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Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 20:01

Perry is the cider you make from pears. It is supposed to be a better drink than cider.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 19:54

I had a thought while in the Butterfly Forest after work today for you.

It'll cost you near to $1000 to spend some time getting sore muscles in your garden.
That $1000 buys a lot of tree planting by a local . Don't go cheap on that guy for the tree planting.
Make it a great profit time for him that he can put a lot of pride in.

Invite him to share in your completed product in 3 years time.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 19:39

HBS Guy wrote:Gin:
(Can taste juniper berry, so it must be called Gin.)

Good disease resistance, good keeping quality (need to store pears to get good quantity to mill and press.)
Makes a fragrant perry (can see mixing this with some beurre bosc for nice pear flavor with the fragrance of the gin)

A high quality vintage pear being planted by artisan perry makers (of whom I hope to be one no matter how small scale and amateur!)


Green Horse:
Originally a culinary pear like some perry pears are (some perry pears are so unpalatable that not even pigs will eat them!)
Medium Sharp (as are all perry pears in Australia)


Moorcroft:
Use as a perry pear from start
Bittersharp (Astringent sharp) This makes it a bit unique among perry pears in Oz.
Problem with this pear: rots from the inside out fairly soon after picking. Thinks: one or two trees enough of this one, great mixer, too hard as a main perry pear. Pick and freeze until all harvested, I think.

Sounds like a mixer not a straight perry.


Yellow Huffcap:
Medium sharp. Medium acid, low tannin makes for an excellent perry.


So now you know!

Seth might be able to grow some nice perry pears in Oregon if he was so inclined. He would have access to a bigger range of perry pears than we do here. Makes a finer drink than cider or so I am told.



yes, 1 moorcroft might do.

what are perry pears ?

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 19:36

HBS Guy wrote:Bought some fresh cartridge paper, will draw my planting plan as it is so far and add to it future plantings—will add identification of each site.

Now some GOOD news! I can get Green Horse perry pears! Yippy! So perry pear line up is:

Gin
Moorcroft
Yellow Huffcap
Green Horse

And Beurre Bosc perry/cooking/eating pear
[Williams Pear—to pollinate Beurre Bosc]

More scope, more flavors. MUCH more reading/thinking to do. At my age it is use it or lose it!


I am feeling you

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 18:18

Gin:
(Can taste juniper berry, so it must be called Gin.)

Good disease resistance, good keeping quality (need to store pears to get good quantity to mill and press.)
Makes a fragrant perry (can see mixing this with some beurre bosc for nice pear flavor with the fragrance of the gin)

A high quality vintage pear being planted by artisan perry makers (of whom I hope to be one no matter how small scale and amateur!)


Green Horse:
Originally a culinary pear like some perry pears are (some perry pears are so unpalatable that not even pigs will eat them!)
Medium Sharp (as are all perry pears in Australia)


Moorcroft:
Use as a perry pear from start
Bittersharp (Astringent sharp) This makes it a bit unique among perry pears in Oz.
Problem with this pear: rots from the inside out fairly soon after picking. Thinks: one or two trees enough of this one, great mixer, too hard as a main perry pear. Pick and freeze until all harvested, I think.

Sounds like a mixer not a straight perry.


Yellow Huffcap:
Medium sharp. Medium acid, low tannin makes for an excellent perry.


So now you know!

Seth might be able to grow some nice perry pears in Oregon if he was so inclined. He would have access to a bigger range of perry pears than we do here. Makes a finer drink than cider or so I am told.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 17:15

Bought some fresh cartridge paper, will draw my planting plan as it is so far and add to it future plantings—will add identification of each site.

Now some GOOD news! I can get Green Horse perry pears! Yippy! So perry pear line up is:

Gin
Moorcroft
Yellow Huffcap
Green Horse

And Beurre Bosc perry/cooking/eating pear
[Williams Pear—to pollinate Beurre Bosc]

More scope, more flavors. MUCH more reading/thinking to do. At my age it is use it or lose it!

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 16:23

HBS Guy wrote:He has/will spread the pine chips for me, the remaining 8 cubic metres should be delivered and spread Monday. Can get him to do some spraying: give him a key to the garden shed, have the mix detailed (blow up to A3 size, have it laminated, leave in the shed.) Won’t have the compost tea but the neem oil, insecticidal soap (pure liquid soap (not detergent etc)) and fish hydrolase and liquid kelp will be there. Will have a tin of grease, grease the weedmat I will wrap around the trunks to deter rabbits and hopefully possums.

Will water around the planting hole with the compost tea, fish hydrolase and kelp after planting, plain water to water the actual tree—encourage the roots to venture out the planting hole.


Sounds good, give him a plan of what you want planted where.
A numbered list of things to do in order of importance.

