Shellandshilo1956
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Again, another area of expertisemore denial
Again, another area of expertisemore denial
They are soldiers in a terrorist guerilla army. On 9/11 they killed more Americans than the Japanese did in the Pearl Harbor attack.Seth please. The attack on Pearl Harbor was and act of war. And yes we had every right to defend ourselves. Even going to Japan. No problem there. So tell me Seth, what country was responsible for attacking us on 9/11? What country shall we wage war with? Are you trying to equate our defending ourselves against an entire COUNTRY committing an act of WAR, to a group of individuals committing an act of terrorism? There are no parallels between a war between countries, and a war between a group of individuals and a country. What is the difference between domestic terrorism and Islamic terrorism, legally? Both groups are criminals, and should be treated as criminals. The are NOT soldiers following the orders of a country.
I don't think killing every last one of them is the goal. I think keeping us safe from terrorism is the goal. You ask how many years or generations this war will take. I don't know, Shell. But is it all on us to decide that? What about them? Does the enemy get a vote?Seth be reasonable. Is it our goal to kill every last person who belongs to Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Isis, and all other terrorist groups in the world? How many more years, or generations will this war take? How many more body bag will it take, a half million more? What will it take for us to feel safe again? 19 more years?
You mean in Afghanistan? I have already addressed that. I think we should leave Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. I would expect the taliban to retake Afghanistan after we leave. I do not see that as a defeat. The "win" is in what you said, and what I said earlier. We have proven to them that we are not to be messed with. If the taliban allowed AQ to base itself there again and plan or execute attacks upon us again, what happened to them could happen again, and we have proven that. Hopefully, they would not repeat those mistakes.The rest is the same John Wayne, Chuck Norris, Sgt. York, Team America, might is right, fantasy rhetoric, that I thought you were above parroting. I totally disagree with you. I think after 19 years we have proven that we are not to be messed with. So, why are we still there?
I am acutely aware of the reality of war. I nearly lost a son in those wars.We need to stop this madness. Fighting a war that we can't win. As I've said before, this war will end when people get tired of the mounting body bags. Just like in Viet Nam. The ideology behind a war, is not the same as the reality of war.
No! The are members of a group that share a common ideologyThey are soldiers in a terrorist guerilla army. On 9/11 they killed more Americans than the Japanese did in the Pearl Harbor attack.
Why didn't you mention the entire statement? Instead of taking my comment out of context"? I said, "The ideology behind a war, is not the same as the reality of war.". And, this is NOT about you, or your son.I am acutely aware of the reality of war. I nearly lost a son in those wars.
Just more double talk. You don't think killing every last terrorist is our goal? But, we have been killing over 500,000 civilians, thousands of terrorists and soldiers, for over 19 years. How many Islamic terrorists attacks happening in the US, are making people still feel unsafe? Other than the media keeping their ratings going, how many terrorist mass deaths are occurring daily, monthly, or yearly in the US? The lives of the people in harms way, deserve more than "I don't know". I DO know! If we want to feel safe, then get out of the Middle East, and take care of our own business. The longer we are there, the more of our troops and people will be at risk. It is a war that no one can win, and everybody will lose. It is a war where no measure of security can be guaranteed, no matter how long this war is fought. It is a war where WE are the aggressors, and people from all over the world, are joining the ranks of ISIS and Al Qaeda to support their cause. They will continue to become stronger, because we do not belong there.I don't think killing every last one of them is the goal. I think keeping us safe from terrorism is the goal. You ask how many years or generations this war will take. I don't know, Shell. But is it all on us to decide that? What about them? Does the enemy get a vote?
Like a ladies Wednesday night Bible study group! Got it!No! The are members of a group that share a common ideology
No, but my attitudes about war are colored by my personal experiences.Why didn't you mention the entire statement? Instead of taking my comment out of context"? I said, "The ideology behind a war, is not the same as the reality of war.". And, this is NOT about you, or your son.
