!!?)

a thing they call unsprung weight, it's basically the more weight on wheel the more it will bounce when u hit a bump in the road... SO if you have a electric motor as well at the wheel and controllers etc it's more prone to damaging itself and ripping itself off the springs /suspencion.....
Also if the motor is between the 2 wheels and fixed to the car, with 2 axels going to the wheels, the torque isnt all on the suspension as well....they use a independant suspencion on EV's now...

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 08 Jul 2019, 12:54

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:The problem with conversions is the space and weight of the drive train, you either have to use it or develop new wheels and axle setups. That's the big drawback to range and ease of conversion, they are working on an easily made axle/wheel setup that can be dropped into just about any car, with either 4-2-1 motors.

When you take out the standard drive chain/axle setup you save a couple of hundred kilos, which makes a massive difference to range and amount of batteries you can carry. Once they work that all out, conversions for urban vehicles should come in at around $5000-$10000. Rural long range they are looking at less than $20000, for a range of over 500klms and 4x4.
Using 4 motors, you don't need axles or diffs, each motor operates like a LSD, which sounds great, but if the electronics carks it, you may just go round in circles, or not be able to turn. So fail safe systems have to be developed and those are the hold ups for conversions at the moment.

Ahh makes sense, most available conversions are just connected to the gearbox , which I find very uneconomical when I looked into it. I see there are companies still trying to get in wheel motors working, lots of engineering needed to stop inertia though.
Please if they get a web site set up id be very interested to have a look...
You know the worse thing is the old 161 motor is almost 70 years old and still gets 10 litres for 100km, just shows how little they bothered to improve modern motors in efficiency...
:purple

So what's the exact problem with in wheel motors?

:huh
(At the moment it sounds like the pay-off is not there but you might be hinting at a possible theoretical pay-off at some future point for the industry in time?!!?)

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 08 Jul 2019, 06:02

https://insideevs.com/news/358504/charg ... -charging/
Four 350 kW ultra-fast chargers were installed at Westfield Airport West in Melbourne, Australia
This month, Chargefox, Australia opened the most powerful ultra-fast charging stations in the southern hemisphere at Westfield Airport West, Melbourne.
It consists of four 350 kW ultra-fast chargers (Tritium Veefill PK with CCS Combo 2 plugs) and two additional 50 kW chargers (Tritium Veefil-RT with CCS 2 & CHAdeMO plugs).

Australia's charging networks is starting to take shape....

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 06 Jul 2019, 06:38

HBS Guy wrote:New entrant into the EV market:


@Petercampbell1 Follow Follow @Petercampbell1 More

** Big breaking investment **

Jaguar Land Rover to spend close to £1bn converting Castle Bromwich to build electric cars.

First new model with be electric XJ.

CEO calls on government to push for UK battery giga-factory.

Full story: https://t.co/aV0vqQ30t8

Jag already have a EV the Ipace, yes lot happening in jag/LR lots of restructuring and job looses, they are also trying to make their range Hybrid as well...

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by HBS Guy » 05 Jul 2019, 19:52

New entrant into the EV market:


@Petercampbell1 Follow Follow @Petercampbell1 More

** Big breaking investment **

Jaguar Land Rover to spend close to £1bn converting Castle Bromwich to build electric cars.

First new model with be electric XJ.

CEO calls on government to push for UK battery giga-factory.

Full story: https://t.co/aV0vqQ30t8

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 04 Jul 2019, 06:29

Dax wrote:The problem with conversions is the space and weight of the drive train, you either have to use it or develop new wheels and axle setups. That's the big drawback to range and ease of conversion, they are working on an easily made axle/wheel setup that can be dropped into just about any car, with either 4-2-1 motors.

