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Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 23 Mar 2019, 15:54

Since Mum won’t travel to Tasmania I decided to buy a GoPro camera so I could take video of the journey there, of the work on the block and of walks around the town etc.

Good fun.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 18 Mar 2019, 17:04

I will have a greenhouse to get tomatoes germinated, that obviously will won’t be until I am living there.

Vege patch in the front garden, done no-till, flowering border between house and “orchard.” There will be a hedge of grevillias in front of the fruit trees.

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 18 Mar 2019, 16:56

and still no tomatoes?

thats why you Dutch will never amount to anything :clap

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 18 Mar 2019, 08:50

OK, everything is coming together.

Have someone to rotary hoe the five rows and to drill holes and insert posts: The perry pears will be grown espaliered, branches trained horizontally along wires. A wooden post every four metres with a long star dropper in between the posts. The pears are dwarf trees and so need support all their life.

Two rows of 4 cider apple trees—semi dwarf, only need support for 2-3 years.

Heh, read something: the early flowerers (and leafers) should be on the southern end of a row—they will get the sun they need through the bare branches of the later flowerers. The way I had them the early flowerers would have blocked the sun from the later ones.

Row 3 will have 8 cherry trees in two groups of 4: root competition keeps the trees small, still get a good harvest. Early Burlat, starts ripening December so cherries for Christmass—and to sell to the tourists. Napoleon, lighter colored cherries, not as sweet as the dark skinned ones, Stella to pollinate and Kentish Sour to make jam etc with. Then eating/cooking/cider apples also in groups of 4. Two Brown Snouts will give me some Brown Snout bittersweets—Brown Snout is a nice enough cider apple and a regular heavy producer. Two Sweet Coppin, makes a nice sweet cider or use it to blend a too-bitter or too-sharp cider. Sturmin Pippin—great cooking and great cider apples, two Cox Orange Pippin, incredible eating apples and any surplus/marked COPs can go to cider etc. Four stone fruits, peaches plums, a small tree will provide enough fruit. One tree for eating, ripens in Jan, another ripens in Feb, good for preserving. Same, an eating plum and a preserving plum.

Can make apple butter! Yum!

Any fruit not wanted for cider or perry or preserving—I will have a press, press the fruit, make country wine or a melomel.

I will want citrus: lemon tree, maybe a lime, a couple blood orange trees for marmalade but these need sheltered positions—so after my house is built.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 14 Mar 2019, 23:48

rain, we got rain tonight

Re: Gardening

Post by Agness » 14 Mar 2019, 09:29

The fig was one of my mother's favourite fruit I just think they are very sweet - I tend like a slight tartness about most fruit- my dad was a very prolific gardener and as we lived on acreage as kids his gardens were pretty big vegie gardens watered by a system of irrigation- they were funny days rounding up the cow to milk and after all that effort to catch the cow- she would kick the bucket of milk flying if she got her leg loose- wasted lot of milk at first but you would not believe the cream she gave- it was thick rich and premium- no pasteurisation and yet none of us became sick- she was very contrary and dad would have to round her up with the jeep- :rofl :rofl :rofl

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Mar 2019, 07:54

If I can find space I might buy a Smyrna quince tree, plant it with Beurre Bosc, Williams and another pear.

Make quince paste to eat with some nice Tassie cheese.

No figs tho, soil is WAY too alkaline to plant in the garden. but could plant two figs in a big, wide container, keep the size of the trees under control. That will be once the house is built and cleaners rubbish removed etc. I suppose I could give them a start by planting into 20L buckets, burying them with the rim 2-3cm above the soil and the buckets filled with good, slightly acid soil. Need to give them plenty of sun, providing a warm enough spot will be the biggest challenge. Too big to put in my conservatory? Make a polytunnel?

Re: Gardening

Post by Agness » 14 Mar 2019, 01:01

So much love in a garden will be coming back to finish my stroll soon and I don't think raw quince is that bad- a bit dry but that's it !

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 18 Feb 2019, 10:47

Last month I paid my outrageous council rates. I asked them how come I pay half of what Mum pays on her 20x more valuable property. No answer was the stern reply. I thought “fuck that, will send a follow up and I did, CCing all councillors.

Got a reply from a councillor. She wasn’t happy with the rate increase but:

I did not support the rating increase myself but have to accept the decision of the council.
The people in the village areas got an increase of $57 which to me as an individual was very excessive.