Al Qaeda is an armed paramilitary terrorist organization with a distinct chain of command and command structure. True, it is not an official government organization, but it was supported by governments unofficially. And I think that if you were to tell an Al Qaeda member that they were NOT soldiers, they would not agree with you.Members of a terrorist group are NOT soldiers representing or working for any government. There is none of the traditional governmental infrastructure supporting a military organization. They are a criminal group of people sharing a common ideology.
In our discussions you sometimes point out that I don't answer your questions. I try in most cases. So my question to you is whether AQ gets a vote on the question of war or peace.Just more double talk. You don't think killing every last terrorist is our goal? But, we have been killing over 500,000 civilians, thousands of terrorists and soldiers, for over 19 years. How many Islamic terrorists attacks happening in the US, are making people still feel unsafe? Other than the media keeping their ratings going, how many terrorist mass deaths are occurring daily, monthly, or yearly in the US? The lives of the people in harms way, deserve more than "I don't know". I DO know! If we want to feel safe, then get out of the Middle East, and take care of our own business. The longer we are there, the more of our troops and people will be at risk. It is a war that no one can win, and everybody will lose. It is a war where no measure of security can be guaranteed, no matter how long this war is fought. It is a war where WE are the aggressors, and people from all over the world, are joining the ranks of ISIS and Al Qaeda to support their cause. They will continue to become stronger, because we do not belong there.
Reasonable people don't always agree on things. That's just the way it is.As I have said before, you are a good company man. And, I believe that you will continue to spin, any facts, any truths, in any way, to best-fit the most positive narrative for the government and corporate America. After 19 years of 500,000 civilian deaths, billions in damages, a stronger ISIS and Al Qaeda, and you still have no idea how many more years it will take? So, just how will we even know when we will be safe from terrorists?
We have some fundamental differences about national defense. Where we agree is on unnecessary regime change wars that are none of our business. Where we disagree I think is on the question of our response to an attack. I prefer a "hit 'em back, knock 'em down, and keep 'em down" kind of response. I don't think you share that in common with me, and that's the sticking point between our outlooks on this.What is sad, is that you don't see anything wrong with this line of reasoning. So lets let the body bags continue to grow indefinitely, until we can feel safe again, right? Unfortunately, it will take the harsh reality of body-bags and serious injuries, before some people begin to see the almost childish nature of our actions and our rationale.
This is true. I believe in what is right. And, you believe that might is always right.We have some fundamental differences about national defense. Where we agree is on unnecessary regime change wars that are none of our business. Where we disagree I think is on the question of our response to an attack. I prefer a "hit 'em back, knock 'em down, and keep 'em down" kind of response. I don't think you share that in common with me, and that's the sticking point between our outlooks on this.
No, I don't believe that any criminal group of fanatics, who conduct terrorism to advance their religious or domestic causes, should have any say in peace or war. This would mean that crime becomes a legal bargaining tool. We should use whatever means available to protect and defend OUR COUNTRY!!In our discussions you sometimes point out that I don't answer your questions. I try in most cases. So my question to you is whether AQ gets a vote on the question of war or peace.
My point of view is that if AQ wants to end its armed struggle against the U.S. and our allies and friendly nations, I would be willing to end our war against AQ. I say they get a vote.
What country do these soldiers belong to, control by, or work for? But, to avoid arguing semantics, I agree that ISIS and Al Qaeda are para-military groups.Al Qaeda is an armed paramilitary terrorist organization with a distinct chain of command and command structure. True, it is not an official government organization, but it was supported by governments unofficially. And I think that if you were to tell an Al Qaeda member that they were NOT soldiers, they would not agree with you.
I laughed at that.This is true. I believe in what is right. And, you believe that might is always right.
Now you're sounding like me, lol.No, I don't believe that any criminal group of fanatics, who conduct terrorism to advance their religious or domestic causes, should have any say in peace or war. This would mean that crime becomes a legal bargaining tool. We should use whatever means available to protect and defend OUR COUNTRY!!
