Well, THAT was a shock to the system

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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 19 Jun 2018, 18:47

Four cubic metres of pine bark ordered. Pine needles would have been better, ah well. The guy that slashed my block at the start of each summer will do the spreading, will get this done again near summer, replenish the mulch where the trees will go to 5cm deep, spread the rest out besides the rows so widening the area of soil being amended. Amended by soil critters not me! Excellent!

My cider apples are on M111 rootstocks. Vigorous. 4.6m spacing between trees, 5m between rows is exactly right.

My cherry trees are on Colt rootstock. This site gives planting distance as 2.4–3.0m and I will plant them at 2.5m intervals. Before I do I better work out the shadow line from the house: if he cherry trees are in shade for a fair bit of the day they will crop less and grow more. Can always plant them in row 4 not row 5, 2 metres further from the house.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2018, 18:30

Redoing my humungous and increasingly badly organised spreadsheet as at least 2 spreadsheets, probably three.

One will cover the variety of trees including blossoming time, harvest time, pollination need (self fertile, needs cross-pollination (most apples and cherries) type (bittersweet, bittersharp, tart or sweet.) At one stage I was contemplating buying a tart French cider apple—buy a French tart :roll :bgrin . I will add to this complete descriptions of the trees: appearance, growth habit, disease susceptibility/resistance, appearance of the fruit etc.

The other the locations of trees, the rows and the individual trees. From this can calculate home much loam/compost/mulch etc I need to buy, distances hoses have to run to each row, distances of hoses along each row.

So putting my holiday to good use.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Aussie » 11 Jun 2018, 13:18

Gladys wrote:Thanks from Montamarta.


Oooooooo....a visitor from Holland no less!

:roll

Hi Agnes. Did you use a Dutch IP when you registered as 'Party Time?'

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2018, 13:13

Have drafted what I can of the plan. Pen has dried out so tomorrow will visit OfficeWorks. Need some more colored pencils and an eraser as well.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 20 May 2018, 23:30

I thought Agnes didn’t read here?

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Gladys » 20 May 2018, 21:43

Thanks from Montamarta.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 20 May 2018, 20:40

Aussie wrote:
Gladys wrote:What happened to the B&B idea?


I approved that in your absence Mr Smith. There is nothing new or controversial in the content.


all good.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Aussie » 20 May 2018, 20:38

Gladys wrote:What happened to the B&B idea?


I approved that in your absence Mr Smith. There is nothing new or controversial in the content.

Some wanker using an Amsterdam proxy.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Gladys » 20 May 2018, 19:42

What happened to the B&B idea?

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 20 May 2018, 19:18

Tansy too. Great insect repellent and attract lady beetles, lacewings, minute pirate bugs, and parasitic wasps.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 20 May 2018, 08:22

Plant some fennel in the hedgerow. Encourages wasps parasitic on aphids.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 18 May 2018, 09:49

HBS Guy wrote:Yes, am pleased with myself. Miketrees thinks I have spaced the trees a bit far apart but if so, too late to do anything about it. I think light can get through to all the trees.


I have been thinking about this, like planting semi-dwarf eating apples—how many apples can I eat???

So I decided to look up optimum planting distances:

OrangePippin site:

Larger semi-vigorous rootstocks

Fruit tree spacing [when] using vigorous rootstocks

Apple - MM111
Pear - Pyrodwarf
Cherry - Colt

Distance between trees: 4.5m - 5m
Spread: 4.5m


These semi-vigorous rootstocks are more vigorous than the mainstream semi-vigorous rootstocks and need a bit more space.

These rootstocks are best suited to training as half-standards.


So at 4.6m apart, 5m between rows I think I have it right. The trees have canopies 3-4m wide and are 2 - 3.5m tall.

The cherry trees are on dwarf (NOT stallion) rootstocks and are 2 -2.5m tall. Will plant them as standalone trees 2m apart, take up 14m of Row 5 which is fine. Dwarf apple trees will go in Row 4 and perry pears two rows at the front of the garden.

I am going to plant rosemary, sage and oregano in Row 4 for now, plant spuds where I can between trees and hope to get clivia to plant around the trees. Things go better with lots of different things planted/interplanted. Might sow some lemon balm and borage and they self seed so much should keep going over summer. Comfrey is another thing I want to plant.

No point ATM in trying to plant clover or whatever in the rows between the trees—so much wasteland around, former farmland subdivided then nothing done for decades that gorse, couch, kikuyu etc etc will come up regardless of what I do or plant. There is a piece of land across the road from me that is full of weeds and gorse and ti trees etc etc etc: owner needs to do things he can’t afford before subdividing. Across the road a little way past my backfence is farmland, think just grazing land, not crops. So weeds aplenty setting seed that the wind carries to my block. I could pray all the weeds on my block die I suppose :pope

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 12 May 2018, 09:36

Had a bit of a look on Gum Tree.

A big roll of lucerne hay $80, equivalent of 15-20 small bales. Cheap! That guy is not where I am but I bet I can find similar near me.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 11 May 2018, 20:51

Been reading about simple (no chemicals/microscope etc.)

Interesting. About 6-7 tests can be done with little gear: spade, sheet of cardboard, hand trowel

Now I know my soil is clay and definitely alkaline but I want to see how it progresses as I work it.