That would be $57 per quarter.

So today I had to pay TasWater. $185/qrtr when Mum pays less than twice that:
Or do you and the Tasmanian government WANT to keep Tasmania as a joke of a state with the main cities of Slowbart and Inceston? That is what rip off rates and discouraging people to hold onto building blocks is doing!

I even have to pay fucking land tax on my $30,000 block of land! Other states don’t charge that unless the value is like $500,000!

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Feb 2019, 19:41

Hmmm fukkit!

Can’t find a source of semidwarf pears in Tasmania :sad

Well, can plant a lot more dwarf trees, 2m apart, espalier them. Dwarf trees, unlike semi dwarf, need to be supported their whole short life, espalier is one way of doing that. Semi dwarf is more vigorous, more disease resistant etc etc but what the fuck can you do when no semidwarf stock is available?

I am SURE I saw “medium” perry pear trees somewhere in a Tassy website. Hmmm try searching on that!

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 11 Feb 2019, 14:36

Visited an op shop, bought a book on wisteria, one on tea roses one on old fashioned roses and a few more.

Took them to the counter.volunteer started adding up the prices, got tired and asked “$10 OK?” OK by me! Before putting them in the car I added up the prices, $18. $8 saving is nice, pays for a bottle of Coopers!

Re: Gardening

Post by hatty » 11 Feb 2019, 08:55

more sentimental shit from hatty.

gardening at night

apologies if it adds little to the thread.....couldn't help myself

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 10 Feb 2019, 18:19

Oh boy.

Been thinking, again, dangerous I know. Going to trim the number of cider apple trees to 8: 2 bitter sharp, 4 bittersweet, 2 tarts. That gives me 4 spare spaces, plant them with semi dwarf perry pears! Row 5 will have 3 more semi dwarf perry pears. One perry pear is Beurre bosc—it is an eating/cooking apple but gives a nice pear-fruity flavor to a perry so is included in the list of perry pears. Needs to be pollinated by Williams pear. So, instead of planting a bb in one hole and a Williams in another I will plant two bb and a W in the one hole. Will keep the trees small through root competition. One of the perry pears also needs a culinary pear for pollination, 2 of the perry pear + the pollinator in the one hole.

I might do the planting in the same hole with other cider and perry trees.

Row 4 is superfluous in this new plan, bar planting currants etc which like shade. Row 5 is 5 metres from Row 3, keeping the 5m spacing.


Why didn’t I do this originally? Hadn’t thought of perry to be honest. Then was going to buy dwarf perry pears which were all that were on offer as far as I knew.

I think I was choosing cider apples just to fill up the spots. Sweet Coppin and Brown Snout—pffft, do away with them. Any culinary apple will dilute a too–sharp or too-bitter cider and if I have Yarlington Mill I don’t need no Brown Snout second rate bittersweet. That reduces the number of cider trees to 10. Do I need two Dabinette bittersweets? With 4 Yarlington Mill bittersweets? Doubt it! (or keep one and have one tart + granny smith somewhere else.)

So: Two Breakwell’s Seedling bittersharp, four Yarlington Mill bittersweets and two tarts, two King David or maybe one King David and a French tart, ehehehe.

So, next to the cider apples: one each Gin, Yellow Huffcap, Green Horse and Moorcroft, in Row 5 Beurre bosc x 2 + Williams then two other perry pears/perry pear combinations. Nice mix cider apples, nice mix cider/perry.

Might investigate more 2 trees in one hole possibilities—helps pollination, helps keep the trees small without me needing to prune to control size and allows more trees in the same area.

Yarlington Mill is rather biannual, huge crop one year slim pickings the next.

Re: Gardening

Post by pinkeye » 06 Feb 2019, 03:21

HBS Guy wrote:What does that mean?

If we don't have dreams
we just exist
paying the bills
the sky is grey

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 05 Feb 2019, 21:56

HBS Guy wrote:Sold all the trees I don’t want to an orchard cum cidery! Off set the cost of the new trees a bit.

just do what we wogs do .. plant tomatoes. Forget the trees. :yahoo :yahoo

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 05 Feb 2019, 21:54

Sold all the trees I don’t want to an orchard cum cidery! Off set the cost of the new trees a bit.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 18:17

Just ordered 20 bales peastraw and 10 bags sheep shit. Should protect the surface of the horrible clay and get some organic matter into it! And sheepshit is nice and low in nitrogen—want to keep the trees small so no bags of chicken or cow shit.

