Well, THAT was a shock to the system

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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Aug 2018, 23:32

Hmmm was gonna plant the cherries on the northern half of rows 4&5. Changed my mind, they are taller than the dwarf perry pears and so the shade line of the house won’t bother them as much. The Kentish sour will go on the northern side of the southern half of row 4—self fertile but won’t fertilise sweet cherries. Stella will go on northern side of the southern half of row 5, the westernmost row: cherry pollen can be blown by wind so having the other cherry trees south and east of the Stella means the wind can blow the Stella cross–fertilising pollen on to them.

Will ensure plenty of bee attracting plants that have some blooming in mid–late winter to end spring—some apples won’t blossom until first half of November. Some herbs are good: plant onion and parsley, will grow, set seed and the seed heads attract all sorts of good insects. Fennel too. Succulents, nice and tough, no watering needed in summer.

Next year for understory plants: Tas, pepperleaf and pepperberry (a male and a couple female plants,) red and black currants, gooseberries, native Tassie berries and more herbs, tansy, sage and oregano.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 01 Aug 2018, 20:50

Was at Westfield Marion on the weekend, got a couple books cheap:

“Be your own builder” not that I will be but the book describes the process, building inspectors etc.

“Lofts—new dimension” because I want a second story if at all possible.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 30 Jul 2018, 22:53

Received two books today:

“Cherries” by D. J. Singh.

Published 2014 but outdated. Mentions cherry trees growing huge, bigger than apple trees. Not on dwarfing rootstocks they don’t.

The other one will be much more useful—remember my concern with the rootstock my cherries are on, Semi dwarfing Colt rootstock.

“Grow a little fruit tree” by Ann Ralph. Keeping trees to a useful size by pruning.

With dwarf rootstocks and pruning you can grow fruit trees even on a balcony!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 29 Jul 2018, 16:15

Pretty much everybody here could grow citrus and granny smith apples. Grannies grow—and fruit—in Sydney, practically no chill hours needed.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 29 Jul 2018, 16:01

https://www.orangepippintrees.com/articles/fruit-tree-advice/rootstocks-for-cherry-trees

(a VERY useful site for anybody contemplating planting a fruit tree or two. Think I have mentioned this site before. If more people grew more of their own fruit & veges food miles would be a bit less. Having chickens not only gives you incredibly tasty, truly fresh eggs it helps with growing food. Free fertiliser is the least part of it! OK, sermon over.)

Colt semi-vigorous rootstock
This rootstock is a form of the seedling cherry Prunus avium, crossed with the less vigorous Prunus pseudocerasus.

It is a good rootstock for growing cherry trees in large gardens and community orchards. It produces a tree with a height of 12ft-14ft in European conditions and somewhat larger in North American conditions. It tolerates poorer soils than Gisela 5 and needs less looking after. It's also useful for large cherry fans. Colt is roughly comparable to the apple MM111 rootstock.

Colt has good compatibility with nearly all cherry varieties, possibly excluding Van, and some resistance to bacterial canker.

It's main drawback in US conditions is that it is not particularly cold-hardy.


Cold hardy—they mean -10°F, nothing like that where I am, thankfully! Colt doesn’t mind clay soil either so that’s good! But that 12–14' can be controlled, 3m is plenty!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 29 Jul 2018, 15:44

https://www.chrisbowers.co.uk/guides/cherry-trees.php

Excellent! Even for cherry trees on colt rootstock (only semi-dwarfing) the trees can be controlled for size with pruning and “bending.” So I can plant them on 2500mm centres in rows 4 & 5, leaving plenty of room for dwarf eating apples or perry pears. Perry is a finer drink than cider so I think I will push on with perry pears trees, order them April next year and plant them April 2020 or maybe get them planted by someone there next april.

Long distance gardening is not easy. From next year my cherry trees will be delivering pretty good crops—will tell my neighbors to net the trees and pick the cherries and maybe check the irrigation system or do a bit of weeding in return.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Jul 2018, 11:38

Ordered 8 cubic metres pine chips. That will see all the rows where the cider apple and cherry trees (+ perry pears?) will get covered with pine chips. That will start amending the clay soil. With the soil in the rows covered the sun can’t bake the clay and soil critters—worms, ground beetles/spiders etc—will eat the chips and drag them into the soil, amending it.

One whole row and three quarters of a second row have already been covered—I had made an egregious error in calculating the amount of chips needed :oops

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Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jul 2018, 08:28

Bought this book from Book Depository just now:

Grow a Little Fruit Tree (Paperback)
By (author) Anna Ralph

How to keep trees small by pruning—think will need this for the cherry trees! Bought a book on how to grow cherry trees, won’t hurt. The “Grow a Little Fruit Tree” book was highly recommended so have some hopes. Colt can be grown as fans—BIG fans. Oh well.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2018, 09:32

In your dreams LOL!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 03 Jul 2018, 08:47

HBS Guy wrote:Bring your own tent!


no problem. I have an 8 man tent ... I can even rent rooms it it to swedish female backpackers. :meet

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2018, 08:29

Bring your own tent!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 03 Jul 2018, 08:02

HBS Guy wrote:Might have some cherry brandy too, by then. And cider and perry, and cyser and peary and cherry melomel!


i won't make it inside for any brandy, I'll be camped by the fig tree for as long as it takes me to eat all the fruit

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 03 Jul 2018, 00:05

Might have some cherry brandy too, by then. And cider and perry, and cyser and peary and cherry melomel!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 02 Jul 2018, 23:40

HBS Guy wrote:Plenty of room in the southern parts of rows 4 & 5. Fig, lemon, peach and room for veges. Plant the trees close together and root competition will keep trees small and fruit count high! I fucking SAID I will buy a Genoa Black Fig!


good. Let me know when your fig has fruit, I'll come for a visit.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Jul 2018, 23:27

Plenty of room in the southern parts of rows 4 & 5. Fig, lemon, peach and room for veges. Plant the trees close together and root competition will keep trees small and fruit count high! I fucking SAID I will buy a Genoa Black Fig!