Accept it won't be done exactly how you want ........ but, things WILL get done.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 12:59

He has/will spread the pine chips for me, the remaining 8 cubic metres should be delivered and spread Monday. Can get him to do some spraying: give him a key to the garden shed, have the mix detailed (blow up to A3 size, have it laminated, leave in the shed.) Won’t have the compost tea but the neem oil, insecticidal soap (pure liquid soap (not detergent etc)) and fish hydrolase and liquid kelp will be there. Will have a tin of grease, grease the weedmat I will wrap around the trunks to deter rabbits and hopefully possums.

Will water around the planting hole with the compost tea, fish hydrolase and kelp after planting, plain water to water the actual tree—encourage the roots to venture out the planting hole.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 10:23

Wow - the 'slasher guy' or a local gardener sounds cheap .........

And he has not even quoted.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 09:23

Yeah. $500 to put me and my car on the ferry, two tanks of petrol each way to and from Melbourne, $85/night B&B accommodation etc. Plus cost of whatever I need to buy for the garden, food for me and dog etc. Arranging someone to look after Mum—and that has occasioned huge emotional drama for which I will find it hard to forgive my sister.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 08:29

HBS Guy wrote:Yup, been a journey. The cider apples have been fixed for a while apart from swapping the position of the Improved Foxwhelp and Sweet Coppin to keep the very bittersharp Foxwhelp separate from the bittersharp Breakwell’s Seedling apples.

Reading just how bloody BIG trees on semi dwarfing rootstock can grow threw a spanner in the works! But bending and summer pruning should keep things under control. VERY bad info re tree size on the nursery website!

Thinking of adding another bittersharp or two. No hurry for anymore trees. Will be flat out planting 16 trees in April. Might fly in December next year, keep an eye on the trees, do some summer pruning and do some foliar and soil spraying, check irrigation system etc. Maybe another long visit in April 2020 when can prepare some more planting sites and order trees to plant April 2021. By then I might be living in Tasmania even if not yet in my house. In fact, could pay someone, the guy that slashes my block say, to plant trees for me. He will probably stuff up a bit here and there but this long distance gardening is the pits!


' ........ could pay someone, the guy that slashes my block say, to plant trees for me ....... '

HHmmm, that idea certainly merits some consideration.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Nov 2018, 08:26

Yup, been a journey. The cider apples have been fixed for a while apart from swapping the position of the Improved Foxwhelp and Sweet Coppin to keep the very bittersharp Foxwhelp separate from the bittersharp Breakwell’s Seedling apples.

Reading just how bloody BIG trees on semi dwarfing rootstock can grow threw a spanner in the works! But bending and summer pruning should keep things under control. VERY bad info re tree size on the nursery website!

Thinking of adding another bittersharp or two. No hurry for anymore trees. Will be flat out planting 16 trees in April. Might fly in December next year, keep an eye on the trees, do some summer pruning and do some foliar and soil spraying, check irrigation system etc. Maybe another long visit in April 2020 when can prepare some more planting sites and order trees to plant April 2021. By then I might be living in Tasmania even if not yet in my house. In fact, could pay someone, the guy that slashes my block say, to plant trees for me. He will probably stuff up a bit here and there but this long distance gardening is the pits!

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Nov 2018, 03:59

HBS Guy wrote:Yeah. Was playing around, as you may have read, with two triangles of cherry trees and I did work the geometry out and all that. Decided too much fuss and a simple line fits better than something more fiddly with the pattern of rows and deep ripping done to my block. Easier to net and spray etc as well and will make a great sight when in bloom!

Been thinking about eating apples as well, will get some semi dwarf ones to plant in between the cider apples and a crab apple or two, for fruit (pectin jelly) for cider (tart apples etc) and for cooking (some are good for all three.) Especially a couple late–blossoming apples, help pollinate the late-blooming Brown Snout cider apple etc.

Still got two cider apple trees I no longer want. Use them to try grafting! Another skill to learn! But worry about that a bit later!


good work to try ALL possibilities on paper before touching a spade.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 15 Nov 2018, 21:32

Yeah. Was playing around, as you may have read, with two triangles of cherry trees and I did work the geometry out and all that. Decided too much fuss and a simple line fits better than something more fiddly with the pattern of rows and deep ripping done to my block. Easier to net and spray etc as well and will make a great sight when in bloom!

Been thinking about eating apples as well, will get some semi dwarf ones to plant in between the cider apples and a crab apple or two, for fruit (pectin jelly) for cider (tart apples etc) and for cooking (some are good for all three.) Especially a couple late–blossoming apples, help pollinate the late-blooming Brown Snout cider apple etc.

Still got two cider apple trees I no longer want. Use them to try grafting! Another skill to learn! But worry about that a bit later!

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 15 Nov 2018, 19:58

HBS Guy wrote:OK, after lot of agonising and sketching etc have gone for the simple.

