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Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 21 Jun 2019, 12:54

johnsmith wrote:was talking to a Tesla owner today (tesla S)... I asked him how he found the car

his answer "Fucken Brilliant'.

hOW MUCH DID HE PAY FOR IT?

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 21 Jun 2019, 09:08

Dax wrote:This is an interesting development and may be the reason why tesla model 3 prices are going up.

"Tesla has continued to shuffle its Model 3 range around the world, with American reports suggesting production of the rear-wheel drive Long Range variant has been abruptly halted."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mod ... ign=tile-4

This link is even more interesting.

"YouTuber and robotics enthusiast Simone Giertz has managed to beat billionaire mogul Elon Musk to the punch in releasing Tesla's first pickup truck.

However, unlike Tesla's yet-to-be-released pickup truck, Giertz made hers by transforming a Model 3 sedan.

Designing and planning the car took more than a year before Giertz and a team of mechanics and modifiers took on the task of building the 'Truckla' - a term she coined by merging the words Tesla and truck."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... truck.html

Not sure why this makes the model 3 more expensive, and it doesn’t effect Australia as the model isn’t available here...

And yes the shitty robot girl has struck again with her Ute conversion of a 3 , it looks pretty good.
A few months and the Tesla Ute will be revealed I’d say it will be more f truck size though.
I.think the big thing for me will be the specs and price for the cheep version. Utes are the only car I can really use. :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 21 Jun 2019, 08:41

This is an interesting development and may be the reason why tesla model 3 prices are going up.

"Tesla has continued to shuffle its Model 3 range around the world, with American reports suggesting production of the rear-wheel drive Long Range variant has been abruptly halted."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-mod ... ign=tile-4

This link is even more interesting.

"YouTuber and robotics enthusiast Simone Giertz has managed to beat billionaire mogul Elon Musk to the punch in releasing Tesla's first pickup truck.

However, unlike Tesla's yet-to-be-released pickup truck, Giertz made hers by transforming a Model 3 sedan.

Designing and planning the car took more than a year before Giertz and a team of mechanics and modifiers took on the task of building the 'Truckla' - a term she coined by merging the words Tesla and truck."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... truck.html

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 16 Jun 2019, 07:31

The interior colour isn't a problem Dax, they will only be doing a black interior for LHD models.....if you want I can find you some links on Tesla's official position on this...
Yup $66,000 for a new Tesla 3 plus on road costs :)

As they say in the link no one in their right mind is going to do real 4wd in a $200,000 vehicle, just like no one would take a porche or even a Mazda SUV to the cape, but if they need to do a bit of off road activity at least they know the car wont flip or get easily bogged... There are lots of Tesla YouTube on the snow and they do pretty well, even with normal tyres they get good grip, a lot better than other CARS.

As there are no real off road EV's yet ,it's really a mute point though...how well a Tesla does on dirt, no EV is good on the dirt with the idea of outback OZ.

If you think about it, of all the EV's available to customers right now, the Tesla X would be the best off road vehicle (just no really good off road vehicles available)...

In the few months Tesla will be announcing their Ute... So Rivian or Tesla will be the choice for the next few year's... The other car companies are giving vague threats of EV utes but nothing concrete yet, then expect a 3-5 year wait before they will be released... :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 16 Jun 2019, 07:00

DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/354477/tesla-model-x-off-road-mud/
Tesla Model X is completely unprepared to go off-road but it survived and did pretty well.
Tesla Model X 90D with stock tires, high suspension setting and slip start mode was recently tested off-road in the mud, steep hills, and sharp undulations by Out of Spec Motoring.
We must admit it looks scary sometimes and it's hard to recommend risking such ae xpensive car to pass the obstacles. However, the Model X survived without damage it seems. The electric all-wheel drive and traction control cope pretty well

It seem the rumours of Tesla's not being good on the dirt where exaggerated..... :purple


Hilarious, they did that video on a bit of a muddy track right beside a highway and at about 10kph, they travelled over the same holes over and over and they were just small mud holes, nothing like what you get in Aus off road. Try taking a tesla on hundreds of klms of corrugated gravel, sand or rock roads and don't forget the bull dust pits that are abundant on the outback roads.