I also have a simple chemical kit to test soil pH and potassium, phosphorus and nitrogen content. Can do 10 tests of each, 1 test of 3 or 4 locations in Sep, repeat next March. I have enough chemicals to stuff up and repeat a couple of tests. Can buy replacement chemicals for the next two visits.

Ribbon test: http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/alpineresorts/20070596App13.pdf
NSW Environment and Primary Industries departments have some good info (the DPI website has a great section on cider apples.

A YouTube I will look at soon:



Applied Environmentalism.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 03 May 2018, 01:08

Hmmm being sick and tired of reading about apple trees and clay soils I looked in the “Grow Fruit” library book and chose red currants.

Ah bliss! Currants should be planted sheltered from strong winds and hot afternoon sun. Perfect! I will plant the bastards along my back (Eastern) boundary near the southern boundary. The cider apples will shelter them from the NW prevailing wind AND the afternoon sun and they will get the lovely morning sun! Not that the sun gets that hot in Tassie!

White currants and red currants. Maybe a gooseberry bush or 2? Some native Tas. berries incl pepperberry.

The long northern boundary—lots of raspberries. Dunno whether to spread the harvest season by buying very early, early etc ripening berries or just buy lots (60–80) of the best tasting ones. Some blackberries (seedless!) and blueberries might need to be grown in pots with acid potting mix.

Native edibles: http://www.potn.com.au/edible_plants.html

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 28 Apr 2018, 23:23

8 pack of home made cider? Jar raspberry jam?

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by pinkeye » 28 Apr 2018, 22:55

HBS Guy wrote:Hmmmm, the trees I bought last year are “roughly 5-6 feet high. And each one is in a 45kg bag.” Hmmm somehow I doubt my Mazda will be much use carrying all that! The guy will bring them in his ute “for a price” of course. I asked him what the price was so I can ring a couple couriers and get their price.

That is some growth! The guy looking after them said two of the cider apples fruited this year.


For a price. Well, when you become part of the neighbourhood you will find people are willing to do such things for a 6 pack of beer, for example. You sound like you will be doing business, so you really need to get to know your locals. ( 'suce me if I state the obvious)

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 28 Apr 2018, 22:26

Hmmmm, the trees I bought last year are “roughly 5-6 feet high. And each one is in a 45kg bag.” Hmmm somehow I doubt my Mazda will be much use carrying all that! The guy will bring them in his ute “for a price” of course. I asked him what the price was so I can ring a couple couriers and get their price.

That is some growth! The guy looking after them said two of the cider apples fruited this year.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 27 Apr 2018, 20:41

For Booby the gullible fool

https://www.vogelvry.com.au/spring-flowering-bulbs-available-in-late-january/

That place sells bulbs mainly. Look alright to you?

Jesus!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by pinkeye » 26 Apr 2018, 02:09

Aussie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:

that's all we need ... kill the birds now as well as the fish :smack


This is serious business, John. It's about closure for Aussie's inner child.



aussie needs to buy his brother a case of beer and get over it. :thumb


Like farq I will! Pre ten, I was obsessed with kites. Made my own using shitty sticks, brown paper, string around the frame and glue made of flour and water to seat the paper on the string around the frame. Then added the long tails they needed. And then......and then.....the Aussie Indian Kite man bloke came to the Bundy annual Show. Those kites are acrobatic. No tail. Light as a feather, bamboo frame. You can manipulate them to move in all sorts of ways. My parents, over a couple of years until Indian Kite man stopped showing up.....would park me with him for the day.....happy me......and I'd be flying his kites with him.

:bgrin


I remember building kites out of brown paper and sticks too. reading your post reminded me, Aussie. There was no visiting kiteman where i lived tho.

I liked making bows and arrows too. :bgrin

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 25 Apr 2018, 22:22

Curry kite.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Aussie » 25 Apr 2018, 20:20

johnsmith wrote:
mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:

that's all we need ... kill the birds now as well as the fish :smack


This is serious business, John. It's about closure for Aussie's inner child.



aussie needs to buy his brother a case of beer and get over it. :thumb


Like farq I will! Pre ten, I was obsessed with kites. Made my own using shitty sticks, brown paper, string around the frame and glue made of flour and water to seat the paper on the string around the frame. Then added the long tails they needed. And then......and then.....the Aussie Indian Kite man bloke came to the Bundy annual Show. Those kites are acrobatic. No tail. Light as a feather, bamboo frame. You can manipulate them to move in all sorts of ways. My parents, over a couple of years until Indian Kite man stopped showing up.....would park me with him for the day.....happy me......and I'd be flying his kites with him.

:bgrin

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 25 Apr 2018, 19:36

mothra wrote:
johnsmith wrote:

that's all we need ... kill the birds now as well as the fish :smack


This is serious business, John. It's about closure for Aussie's inner child.



aussie needs to buy his brother a case of beer and get over it. :thumb

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by mothra » 25 Apr 2018, 19:35

johnsmith wrote:

that's all we need ... kill the birds now as well as the fish :smack


This is serious business, John. It's about closure for Aussie's inner child.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 25 Apr 2018, 19:33

mothra wrote:
Aussie wrote:Where are the far king tears for me and my Indian kite?

:bgrin


Onwards and upwards, Aussie. Here:




that's all we need ... kill the birds now as well as the fish :smack

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