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Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Jul 2018, 16:03

Got any photos of that forest?

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Jul 2018, 15:59

HBS Guy wrote:As long as you plant and interplant you will have a healthier garden.

How is that butterfly attracting forest of yours going, Sprint? Love to see some photos!

In the Sand Pit, “Well that was a shock to the system” thread are some photos of my Tassie block and preparations I have done. Next April there will be 16 fruit trees planted.


Yes, I space the trees around then plant whatever I feel like under those.

have also tried some 'Sugar cane bale' raised gardens. Seem very good, especially given the effort used.
To do these, buy bales of sugar cane or hay that have been baled together by wire/string. Not encased in plastic.
Lie the bale on the ground so the string is not touching the ground. leave the string as it is.
Plant things straight into the sugar cane.

It gives an instant raised garden.
If it fails, undo the strings and you have more mulch.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Jul 2018, 14:41

As long as you plant and interplant you will have a healthier garden.

How is that butterfly attracting forest of yours going, Sprint? Love to see some photos!

In the Sand Pit, “Well that was a shock to the system” thread are some photos of my Tassie block and preparations I have done. Next April there will be 16 fruit trees planted.

Re: Gardening

Post by Sprintcyclist » 16 Jul 2018, 14:23

HBS Guy wrote:If you want to grow fruit trees then you want to establish “guilds.” A guild is a fruit tree with various understory plants.

Pomegranates—tall shrubs
Currents—red white or black and gooseberries, Tasmanian pepperberry, all understory plants.
Herbs like rosemary and oregano, sage etc and especially fennel
Herbs like yarrow and tansy (grow tansy near your backdoor and flies will not be a problem. Tansy was one of the Medieval strewing herbs, kept fleas at bay.) Yarrow and tansy were two ingredients of gruit, the bitter herbs used before hops became the bittering addition—tansy is an abortifacient, I don’t recommend ingesting it in any way! Good as insect control agent tho!
Long rooted plants like lucerne and comfrey. Dead leaves put nutrients from deep down into the top of the soil.
Flowers, shade lovers like clivia, low mainenance plans like pigface daisy and lavender (prune lightly after flowering finishes. Pick and dry lavender flowers for culinary use or to extract oils.

Interplanting like this is the way to go and not just because you can get more food: the plants attract beneficial insects including pollinators but also predators on plant pests.



So I am just planting seeds wherever I want to.
We keep seed in a dish in the kitchen, will plant them out with compost in a few weeks time and see what arises.

How does that sound ?

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Jul 2018, 04:38

If you want to grow fruit trees then you want to establish “guilds.” A guild is a fruit tree with various understory plants.

Pomegranates—tall shrubs
Currents—red white or black and gooseberries, Tasmanian pepperberry, all understory plants.
Herbs like rosemary and oregano, sage etc and especially fennel
Herbs like yarrow and tansy (grow tansy near your backdoor and flies will not be a problem. Tansy was one of the Medieval strewing herbs, kept fleas at bay.) Yarrow and tansy were two ingredients of gruit, the bitter herbs used before hops became the bittering addition—tansy is an abortifacient, I don’t recommend ingesting it in any way! Good as insect control agent tho!
Long rooted plants like lucerne and comfrey. Dead leaves put nutrients from deep down into the top of the soil.
Flowers, shade lovers like clivia, low mainenance plans like pigface daisy and lavender (prune lightly after flowering finishes. Pick and dry lavender flowers for culinary use or to extract oils.

Interplanting like this is the way to go and not just because you can get more food: the plants attract beneficial insects including pollinators but also predators on plant pests.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 23 Jun 2018, 12:21

Couple great articles on animal manures:

[url]http://australseedlings.com.au/document/NPK-Nutritional-Values-of-Animal-Manures.pdf
[/url]Australian which is nice. However, a more thorough look is needed.

This site gives some more detailed info;
https://modernfarmer.com/2015/05/get-a-load-of-our-manure-guide/

Preparing for the visit last April I rang this mob looking for sheepshit (average nitrogen and phosphorous, nice high potassium) but none to be found. The mob I bought from offered me feedlot cow manure. I refused. I was thinking the unhealthy way of life for cows on a feedlot, eating grain not grass, manure belly deep, antibiotics galore etc. There is another reason: the cows are fed grain, that means their poop is higher in nitrogen (grain has more protein than grass) and nitrogen might be OK for sweet corn and cabbage, not for fruit trees. So I made the right decision maybe for the wrong reason. :roll :bgrin

Reading the Jacky French “Soil Food” book and she does state a truism we need to heed:

No matter how good your soil, if you take stuff out you need to put stuff back in.


We do not recycle our poop for very good reasons so will always need to add something to our soil, some organic matter. Manures are a good way. If you see bags of cow poop outside a farm only buy them, nice and cheap, like $2/bag, if you know it is a dairy farm. Age the manure a month or two, no real need to compost, cows eat grass so the manure is not hot.