By the way, the price of a tesla model 3 in Aus is over $70000 plus on road costs as I have said. A lady I know has been told she will get hers at the end of August and they are yet to provide a final price because she has to select her colour interior decor from what is going to be available in Aus and that won't be known until Tesla send them list of what is coming. My osteo friend has cancelled her tesla after that and is buying a kona highlander, took her for a long drive and she just loved it. Have told her it might e better to wait for 6-12 months as there are many EVs coming into Aus during that time, but no, she wants one now and so has ordered her kona.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 15 Jun 2019, 07:22

https://insideevs.com/news/354477/tesla ... -road-mud/
Tesla Model X is completely unprepared to go off-road but it survived and did pretty well.
Tesla Model X 90D with stock tires, high suspension setting and slip start mode was recently tested off-road in the mud, steep hills, and sharp undulations by Out of Spec Motoring.
We must admit it looks scary sometimes and it's hard to recommend risking such ae xpensive car to pass the obstacles. However, the Model X survived without damage it seems. The electric all-wheel drive and traction control cope pretty well

It seem the rumours of Tesla's not being good on the dirt where exaggerated..... :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 15 Jun 2019, 06:30

Sprintcyclist wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:
Wow, so Mitsubishis are good?


I've owned a couple in the past... while not as refined as some of the other cars, the damn things just keep going. You couldn't kill them if you tried. And they offer the best warranties (or they did the last time i was in the market, but that was a few years ago)


yes, well, they have won many paris to dakkar comps.
Sure, those vehicles are different, but Mitsi know how to build them.
My wife has a lancer wagon, great fun wagon. Can really feel the rallying pedigree in it

my last ute was a Mitsubishi and did over 200k and never had a problem, as john says their warrantee's are very good as well.as 5 years then 10 years on drive train :purple

The Overlander as a plug in hybrid SUV that is sold in Aus and is a very good seller worldwide... :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Sprintcyclist » 14 Jun 2019, 21:44

johnsmith wrote:
Sprintcyclist wrote:
Wow, so Mitsubishis are good?


I've owned a couple in the past... while not as refined as some of the other cars, the damn things just keep going. You couldn't kill them if you tried. And they offer the best warranties (or they did the last time i was in the market, but that was a few years ago)


yes, well, they have won many paris to dakkar comps.
Sure, those vehicles are different, but Mitsi know how to build them.
My wife has a lancer wagon, great fun wagon. Can really feel the rallying pedigree in it

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by johnsmith » 14 Jun 2019, 20:14

Sprintcyclist wrote:
Wow, so Mitsubishis are good?


I've owned a couple in the past... while not as refined as some of the other cars, the damn things just keep going. You couldn't kill them if you tried. And they offer the best warranties (or they did the last time i was in the market, but that was a few years ago)

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Sprintcyclist » 14 Jun 2019, 19:54

Dax wrote:The revolution is well underway, in the next year or so, we will have a huge number of EV's to chose from and now Toyota and Subaru have taken up the challenge together.

"Toyota and Subaru to develop joint electric car platform
Toyota and Subaru will join forces to form a platform for EVs
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Toyota and Subaru will jointly develop a new electric vehicle platform suitable for mid-sized and large passenger cars, including sedans and crossovers.

In addition to this, the two Japanese automakers will also use the new EV architecture to develop a new c-segment crossover together, with each brand selling a version of this vehicle.

According to the two companies, the new platform will use Toyota's electrification technologies and Subaru's all-wheel drive expertise. Both carmakers will shift their existing electric car development over to this new project."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-an ... rce=theage


Toyota and Subaru are a good marriage

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Sprintcyclist » 14 Jun 2019, 19:50

DonDeeHippy wrote:
Dax wrote:We will see and land cruisers aren't over priced, have 2 of them. One is a 1986 more than 30years old a series 60 turbo sahara, which a couple of years ago entered the 1 million klms range and has had a full engine and auto gearbox rebuilt, our senior chef manager and band drummer (lady) drives it.

Then there's my 1991 1hdt turbo cruiser, which has done just over 730000klms and recently had an engine rebuild. Everything else is original and only did that rebuild because an engine reconditioning friend offered to do it for cost, because we installed his solar system for cost.

I expect to change my mind a number of times before settling on an EV replacement for my cruiser, the number of varieties of Ev's will only escalate and prices will drop dramatically as more come onto the market. Sticking with one model and claiming it will be the winner is rather short sighted, If I'd taken that blindly stubborn approach to my life, would never got to where I am and would be dead a few times over.

At the moment am loving the Kona, such a cool little car to drive and overtaking is such a dream, you're past them before they realise you're even there and no need to exceed the speed limit with such incredibly rapid acceleration.