When you take out the standard drive chain/axle setup you save a couple of hundred kilos, which makes a massive difference to range and amount of batteries you can carry. Once they work that all out, conversions for urban vehicles should come in at around $5000-$10000. Rural long range they are looking at less than $20000, for a range of over 500klms and 4x4.
Using 4 motors, you don't need axles or diffs, each motor operates like a LSD, which sounds great, but if the electronics carks it, you may just go round in circles, or not be able to turn. So fail safe systems have to be developed and those are the hold ups for conversions at the moment.

Ahh makes sense, most available conversions are just connected to the gearbox , which I find very uneconomical when I looked into it. I see there are companies still trying to get in wheel motors working, lots of engineering needed to stop inertia though.
Please if they get a web site set up id be very interested to have a look...
You know the worse thing is the old 161 motor is almost 70 years old and still gets 10 litres for 100km, just shows how little they bothered to improve modern motors in efficiency...
:purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 03 Jul 2019, 17:04

The problem with conversions is the space and weight of the drive train, you either have to use it or develop new wheels and axle setups. That's the big drawback to range and ease of conversion, they are working on an easily made axle/wheel setup that can be dropped into just about any car, with either 4-2-1 motors.

When you take out the standard drive chain/axle setup you save a couple of hundred kilos, which makes a massive difference to range and amount of batteries you can carry. Once they work that all out, conversions for urban vehicles should come in at around $5000-$10000. Rural long range they are looking at less than $20000, for a range of over 500klms and 4x4.
Using 4 motors, you don't need axles or diffs, each motor operates like a LSD, which sounds great, but if the electronics carks it, you may just go round in circles, or not be able to turn. So fail safe systems have to be developed and those are the hold ups for conversions at the moment.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 03 Jul 2019, 12:37

Awsome dax… yes conversions will be awesome,,, I have my 1960 holden undercover waiting for a conversion, when I have the time...
Great news your car is performing well, eV's will only get better as well...

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 03 Jul 2019, 12:05

Still on my EV drive, been to the ACT, NSW sth coast, Sydney, Taree and tomorrow heading to Coonabarabran to catch up with a star gazing friend and then back down the middle to Yarrawonga, Wangarrata, Melb and then home.

No trouble charging up, using places we stayed, tesla and NRMA super charge points. The NRMA charged the kona from 16klms to 459klms in 36min at Hunter Valley Gardens Pokolbin NSW and it cost nothing, but will in the future if not a member and have discovered they will have reciprocating deals with other organisations, like RACT, RACV etc. There are many charge points everywhere, with more coming, especially super charge stations.

The kona has performed flawlessly, a little dream to drive and my passenger loves it and is going to buy one for herself. Regen braking used properly makes a massive difference to range, don't think have used the brakes for days, just apply the paddle and watch the charge go up.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-plan- ... ign=tile-3

This is just one for the many businesses starting to installing chargers around Aus. Every day there are new announcements of new EV's coming on the market and there are a number of start up EV conversion businesses starting up. We are in negotiations with some EV enthusiasts who want to start a EV conversions business in Tas, we are helping with that, approaching government and other organisations to convert their buses and urban trucks to EV and if it gets off the ground, we will provide some finance and our computer techies to set it all up. This will save having to buy new vehicles and reduce costs for an EV dramatically for the average person and the economies of scale work out really well.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2019, 08:09

95K sales in a quarter! Wow!

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 03 Jul 2019, 07:45

https://insideevs.com/news/357573/tesla ... del-3-s-x/
Tesla has just released some record-crushing numbers, which beat estimates of 91,000 from several combined analysts.
For us here at InsideEVs, we mostly focus on the sales side of the report, so let's dive right in.
Tesla reported a total of approximately 95,200 vehicles delivered globally in Q2 2019. The automaker breaks this down for us as follows:
Model 3: 77,550
Model S and Model X: 17,650

Tesla Just had it's 16th birthday and now it's best selling quarter.... What is Amazing they are a Luxury car seller and in the USA if you look at total cost a car over 5 years including selling it again, they are as cheep as a standard Camry or even a Corrolla, Little on a BMW or Merc,,, Basically they just cant meet demand and are still expanding.....
If I feel active one morning i'll see how they fare in Australia against a Camry, they are already cheaper initially than their competitors (BMW, merc ,Audi, Lexus) :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 27 Jun 2019, 17:50

Dax wrote:https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/destination-charging

"Charge Upon Arrival

Charge for a few hours or overnight when you arrive at Destination Charging locations - at hotels, restaurants, and shopping centres across the country."

