Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

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Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Apr 2019, 23:23

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Apr 2019, 23:20

Extent is a tad lower than huge El Nino year 2016!

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 03 Apr 2019, 19:54

I don't think the arctic sea ice volume anomaly is good either.... :PC

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 03 Apr 2019, 18:28

lol, check this out:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

This is dated Tuesday the 2nd of April....

Looks very interesting going forward lol!

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 03 Apr 2019, 18:18

I am very interested in what the dmi temp is doing today.... haven't looked it up yet!

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Apr 2019, 18:17

What is happening to the Jet Stream is important. Even the Arctic vortex has been affected, splitting.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 02 Apr 2019, 16:18

HBS Guy wrote:Fucks sake, look at two of them at least!

Prof. Eric Rignot, glaciologist another genuine source of infor re Arctic, Antarctic and Greenland.

Why, i already believe you?

R u trying to chase me up a flaming pole mate??

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Apr 2019, 16:16

Fucks sake, look at two of them at least!

Prof. Eric Rignot, glaciologist another genuine source of infor re Arctic, Antarctic and Greenland.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 02 Apr 2019, 16:13

HBS Guy wrote:It will be instructive to find some of Dr Francis’ work on YouTube. Unlike the grifter Dubyne she knows what she is talking about.

Yeh, well just call me Atlas! :B

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Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Apr 2019, 16:05

It will be instructive to find some of Dr Francis’ work on YouTube. Unlike the grifter Dubyne she knows what she is talking about.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 02 Apr 2019, 16:01

HBS Guy wrote:No fucking way: do research, post it here! Nothing more important than that I reckon.

I broke down and had a look at the Dubyne MRB on OzPol. Booby, as expected, making a huge fuss about cold in Melbourne being. . .drum roll. . .{eldritch music}. . .being, well, the coldest since 2015. Twentyfuckingfifteen! Of course the whole summer, several months, here being the hottest on record, not mentioned.

This is the change in distribution of Australian max and min temperatures since 1950:

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(Global temperatures show a similar shift, these are nicer graphs.)

Look at the maximum temperatures. The difference between the 1950 and the recent temperature ditsributions is that the peak of the recent temperature graph is lower than the peak in 1950. I asked Booby what that meant—he had not a clue.

It means the temperature distribution is more dispersed, not clustering tightly around the mode or mean (temperature with the most observations or the average of the temperatures in the distribution. How have the temperatures moved? Look at the Max. Temp. curve.

The mean and mode have moved to the warm side and the curve for the latest distribution is skewed to the warm side—more observations on one side of the mean or mode, less on the other. Look at the two “tails” of the distribution, the parts between -2 to -4 and +2 to +4. The positive or warm tail is way bigger than the negative or cool tail. So Australia can expect more warmth, and more extreme warmth, more occasions of high maximum temperatures than it can expect lower maximum temperatures. In fact, the right hand side or warm tail shows we can expect lots more extreme heat events even if temperatures were to stabilise now. Something to think about.

Now let us have a look at the distribution of minimum temperatures. This curve, this distribution, has become tighter, less variation in cold events. Despite that, its righthand or warm “tail” is now also bigger than its cold tail. We do not get the cold we used to get.

Now Seth and Texan are champing at the bit to refute all that—what about the cold this winter in parts of Canada and CONUS they are screaming? That is due to AGW and Arctic Amplification of it weakening the Jet Stream and causing it to meander—a trough in the northern Jet Stream located over those parts of Canada and POTUS allowed Arctic air to move south into the parts covered by that bow. As a result of the cold air leaving the Arctic warmer air moved into the Arctic warming it—consequently the ice extent has started decreasing again.

Go to YouTube and search for videos by Dr Jennifer Francis—expert on the Jet Streams, really deserves a Nobel Prize for her work.

As I said, look at cold “records” mainly coldest since 3 years, 5 years, worst case coldest since the 1980s. Record warm temperatures, on the other hand, tend to be “hottest on record.”

Don't f'n tell me to do endless research! --> bean counters are bean counters :hot :hot :hot :hot :hot :PC

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Apr 2019, 15:55

No fucking way: do research, post it here! Nothing more important than that I reckon.

I broke down and had a look at the Dubyne MRB on OzPol. Booby, as expected, making a huge fuss about cold in Melbourne being. . .drum roll. . .{eldritch music}. . .being, well, the coldest since 2015. Twentyfuckingfifteen! Of course the whole summer, several months, here being the hottest on record, not mentioned.

This is the change in distribution of Australian max and min temperatures since 1950:

Image

(Global temperatures show a similar shift, these are nicer graphs.)

Look at the maximum temperatures. The difference between the 1950 and the recent temperature ditsributions is that the peak of the recent temperature graph is lower than the peak in 1950. I asked Booby what that meant—he had not a clue.

It means the temperature distribution is more dispersed, not clustering tightly around the mode or mean (temperature with the most observations or the average of the temperatures in the distribution. How have the temperatures moved? Look at the Max. Temp. curve.

The mean and mode have moved to the warm side and the curve for the latest distribution is skewed to the warm side—more observations on one side of the mean or mode, less on the other. Look at the two “tails” of the distribution, the parts between -2 to -4 and +2 to +4. The positive or warm tail is way bigger than the negative or cool tail. So Australia can expect more warmth, and more extreme warmth, more occasions of high maximum temperatures than it can expect lower maximum temperatures. In fact, the right hand side or warm tail shows we can expect lots more extreme heat events even if temperatures were to stabilise now. Something to think about.