Horse poo—full of weed seeds. Composts or make a manure tea to spray onto leaves. For fruit trees sheep poo is good. Pig manure is good but high nitrogen so not for fruit trees. Magnificent manure tho, has N & P & K and likely all sorts trace elements.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 18:16

OK, will try and fit a genoa fig tree in somewhere.

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 14 Jun 2018, 17:48





don't do that to me :mad . My stomach is doing backflips. I love figs. Had three fig trees in the backyard growing up. Two green one black. Black tastes better but either one will do me.

The ones you buy at the shop are flavourless crap.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 16:53

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 15:43

Yeah yeah and a lemon tree ana peach tree . . .just let me buy another hectare. . .

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 14 Jun 2018, 15:05

HBS Guy wrote:Bought two books:

Mycorrhizal Planet


The Apple Grower


Both by Michael Phillips.

Since I can’t do anything in Tassie this year I can edumacate mesel’, eh?

90% of trees will apples and pears, might add a quince if I can find room, a crabapple or two ditto.



put in a fig .... and I mean a real fig tree that produces figs........ not that crappy useless things you aussies call a fig and whose only purpose is to block or break water pipes.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 14:30

Bought two books:

Mycorrhizal Planet


The Apple Grower


Both by Michael Phillips.

Since I can’t do anything in Tassie this year I can edumacate mesel’, eh?

90% of trees will apples and pears, might add a quince if I can find room, a crabapple or two ditto.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 10:33

I would love to be buried under my apple trees, assuming one of my family would inherit and move into my house. Even if they replaced cider apples with desert apples. Or have my ashes scattered around a cherry tree.

Re: Gardening

Post by johnsmith » 14 Jun 2018, 10:29

HBS Guy wrote:Not a sentence you will often read in a gardening book:

“Orchards are a great place to bury bodies.”

Animal bodies I hasten to add, rabbits


some of my relatives in my parents home country are all to well aware of that little fact. :c

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 14 Jun 2018, 10:20

Not a sentence you will often read in a gardening book:

“Orchards are a great place to bury bodies.”

Animal bodies I hasten to add, rabbits

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2018, 18:48

Hah! The author of the other book on soils I got in the post today will likely make you groan.


Jackie French


Book is “Soil food”


OK OK OK it was quite cheap!

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2018, 18:37

My block in Tassie has “difficult” soil. So I looked for books on soil.

Bought this from Book Depository:

A Storey Country Wisdom Bulletin—“Improving your soil” by Stu Campbell.

Cost me $7. It has 31 pages. Gives a great overview of the subject, soil and how to improve it. My trip to Tassie has been delayed so I will take advantage of that to continue amending my “soil.” Ha!

I recommend these little books. They DO pack a lot of info into the slim volumes. Great intro before reading more advanced or more comprehensive treatises. If you can’t hack the Storey books then maybe the subject is not for you.

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jan 2018, 07:24

It is raining in Adelaide and humid with it.

We used to have this weather in the third week of January and apart from the few days in that week the air was dry making the heat bearable.

No more, Queensland weather is what we now get!

Apart from that, some good news.

Have found someone to deep rip under where the cider apple, dwarf apple and cherry trees will go, providing the drainage the trees need. The soil where I will plant the trees will also be ploughed, making it supereasy to work the lime, sand, compost etc into it! This will be done just before I go there to plant the trees. Excellent!

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 19 Nov 2017, 21:53

The bales should last two seasons minimum, then use as mulch.

Re: Gardening

Post by pinkeye » 19 Nov 2017, 21:45

HBS Guy wrote:Buy a few bales peastraw, arrange, fill with soil, plant spuds.

I am sure I will do it one day.:)

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 19 Nov 2017, 20:53

Buy a few bales peastraw, arrange, fill with soil, plant spuds.

Re: Gardening

Post by pinkeye » 19 Nov 2017, 20:39

I admit to loving spuds, and have wanted to grow some. Maybe one day. Was going to build a tower of tyres, filled with dirt, but umm... :roll :roll never got around to it.

Re: Gardening

Post by Francis » 19 Nov 2017, 08:29

I'm concentrated on herbs atm due to no land.

Growing in planter boxes.
Parsley, basil, coriander, rosemary, mint, snap peas as well as lettuce and tomato.
Its going to be interesting to see what thrives and what dies

Re: Gardening

Post by HBS Guy » 18 Nov 2017, 22:25

Have grown both, bit more luck with tomatoes tho.

Plenty of organic matter for the tomatoes, Spray every other week with sulphite, alternating with spraying seaweed extract.

Dig in plenty of cow manure for potatoes.

Re: Gardening

Post by Francis » 18 Nov 2017, 22:18

So anyone successfully grown either potatoes or onions?

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