Note the web site, read again what I posted about my first long trip in the Kona. They are nit exclusive to tesla to use because of the economics. What you're talking about is tesla recharge stations where a number of cars can plug in at a time and gets really fast charge. Bet even those will have to offer charging facilities to other brands, or go broke. their are so many new EV's coming on the market during the next couple of years, tesla will become just another car maker struggling to survive like everyone else.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/lightyear ... ign=tile-4

"Like the solar race cars, the Lightyear One is designed for a maximum efficiency. To that end, the One features an electric motor at each wheel to minimise energy loss.

The body also has a long tail and partially covered rear wheels, presumably to reduce aerodynamic drag. The company has yet to provide power, torque and performance figures for the One.

The One is said to have a driving range of 725 kilometres under the WLTP test cycle. The car has five square metres of solar panels built into the roof and bonnet, all of which is protected by safety glass that can withstand the weight of a human."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/gm-might- ... source=smh


"The dormant Hummer brand could be resuscitated as part of a General Motors push into the electric vehicle sector.

Sources have told Bloomberg GM is considering reviving the Hummer marque for use on all-electric off-road vehicles.

The automaker is currently working on two major electric vehicle projects: BEV3 will deliver a platform for small and mid-size cars and crossovers, while the other is working on an architecture for pickup trucks, large vehicles and off-roaders. We presume any Hummer revival will use this latter platform."

That is the Tesla Supercharger Network.....

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/supercharger

Tesla are so far ahead of anyone else, if Tesla make their network available to other brands it wont have to be for years.... After all no car made yet has more range than the 7 year old original Tesla S, now they have even more range.....
As it is now it's a enticement, you want reliable Fast charging buy a Tesla, anything else just doesn't have the network or Tech....Why would they let other companies use thair Network if it gives them more sales......

I saw the Solar car as well, I think up to 15km's a hour recharge ,very interesting....

:purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 27 Jun 2019, 17:35

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/destination-charging

"Charge Upon Arrival

Charge for a few hours or overnight when you arrive at Destination Charging locations - at hotels, restaurants, and shopping centres across the country."

Note the web site, read again what I posted about my first long trip in the Kona. They are nit exclusive to tesla to use because of the economics. What you're talking about is tesla recharge stations where a number of cars can plug in at a time and gets really fast charge. Bet even those will have to offer charging facilities to other brands, or go broke. their are so many new EV's coming on the market during the next couple of years, tesla will become just another car maker struggling to survive like everyone else.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/lightyear ... ign=tile-4

"Like the solar race cars, the Lightyear One is designed for a maximum efficiency. To that end, the One features an electric motor at each wheel to minimise energy loss.

The body also has a long tail and partially covered rear wheels, presumably to reduce aerodynamic drag. The company has yet to provide power, torque and performance figures for the One.

The One is said to have a driving range of 725 kilometres under the WLTP test cycle. The car has five square metres of solar panels built into the roof and bonnet, all of which is protected by safety glass that can withstand the weight of a human."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/gm-might- ... source=smh


"The dormant Hummer brand could be resuscitated as part of a General Motors push into the electric vehicle sector.

Sources have told Bloomberg GM is considering reviving the Hummer marque for use on all-electric off-road vehicles.

The automaker is currently working on two major electric vehicle projects: BEV3 will deliver a platform for small and mid-size cars and crossovers, while the other is working on an architecture for pickup trucks, large vehicles and off-roaders. We presume any Hummer revival will use this latter platform."