Same price of a Land cruiser you can get 2 Navara's use half the fuel ,more power, twice the comfort and the same towing and carrying capacity.
The only plus is with the V8 motors you can rip the baffles out and they sound pretty cool.

Over priced to the shithouse, we use just about every ute and the cruiser's while seemingly tough, are rough ,fuel hungry monsters and still need to spend a fortune to get their suspension up to scratch, just like the others....
We do lots of 4wd jobs and carry around 3 to3.5 tonne trailers everywhere, the toughest out of the lot with hardly any work done is a old Mitsubishi 2008 triton, just unbreakable.... :purple

Although I do wish I had a EV though and trying to juggle the old pocket book to get one, I might have to wait a few years and get a second hand one though....


Wow, so Mitsubishis are good?

And, for the money a real bargain

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by johnsmith » 14 Jun 2019, 17:49

was talking to a Tesla owner today (tesla S)... I asked him how he found the car

his answer "Fucken Brilliant'.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Sprintcyclist » 14 Jun 2019, 09:29

DonDeeHippy wrote:I found the link its a good read
https://www.racq.com.au/TheRoadAhead/Ar ... er-highway

Mission accomplished, we looked back on a 2122km journey during which we’d recharged six times, for a total of about seven hours. The electricity hadn’t cost us a cent, thanks to the State Government’s extended free-charging period, meaning we’d saved roughly $240 in equivalent fuel costs, or $105 were we paying for the recharges.


thanks Don.

that's pretty good. 'petrol' is 1/2 price.
servicing will be a lot cheaper, lets call that 1/4 price.

Good going

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 14 Jun 2019, 07:34

The thing I noticed is they did 2200km's and it took 7 hours to charge….the free charging network the QLD government did isn't that fast..

the Kona would of been full charged (400km) so 7 hours for 1800km's charge...so about 260km's a hour recharge...

The new chargers being built will do about 800km's a hour and the New Tesla supercharger 3 will do 1000km....It's just being released now .
So in a few years a trip like this will take less than 2 hours of recharging and about 5 breaks , if you have a family or like me and need a break every couple of hours, a EV wouldn't add any more time to my trip than a normal car..
As it is 7 hours isn't much waiting if it's free, if they saved $240 that's a saving of $35 a hour....

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by pinkeye » 13 Jun 2019, 23:20

Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:I found the link its a good read
https://www.racq.com.au/TheRoadAhead/Ar ... er-highway

Mission accomplished, we looked back on a 2122km journey during which we’d recharged six times, for a total of about seven hours. The electricity hadn’t cost us a cent, thanks to the State Government’s extended free-charging period, meaning we’d saved roughly $240 in equivalent fuel costs, or $105 were we paying for the recharges.

*** So you're saying if you paid for the recharges it would cost nearly half of what it costs for the eqivalent in petrol?

--> The business case almost doesn't make sense then to most I would assume... :yak yak :yak yak


Well my friend you know what they say about using the word 'assume'.? Yeah? :yak yak :roll :bgrin

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 13 Jun 2019, 13:24

DonDeeHippy wrote:I found the link its a good read
https://www.racq.com.au/TheRoadAhead/Ar ... er-highway

Mission accomplished, we looked back on a 2122km journey during which we’d recharged six times, for a total of about seven hours. The electricity hadn’t cost us a cent, thanks to the State Government’s extended free-charging period, meaning we’d saved roughly $240 in equivalent fuel costs, or $105 were we paying for the recharges.

*** So you're saying if you paid for the recharges it would cost nearly half of what it costs for the eqivalent in petrol?

--> The business case almost doesn't make sense then to most I would assume... :yak yak :yak yak

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 13 Jun 2019, 07:25

I found the link its a good read
https://www.racq.com.au/TheRoadAhead/Ar ... er-highway

Mission accomplished, we looked back on a 2122km journey during which we’d recharged six times, for a total of about seven hours. The electricity hadn’t cost us a cent, thanks to the State Government’s extended free-charging period, meaning we’d saved roughly $240 in equivalent fuel costs, or $105 were we paying for the recharges.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 13 Jun 2019, 06:44

pinkeye wrote:
Dax wrote:We will see and land cruisers aren't over priced, have 2 of them. One is a 1986 more than 30years old a series 60 turbo sahara, which a couple of years ago entered the 1 million klms range and has had a full engine and auto gearbox rebuilt, our senior chef manager and band drummer (lady) drives it.