Now let us have a look at the distribution of minimum temperatures. This curve, this distribution, has become tighter, less variation in cold events. Despite that, its righthand or warm “tail” is now also bigger than its cold tail. We do not get the cold we used to get.

Now Seth and Texan are champing at the bit to refute all that—what about the cold this winter in parts of Canada and CONUS they are screaming? That is due to AGW and Arctic Amplification of it weakening the Jet Stream and causing it to meander—a trough in the northern Jet Stream located over those parts of Canada and POTUS allowed Arctic air to move south into the parts covered by that bow. As a result of the cold air leaving the Arctic warmer air moved into the Arctic warming it—consequently the ice extent has started decreasing again.

Go to YouTube and search for videos by Dr Jennifer Francis—expert on the Jet Streams, really deserves a Nobel Prize for her work.

As I said, look at cold “records” mainly coldest since 3 years, 5 years, worst case coldest since the 1980s. Record warm temperatures, on the other hand, tend to be “hottest on record.”

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 02 Apr 2019, 15:17

I'm doing no more research: I take it your aim is true! (With a triple bunch of salt of course, ahahahahaha!!!)

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 01 Apr 2019, 17:15

I said 18°C and that is indeed an anomaly for a Dutch winter!

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 01 Apr 2019, 14:50

Secondly, if you want to tell me to go and do some homework then bow to the apathy of democracy my friend and don't go thinking you are one measure of a cut above the fray!

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 01 Apr 2019, 14:48

I thought I followed up your Holland clue and found that 18C wasn't such an anomaly! (I'm not sure if you said 18C before, maybe more like 15C?!!?)

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 01 Apr 2019, 14:41

The thermohaline circulation is in trouble.

Both Arctic and Antarctic—more melt water which is fresh water and so floats on top of the warmer but heavier, due to the salt content of that water. The Gulf Stream, the part coming from the Gulf of Mexico along the east coast of the US is sort of being blocked by the cold fresh water. So the warm water in the “Atlantic Conveyor” heads west rather than north.

This was expected to give the British Isles cold winters and very hot summers. Yet England had 21°C days this winter and Holland had 18°C days. Incredible! Holland averages 18°C over summer! It was fucking cold when I lived there as a young child, cold even in summer!

If you want to know more, DRAH, do some research. I will be fascinated to know how knowledge/events are progressing.

Couple winters ago England had the “Beast from the East” but this NH winter the US copped it—a bow in the Jet Stream let Arctic air move south over parts of Canada and the CONUS. Yet Alaska has been warm for some years—the shape of the Jet Stream.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 01 Apr 2019, 14:18

HBS Guy wrote:The North Atlantic Oscillation is now sending cold water north and, presumably, warm water south. In 2-17 years that will reverse once again. This oscillation has happened all through the time the Jacobshavn glacier has retreated over how ever many decades.

WHAT ABOUT THE THERMOHALINE CYCLE?

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 01 Apr 2019, 14:16

The North Atlantic Oscillation is now sending cold water north and, presumably, warm water south. In 2-17 years that will reverse once again. This oscillation has happened all through the time the Jacobshavn glacier has retreated over how ever many decades.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 01 Apr 2019, 12:32

Dax wrote:Only fools refuse to learn about the reality of the world they live in and the effect it will have on them and their future.

If global thermohaline circulation stops, things may cool down in the nth hemisphere for awhile, before really heating up and it will change the weather patterns dramatically and not for the better.

Well, was monk saying it was reversing in the Arctic or it simply reverses as a normal matter of course?

:bike

He won't explain....

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Dax » 01 Apr 2019, 12:20

Only fools refuse to learn about the reality of the world they live in and the effect it will have on them and their future.

If global thermohaline circulation stops, things may cool down in the nth hemisphere for awhile, before really heating up and it will change the weather patterns dramatically and not for the better.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 01 Apr 2019, 10:46

HBS Guy wrote:Then you need to read up a basic source about the global thermohaline circulation—and how it is being affected by AGW.

Yeh, well, I don't really understand what you're saying so.... thus the public is confused!

It's a propaganda game... it's called politics!

If you subsidise a section of the regulated marketplace then it's going to become harder and harder to withdraw that injection because the rest of the economy has weaved its tentacles around it. If you want to tell the voting public to go get an education then they will just stick with the devil they know..... aslong as they've got beer and breaded chicken in the fridge why should they, en masse, give a shit?

Get a brain buddy :beer

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by HBS Guy » 31 Mar 2019, 19:50

Then you need to read up a basic source about the global thermohaline circulation—and how it is being affected by AGW.

Re: Deniers’ Delight—Jacobshavn glacier

Post by Bongalong » 31 Mar 2019, 17:24

HBS Guy wrote:It is the ocean that does it, the thermohaline does reverse at the Arctic, cold water sinks. Problem is so much melting the water is fresh and so lighter than the water it floats on.

Lol, is that the complication? The thermohaline reverses at the north pole?!!?

:c :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup :gup

(Yeh, uh: I don't think I quite get why...................... :gsp :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :gsp :gsp :gsp )

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