Know where I can get nice acid abalone mushroom compost, keep trying to lower the pH of that rather alkaline clay.

Be nice to get some worm castings, wonder if any one is selling that on Gum Tree?

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 14:17

I wrote it up. Going to grow my trees biodynamically. I will be 1000Km away in Adelaide so detailed instructions is has to be.

Any comments, anything not clear, any boneheaded blunders in the instructions?

I think I will get 10 clean jars and put 100ml of neem into each jar, seal—and he can heat one jar for a 5L batch of spray. Don’t see why I can’t do the same with the hydrolysate: 2 small jars, less water to heat, quicker to make up the spray.

Have to write up planting instructions, planting plan (what tree goes where) plus pruning instructions etc.

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 02 Feb 2019, 14:07

HBS Guy wrote:Been working on a set of instructions for the guy that will plant a lot of my trees and look after all the trees on my block.

Have a look, anything not clear so far?

did you write that up?

friggen hell, I just tell the gardener to spray those ones, pull those out and plant' these. That's about as detailed as I get :b :b :b

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 02 Feb 2019, 04:33

What does that mean?

Re: Gardening

Post by pinkeye » 02 Feb 2019, 01:05

dream on

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 01 Feb 2019, 20:22

Been working on a set of instructions for the guy that will plant a lot of my trees and look after all the trees on my block.

Have a look, anything not clear so far?

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 29 Jan 2019, 08:26

I have been watering my little lime tree, crepe myrtle and the correa shrub which seems susceptible to heat and drought. Fill the birdbath and an icecream container I put by the footpath for any passing dog or cat. Hope I managed to save the lemon verbena.

Must buy a hose today, will take it with me to Tassie in April—fishpond needs a fair bit of water added, do this in small stages as don’t want to change the temperature of the pond too much too quickly, will kill the fish!

Replacing nine trees will cost under $270. I mourn the loss of time much more than I do the bit of money. Still, see how it goes. I will take delivery of the trees someone has been looking after for me while in Tassie and make a final decision.

But can do without the sweet cider—any eating apple can supply a neutral cider to dilute a too-tart or too-bitter cider! So another Breakwell’s Seedling or two, replace the Brown Snout bittersweet. There is another bittersharp apple but it needs high chill, my bit of paradise is too close to the sea to supply the very high chill needed for that variety. Will look at other nurseries and see if they have other cider apple varieties.

Re: Gardening

Post by pinkeye » 29 Jan 2019, 00:40

Lots of plants are dying here. No rain worth a note for much too long.

The monsoon trough is said to be moving south, but i'll only believe it when I see it.

The grass in burning up from the heat and dying. I'm concerned for my ancient remnant gums. This is a spot that often misses out on localised rain.. but none at all ..combined with the consistently higher than average daily temps is stressing them, and me, bigtime.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 28 Jan 2019, 23:13

Could buy one tree of this:

Ripens: March
A French cider variety. Medium sized deep yellowy green fruit, with a faint collar of russet. Tart (aigre).

A French tart! :rofl

More likely:
Breakwell's Seedling
Ripens: February
A bright red apple with a stripe, small to medium fruit. Heavy cropper. Bitter-sharp. Propagated by George Breakwell in Monmouth, Wales.

Like this one too, put in place the Brown Snout:
Huonville Crab Semi-dwarfing
Ripens: April - May
This quite a remarkable apple, with scarlet red flesh, covered by a scarlet red skin that shines up when pollished. Small, palm-sized fruit, and a sweetnes offset by a faint crab-apple tartness. The leaves are purple-green and the sap is red too. Quite amazing! The tree is quite vigorous and bears heavily.We discovered this tree as a seedling - a huge old...

(seedling means the tree was growing on its own roots, not grafted to another rootstock, a chance seedling. Apples and grapes have seeds with genetics that)

The above trees mean I can keep the trees so they ripen on the northern side first in February/March then April and the last trees in the 3 rows ripen April-May. Any other tree will be replaced by a another tree of same variety.

I could also plant Granny Smith, tart enough and useful in cooking etc. Or Court Pendu Plat also multi-purpose cider/cooking/eating.