Well, whadya know? We agree on something again!What country do these soldiers belong to, control by, or work for? But, to avoid arguing semantics, I agree that ISIS and Al Qaeda are para-military groups.
Seth, we share a lot in common. We have both been in the same business. We had the same military experience, including the same MOS. And. I agree, that I have certainly committed many wrongful but necessary acts. But, I've never once tried to hide the fact that my acts were wrongful. Nor, have I ever defended my wrongful acts, with spin or platitudes. I take full responsibility for my own wrongful acts, and would never ask anyone to commit MY wrongful acts. Hence why the young always fight old men's wars. But 19 years, 500,000 civilian deaths, and a complete disregard for national sovereignty?? So, if your point is, that committing wrongful acts are sometimes necessary, then I also agree. But not for 19years, or indefinitely.Sadly, when all peaceful means fail, you have to slug the bully on the soccer field. Because of the profession I was in, I couldn't even begin to tell you of all the times that I saw justifiable force used to stop wrongful force. I just see that as being realistic. Not nice, just realistic.
I understood what you meant. And, I still think AQ should play no role in any resolutions to end its criminality against the US. Period! What they do on foreign soil is none of our business. The country, or NATO should deal with that problem.When I said AQ gets a vote, it was just a figure of speech. What that means is that if we are to end our war with AQ, AQ must also end its war with us and our friends. "They get a vote" is a figure of speech.
As I've said before, this is how it will start. First America wants a war with Iran because Iran wants to Nationalize its oil(like Libya and Venezuela), and NOT trade its oil using US dollars. After a number of unverified and objectively unsupported claims, and with Israel's permission and complicity, the US blatantly assassinated a prominent member of the Iranian military, and then claim self-defense from an imminent/immediate attack. Iran responded with warning Americans about when and where its attacks will come from. Including making special effort NOT to harm anyone.There are reports on the internet that the Israeli Mossad commander Fahmi Hinawi has been assassinated in Israel.
None of these reports cite government sources, and none of them are mainstream news sites.
D-Day Hero Sgt Major Robert Blatnik Dead at 100
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An Army veteran from Texas who landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day with 900 men under his command has died at the age of 100.
Sgt. Maj. Robert Blatnik died Saturday, according to CBS 11 Dallas.
Blatnik was 93 when he returned in 2013 to Omaha Beach stopping at the exact spot where he landed on June 6, 1944, the station reported.
“Oh dear Father thank you for having saved my life,” he said as he got down on his hands and knees on the hallowed ground.
He offered more prayers for those who lost their lives that day, including more than 500 of his men.
"On the beach, the artillery and smoke were everywhere," Blatnik said in 2009 in a write-up on the U.S. Army website. "It was chaos all around us. I didn't even see any small arms fire from the Germans, just bodies and bombs going off everywhere."
Blatnik, who served under Gen. George S. Patton, in the 1st Infantry Division, nicknamed "Big Red One," said his experience helped keep him alive.
"I knew that the main thing to do was to get off the beach,” he said. “Some of the men wanted to dig in. When you're on a beach the main thing to do is confront the enemy. You can't dig in during something like that; you've go to get the hell off the beach. If you try to dig in you're lost, so I tried to keep my men moving forward."
- Fox News
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Rest in Peace, Sgt Major Blatnik.
yeah what are you guys thinking, they don't even have any oil... only lots of HeroinAmerican taxpayers foot the bill for continued fraud, misspending and flagrant waste in Afghanistan
It's time to get out and just let the Taliban have it. You cannot make a sculpture out of sand.
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American taxpayers foot the bill for continued fraud, misspending and flagrant waste in Afghanistan
How much have American taxpayers thrown into corruption, failed projects and flagrant misspending? On average, each U.S. taxpayer has forked out $3,000 for the Afghan war effort, with a total price tag exceeding $1 trillion.www.foxbusiness.com