Then there's my 1991 1hdt turbo cruiser, which has done just over 730000klms and recently had an engine rebuild. Everything else is original and only did that rebuild because an engine reconditioning friend offered to do it for cost, because we installed his solar system for cost.

I expect to change my mind a number of times before settling on an EV replacement for my cruiser, the number of varieties of Ev's will only escalate and prices will drop dramatically as more come onto the market. Sticking with one model and claiming it will be the winner is rather short sighted, If I'd taken that blindly stubborn approach to my life, would never got to where I am and would be dead a few times over.

At the moment am loving the Kona, such a cool little car to drive and overtaking is such a dream, you're past them before they realise you're even there and no need to exceed the speed limit with such incredibly rapid acceleration.



I get The Road Ahead... the RacQ Mag.. and they just took a Kona EV from Brisbane to Cairns.
Interesting read indeed.

ahh thanks pink i'll read mine when it gets here, not just chuck in the bin :)

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by pinkeye » 12 Jun 2019, 21:58

Dax wrote:We will see and land cruisers aren't over priced, have 2 of them. One is a 1986 more than 30years old a series 60 turbo sahara, which a couple of years ago entered the 1 million klms range and has had a full engine and auto gearbox rebuilt, our senior chef manager and band drummer (lady) drives it.

Then there's my 1991 1hdt turbo cruiser, which has done just over 730000klms and recently had an engine rebuild. Everything else is original and only did that rebuild because an engine reconditioning friend offered to do it for cost, because we installed his solar system for cost.

I expect to change my mind a number of times before settling on an EV replacement for my cruiser, the number of varieties of Ev's will only escalate and prices will drop dramatically as more come onto the market. Sticking with one model and claiming it will be the winner is rather short sighted, If I'd taken that blindly stubborn approach to my life, would never got to where I am and would be dead a few times over.

At the moment am loving the Kona, such a cool little car to drive and overtaking is such a dream, you're past them before they realise you're even there and no need to exceed the speed limit with such incredibly rapid acceleration.



I get The Road Ahead... the RacQ Mag.. and they just took a Kona EV from Brisbane to Cairns.
Interesting read indeed.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 12 Jun 2019, 12:06

Dax wrote:We will see and land cruisers aren't over priced, have 2 of them. One is a 1986 more than 30years old a series 60 turbo sahara, which a couple of years ago entered the 1 million klms range and has had a full engine and auto gearbox rebuilt, our senior chef manager and band drummer (lady) drives it.

Then there's my 1991 1hdt turbo cruiser, which has done just over 730000klms and recently had an engine rebuild. Everything else is original and only did that rebuild because an engine reconditioning friend offered to do it for cost, because we installed his solar system for cost.

I expect to change my mind a number of times before settling on an EV replacement for my cruiser, the number of varieties of Ev's will only escalate and prices will drop dramatically as more come onto the market. Sticking with one model and claiming it will be the winner is rather short sighted, If I'd taken that blindly stubborn approach to my life, would never got to where I am and would be dead a few times over.

At the moment am loving the Kona, such a cool little car to drive and overtaking is such a dream, you're past them before they realise you're even there and no need to exceed the speed limit with such incredibly rapid acceleration.

Same price of a Land cruiser you can get 2 Navara's use half the fuel ,more power, twice the comfort and the same towing and carrying capacity.
The only plus is with the V8 motors you can rip the baffles out and they sound pretty cool.

Over priced to the shithouse, we use just about every ute and the cruiser's while seemingly tough, are rough ,fuel hungry monsters and still need to spend a fortune to get their suspension up to scratch, just like the others....
We do lots of 4wd jobs and carry around 3 to3.5 tonne trailers everywhere, the toughest out of the lot with hardly any work done is a old Mitsubishi 2008 triton, just unbreakable.... :purple

Although I do wish I had a EV though and trying to juggle the old pocket book to get one, I might have to wait a few years and get a second hand one though....

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 12 Jun 2019, 10:04

We will see and land cruisers aren't over priced, have 2 of them. One is a 1986 more than 30years old a series 60 turbo sahara, which a couple of years ago entered the 1 million klms range and has had a full engine and auto gearbox rebuilt, our senior chef manager and band drummer (lady) drives it.

Then there's my 1991 1hdt turbo cruiser, which has done just over 730000klms and recently had an engine rebuild. Everything else is original and only did that rebuild because an engine reconditioning friend offered to do it for cost, because we installed his solar system for cost.