My six cherry trees will go into row 5 planted 765mm apart (30" for those still using those quaint units :bgrin ) Root competition will help keep the trees small. Row 4 and the rest of row 5 will get perry pears.



A 'lot of agonising and sketching' is vital.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 15 Nov 2018, 19:05

OK, after lot of agonising and sketching etc have gone for the simple.

My six cherry trees will go into row 5 planted 765mm apart (30" for those still using those quaint units :bgrin ) Root competition will help keep the trees small. Row 4 and the rest of row 5 will get perry pears.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 15 Nov 2018, 16:58

Been reading “Perry Pears” of which the tree nursery I use stocks three (Gin, Moorcroft and Yellow Huffcap) but there are two more varieties in Australia but, dammit, not in Tasmania: Green Horse (aka Horse Pear(!) White Horse, White Longland. . .) and Red Longdon.

Pears have a non-fermentable sugar called sorbitol (weird, sugar names end in -ose, sucrose, glucose etc. -ol is the ending for an alcohol but it is perry pears we are talking about so, just accept it. So perries a trifle sweeter and more full bodied than ciders.

One other thing about sorbitol: it is a mild laxative. Some perry pears are called {something} Lightning, in and out like lightning. Others must have a lot of sugar that turns into alcohol: Merrylegs and Muddlehead :rofl

Re: Gardening

Post by MonkSIPPING » 08 Nov 2018, 13:17

At night, piss on the plants.

Failing that, spray Charlie Carp (quick nitrogen) and Seasol seaweed extract (plant tonic) late afternoon.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 08 Nov 2018, 08:56

johnsmith wrote:damn ... the sun is killing my new plants. :mad


Drat, yes, the sun here in QLD can kill plants in 1 day.

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 06 Nov 2018, 14:57

damn ... the sun is killing my new plants. :mad

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 06 Nov 2018, 11:35

Ordered a booklet on Gardening in Clay Soil.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 05 Nov 2018, 16:02

I am sure some of my trees will cark it, just trying to load the odds in my favor.

Some things, like spreading pine chips, are wrong but I am doing it anyway for dropping the pH of my soil. Once the trees are planted I will have hardwood chips spread. Do that twice a year, spread some iron sulphate and a bit pot. sulphate and some fine (colloidal) sulphur to counteract the alkalinity of the hardwood chips. Will try and get the hardwood chips cheap—any electricity workers trimming trees under power lines, carton of beer for a truckload of chips sounds good to me!

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 05 Nov 2018, 13:00

Your gardening will go MUCH better than our forest.

A failure rate is normal on our gardens.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 05 Nov 2018, 06:53

My garden in Tassie has difficult soil and I never grew cherry trees before, etc, so been reading.

If you want to protect the trees in your butterfly forest there is a spray you make up with unpasteurised neem oil, fish hydrolysate and compost tea. Adding some mycorrhizal fungi culture would be good too.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 04 Nov 2018, 23:41

HBS Guy wrote:I was a bit worried that I had added too much gypsum to my soil: guy that rotary hoed all the backpart spread 30 bags of gypsum, then I added another bag of gypsum where the cider trees will go. Need not have worried! Will be applying gypsum for a while yet! Any excess magnesium will be bound to some of the gypsum and gradually flushed from the soil.

To acidify my soil a bit I will add iron sulphate. Not only will this acidify the soil some but makes lots of iron available. Iron and boron are less accessible in alkaline soils. So some boron will be added to the planting holes somehow. I have calculated how much iron sulphate to add, converting those quirky units the yanks still use, pounds and square feet, so quaint :bgrin :bgrin :bgrin

One of the most superb eating apples is the Cox Orange Pippin. My nursery only supplies this on dwarfing rootstock: no way, my soil (for want of a better word) really needs the M111 semi dwarfing rootstock. Sent the nursery an email—can you do me a Cox on M111 rootstock? Have seen another nursery lists the Cox and that would be semi dwarfing rootstock. If I have time next April I will go visit them.

Have made a list—preliminary of course, will likely change—of some semidwarf desert apples to get:

Bramley’s Seedling—premier UK cooking apple

Court Pendu Plat—brought to Europe by the Romans 1500 years ago, how could I not get it? Besides, late apple so stores well and help pollinate late blossoming cider apple trees

Granny Smith—eating, cooking, add some acidity to a cider that needs it. Pick in June.

Huonville crab apple—a chance seedling. Palm sized red skinned, red fleshed and red juiced crabs, good to eat, cook or use in cider

McIntosh—eating apple. Thank god the designer or signwriter got the name wrong and so my computer is a Macintosh not a McIntosh. Canadian.

Sturmer—all rounder.

Will want another crab apple or two:

John Downie—https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/crab-apples/98-john-downie.html great for apple pectin jelly.
Could plant a decorative (never or rarely fruits) crab somewhere, look nice and still helps pollinate all my apple trees.



you know a lot more about gardening than I do

Good luck with it all

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