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 27 Jun 2019, 17:06

I don't know why your even worried about the Supercharger network there are none in Tasmania....
https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/supercharger

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 27 Jun 2019, 17:03

Dax wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I know I know 2 Tesla posts in one day, but this is huge.... The New V3 supercharger of Tesla has been tested by a owner of a Model3 and it's really impressive. There are a few other Fast chargers in Europe and the results are shown in the article..

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/24/te ... es-charts/

We have new data about the performance of Tesla’s new Supercharger version 3 (V3) when charging a Tesla Model 3 Long Range. It’s even faster than we thought! YouTuber Dagery recorded a charging session, showing the Tesla recovering 50% of the battery capacity in under 12 minutes.

The vehicle was plugged in at a low 2% state of charge, quickly shot up to the full 250 kW power, and added 50% of capacity in 11 minutes and 29 seconds from the start of the charge session! Dragery went on to charge to 90% before closing out the session, giving us a wealth of new data on the Supercharger V3 charging curve.
A more typical charge session, plugging in at 10%, is almost as fast, adding 50% of range in about 12 and a half minutes.
To me, it looks like the Model 3 paired with Supercharger V3 is crushing it. Able to cover almost 740 km with just a 20 minute break, the vehicle is usually going be waiting for its owners on road trips, and not the other way around.

This is another reason to buy a Tesla, their supercharger network is only accessed by Tesla vehicles, so most places the only way to recharge your car fast is to own a tesla (Tesla Supercharge network in AUS is the only fast charger service in Australia) :purple

Nice .. but I thought this claim: "their supercharger network is only accessed by Tesla vehicles, so most places the only way to recharge your car fast is to own a tesla" had been successfully challenged on this forum before!??!,.. though I can't remember the outcome of the debacle of course otherwise, um,.. I would know the outcome of said debacle.... :Hi :beer :beer :beer :beer :beer


To see the truth all you have to do is check the tesla charger site for Aus, then ring a couple of those places and you will find they will charge any EV they have an adapter for and from what I'm told, with every EV released here, they get an adapter to charge them. The reason is, there are only a few tesla's in Aus and to recover their investment, Telsa has encouraged them to use adapters to charge any EV. Musk himself has stated that anyone can use their charge points, because it creates revenue and a quicker way of paying for their investments.

To believe only tesla EV's will be charged is economic insanity, it may be years before a tesla comes their way in many places and I've used 9 of them now, with no problems. I'm in Aus, between home and Canberra via the coast, have used tesla charge stations all the way with no problems.

Posted the link to the tesla charge site here earlier, no where does it say only tesla cars can be charged.

look at the post just before this one,,, there is Destination chargers (ones that are compatible with Tesla) and the supercharger network.... the Supercharger network is only accessible by Tesla cars.....

However, for the moment, the network can only be used by Tesla vehicles. ... According to Tesla CEO Elon Musk, this is because no other vehicle manufacturer agreed to sign up to Tesla's Supercharger network when the company offered

so that's what Musk actually said about the Supercharger network.....
While Tesla uses a different plug than any other car, the protocol for AC charging is the same, and a simple adapter is possible (just as Tesla provides and adapter for their car to use other Level 2 AC chargers). For the Tesla Supercharger network, there is no adapter that can allow it use by non-Tesla cars.


https://thedriven.io/2019/04/03/can-non ... -chargers/
Correction: This article has been updated to reflect a statement from Tesla yesterday that at Destination Charging locations, it does not set one charger to non-Teslas and one to Tesla only. Additionally, even with CCS plugs, Tesla Supercharger sites will not be able to charge other EVs.


Even the original Roadster Tesla made can't use the Supercharger network, only 3 cars can use it, the S , X and 3.....

Again you are confusing destination chargers and apparently even home chargers that Tesla make for private owners that can charge other EV's with the right adaptor, hell Tesla even supply them with the adaptors.
Teslsa Owned Supercharger network is only available to Tesla's....

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/supercharger

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/destination-charging

:purple

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