I expect to change my mind a number of times before settling on an EV replacement for my cruiser, the number of varieties of Ev's will only escalate and prices will drop dramatically as more come onto the market. Sticking with one model and claiming it will be the winner is rather short sighted, If I'd taken that blindly stubborn approach to my life, would never got to where I am and would be dead a few times over.

At the moment am loving the Kona, such a cool little car to drive and overtaking is such a dream, you're past them before they realise you're even there and no need to exceed the speed limit with such incredibly rapid acceleration.

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by DonDeeHippy » 12 Jun 2019, 06:58

Dax wrote:May have to change my mind about a Rivian, Toyota has stepped up its plans for Ev's, by a few years and intends having big 4x4's in a couple of years. Bye bye tesla for Aus as they won't be able to compete in price and terrain ability, tesla's don't do very well on dirt roads they say.

"In a speech, Shigeki Terashi, Toyota's powertrain chief, outlined the company's revised electric vehicle plans.

As part of its new accelerated timeline, the company is now planning to launch 10 EVs into global markets by the "early 2020s"."

https://--121610.html?trackLink=SMH3&ut ... rce=theage

Yes 10 ev's but still betting on hybrids... If they start now in 5 years they will have vehicles… that's the usual time to go from plan to selling them.. If you look they are only releasing full EV;s in china to begin with.
Whats good about Tesla is they build stuff very fast and if they start selling in numbers here their network will go with it, They just released their Supercharger 3 as well to the public with 250kwh charging.
If Tesla make a 4wd ute it will be able to go on the dirt Dax, I noticed Elon has said they will release a Ute under $50,000 usd as well, I think the Rivien is $75,000 min...
$50,000 USD for their F truck will be about the same price of a Land cruiser, it's not that the Tesla are particularly cheep it's just the land cruisers are so over priced...
will be interesting times.. :purple

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Dax » 12 Jun 2019, 06:03

May have to change my mind about a Rivian, Toyota has stepped up its plans for Ev's, by a few years and intends having big 4x4's in a couple of years. Bye bye tesla for Aus as they won't be able to compete in price and terrain ability, tesla's don't do very well on dirt roads they say.

"In a speech, Shigeki Terashi, Toyota's powertrain chief, outlined the company's revised electric vehicle plans.

As part of its new accelerated timeline, the company is now planning to launch 10 EVs into global markets by the "early 2020s"."

https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-st ... rce=theage

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by Bongalong » 10 Jun 2019, 15:52

johnsmith wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/353600/toyota-six-global-bevs/

Toyota, after years of neglecting of all-electric cars, announced today a huge offensive with a new platform, global models of various type as well as ultra-compact and walking area BEVs.
The new plan envisions rollout of all-electric vehicles from 2020 (starting with Toyota C-HR BEV and Toyota IZOA BEV twins in China) and Toyota says that by 2025, all models to have electrified version (at least hybrid).
In the early 2020s, Toyota would like to introduce 10 BEV models worldwide, including six global models, based on e-TNGA platform.
If we look at the general plan, you can notice however that expected BEV sales are low compared to hybrid and plug-in hybrid share. Interestingly, Toyota doesn't see much market share for hydrogen fuel cell cars by 2050 either.

What is a BEV?



Battery Electric Vehicle


Oh, so BEV is FULLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE ?!?

:bike :bike


yes, it's not a hybrid

Co-generation then offically becomes the status quo!

Who knew ?!!? :roll

Re: Electric Vehicals this week

Post by johnsmith » 10 Jun 2019, 15:41

Bongalong wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Bongalong wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:https://insideevs.com/news/353600/toyota-six-global-bevs/

Toyota, after years of neglecting of all-electric cars, announced today a huge offensive with a new platform, global models of various type as well as ultra-compact and walking area BEVs.
The new plan envisions rollout of all-electric vehicles from 2020 (starting with Toyota C-HR BEV and Toyota IZOA BEV twins in China) and Toyota says that by 2025, all models to have electrified version (at least hybrid).
In the early 2020s, Toyota would like to introduce 10 BEV models worldwide, including six global models, based on e-TNGA platform.
If we look at the general plan, you can notice however that expected BEV sales are low compared to hybrid and plug-in hybrid share. Interestingly, Toyota doesn't see much market share for hydrogen fuel cell cars by 2050 either.

What is a BEV?



Battery Electric Vehicle


Oh, so BEV is FULLY ELECTRIC VEHICLE ?!?

:bike :bike


yes, it's not a hybrid

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