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by johnsmith » 02 Jul 2018, 23:13

HBS Guy wrote:The info I am getting from Woodbridge tree nursery really doesn’t paint a picture of colt rootstock.

Going to plant them at 2.5m intervals and espalier them as fans, up to 2.5m high. Could grow them as pyramids?

Colt rootstock produces trees 4-5m high. I would be feeding the fucking birds! “keep to 2.5m by pruning” but that doesn’t work, tree grows lots branches not fruit! Can use a branch in the hot smoker some times but it is not a viable strategy.

I think it is Gisella 5 or 6 rootstock. I will act as if that is it and plant the trees 2m apart, espalier as a fan. Leaves loads of room in rows 4&5. Could be my vege patch. Plenty room, feed an army.



i told you, get rid of that and plant some figs. You'll not regret it.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Jul 2018, 22:01

The info I am getting from Woodbridge tree nursery really doesn’t paint a picture of colt rootstock.

Going to plant them at 2.5m intervals and espalier them as fans, up to 2.5m high. Could grow them as pyramids?

Colt rootstock produces trees 4-5m high. I would be feeding the fucking birds! “keep to 2.5m by pruning” but that doesn’t work, tree grows lots branches not fruit! Can use a branch in the hot smoker some times but it is not a viable strategy.

I think it is Gisella 5 or 6 rootstock. I will act as if that is it and plant the trees 2m apart, espalier as a fan. Leaves loads of room in rows 4&5. Could be my vege patch. Plenty room, feed an army.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 30 Jun 2018, 08:07

Will train them as fans. Cherry trees on Colt rootstock (like mine) need permanent support anyway, not much more work to make a trellis. Put them in rows 4 & 5. Just wish I got accurate info on these trees.

The cider apples on M111 rootstock—can cope with clay soils. Thank fuck for that! Tho I have learned heaps on how to plant in clay and how to amend clay etc.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 29 Jun 2018, 22:17

Those fucking cherry trees on the colt rootstock will be as big as the fucking cider apple trees! So will space them the same tho rows 4 & 5 are closer together than rows 1&2 and 2&3. Why the fuck can’t places publish accurate info? Will have to see what I can do.

Train them as espalier in some manner. Wrong info in the nursery website. Have sent them an email, see if I get clarification.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 28 Jun 2018, 18:27

I will plant my cherry trees in rows 4 and 5, on the northern side. That will avoid the house shading the cherry trees when they grow branches etc not fruit. What to do with the rest of rows 4 & 5 is to be decided later. Not a clue right now, depends on whether house is 1 storey or two. Like the idea of a two storey house.

Got a book on Holistic Orchard management, Growing Apples and Mycorrhizal planet. Fungus! :c :c :c

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 24 Jun 2018, 10:17

Heh, I should have ordered hardwood chips. Too bad, pine is better than leaving the clay soil bare where the trees will go. Will replenish the mulch with hardwood chips in December.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 19 Jun 2018, 18:47

Four cubic metres of pine bark ordered. Pine needles would have been better, ah well. The guy that slashed my block at the start of each summer will do the spreading, will get this done again near summer, replenish the mulch where the trees will go to 5cm deep, spread the rest out besides the rows so widening the area of soil being amended. Amended by soil critters not me! Excellent!

My cider apples are on M111 rootstocks. Vigorous. 4.6m spacing between trees, 5m between rows is exactly right.

My cherry trees are on Colt rootstock. This site gives planting distance as 2.4–3.0m and I will plant them at 2.5m intervals. Before I do I better work out the shadow line from the house: if he cherry trees are in shade for a fair bit of the day they will crop less and grow more. Can always plant them in row 4 not row 5, 2 metres further from the house.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2018, 18:30

Redoing my humungous and increasingly badly organised spreadsheet as at least 2 spreadsheets, probably three.

One will cover the variety of trees including blossoming time, harvest time, pollination need (self fertile, needs cross-pollination (most apples and cherries) type (bittersweet, bittersharp, tart or sweet.) At one stage I was contemplating buying a tart French cider apple—buy a French tart :roll :bgrin . I will add to this complete descriptions of the trees: appearance, growth habit, disease susceptibility/resistance, appearance of the fruit etc.

The other the locations of trees, the rows and the individual trees. From this can calculate how much loam/compost/mulch etc I need to buy, distances hoses have to run to each row, distances of hoses along each row.

So putting my holiday to good use.

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by Aussie » 11 Jun 2018, 13:18

Gladys wrote:Thanks from Montamarta.


Oooooooo....a visitor from Holland no less!

:roll

Hi Agnes. Did you use a Dutch IP when you registered as 'Party Time?'

Re: Well, THAT was a shock to the system

Post by HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2018, 13:13

Have drafted what I can of the plan. Pen has dried out so tomorrow will visit OfficeWorks. Need some more colored pencils and an eraser as well.

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