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SethBullock

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I saw this video and found it sort of eerie and thought provoking.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGFTIqNRzo[/youtube]

The quiet pastoral countryside, a farmhouse, an old man who was 10 years old during the war, and old WW2 bunkers.
 

SethBullock

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Islamist extremists don't tolerate other islamic extremists too well. The same things have happened in Afghanistan and Syria. Shabaab is aligned with Al Qaeda.

Shabaab kills pro-Islamic State commander
By Caleb Weiss | January 14th, 2019 | weiss.caleb2@gmail.com | @Weissenberg7

According to Somali website Garowe Online, Shabaab militants recently gunned down a pro-Islamic State commander in the southern Somali town of Bu’ale. Shabaab has not confirmed this event, but it rarely publicly comments on assassinations or executions of this nature.

Garowe states that “Yahya Haji Fiile, known as Abu Zakariye, was killed in the district after Shabaab intelligence linked him to the Islamic State in Somalia.” The article continues by stating that Fiile, a former top Shabaab commander, initially fell out with the jihadist group in 2016 after it killed Bashir Abu Numan.

Abu Numan was one of the first Shabaab commanders to defect to the Islamic State, but he was killed by Shabaab’s internal security force, the Amniyat, in late 2015. Since then, the Amniyat has hunted down and killed dozens of former Shabaab members and leaders who defected to the Islamic State or who professed pro-Islamic State sympathies.

https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2019/01/shabaab-kills-pro-islamic-state-commander.php
 

jovialmo

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SethBullock said:
I saw this video and found it sort of eerie and thought provoking.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGFTIqNRzo[/youtube]

The quiet pastoral countryside, a farmhouse, an old man who was 10 years old during the war, and old WW2 bunkers.
As a child in Holland we were taken through a bunker located in the sand dunes around Scheveningen near The Hague. This one was rounded, no straight walls on the outside. Same massively thick cement walls and narrow passages plus an embrasure for firing through. Never used for real, of course—Allies landed in Normandy. Would not have liked to go up against it with just a rifle and a couple little grenades.

Massive brooding presence even several years after the war.
 

jovialmo

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For some reason I have read up (on wiki, maybe I need to buy a good book?) on the US Civil War.

Lee really truly stuffed up at Gettysburg—Pickett’s charge, just throwing away good troops. He had been advised to go on the offensive strategically and the defensive tactically: so entrench on the road to Washington that the yank army would have to attack them taking big losses. Same mistake Hitler made at Stalingrad: don’t get into a war of attrition against a numerically superior enemy.

Grant got Lee on the run by using his numbers to extend his lines around Richmond-Petersburg beyond what Lee could respond to, hence the retreat to Appomatox.

Wars are fascinating because they are turning points in history: socially, technologically, politically. Women worked in the munitions factories in the world wars and liked earning their own money and Womens Liberation was born. Then came the Pill.

Interesting factoid: the last battle of the civil war took place in Texas. The Confederates won that battle but not, of course, the war.
 

SethBullock

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HBS Guy said:
For some reason I have read up (on wiki, maybe I need to buy a good book?) on the US Civil War.

Lee really truly stuffed up at Gettysburg—Pickett’s charge, just throwing away good troops. He had been advised to go on the offensive strategically and the defensive tactically: so entrench on the road to Washington that the yank army would have to attack them taking big losses. Same mistake Hitler made at Stalingrad: don’t get into a war of attrition against a numerically superior enemy.

Grant got Lee on the run by using his numbers to extend his lines around Richmond-Petersburg beyond what Lee could respond to, hence the retreat to Appomatox.

Wars are fascinating because they are turning points in history: socially, technologically, politically. Women worked in the munitions factories in the world wars and liked earning their own money and Womens Liberation was born. Then came the Pill.

Interesting factoid: the last battle of the civil war took place in Texas. The Confederates won that battle but not, of course, the war.
Surely, my nation's darkest hour when we took up arms against each other in an all-out war. We've had some other dark hours, but none as dark as that, in my opinion.

Yes, you're right about Lee, and numerical superiority of the North, and a war of attrition.
 

jovialmo

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Yes, dark notes of Yank killing Rebel & vv. But it could also be considered the fulfillment of the promise of freedom in the Declaration of Independence.
 

jovialmo

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And showing how stupid and hidebound chief brass can be there is the civil war example of a HUGE mine exploded under enemy (rebel) lines and when the yankee troops advanced and jumped into the crater left by the mine they were easy meat for the rebs either side and behind the crater.

Yet in WWI the Brits pulled the same boneheaded stunt: mine the enemy lines, pack the sap full of explosives, set it off BOOM then have Tommies rush and jump into the crater only to become a turkey shoot to huns either side and behind the crater.

Don’t rush to enlist: make sure the cause is just and doubly check the top brass have some idea what war they are fighting!
 

MilesAway

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HBS Guy said:
And showing how stupid and hidebound chief brass can be there is the civil war example of a HUGE mine exploded under enemy (rebel) lines and when the yankee troops advanced and jumped into the crater left by the mine they were easy meat for the rebs either side and behind the crater.

Yet in WWI the Brits pulled the same boneheaded stunt: mine the enemy lines, pack the sap full of explosives, set it off BOOM then have Tommies rush and jump into the crater only to become a turkey shoot to huns either side and behind the crater.

Don’t rush to enlist: make sure the cause is just and doubly check the top brass have some idea what war they are fighting!
In short-----------> DON'T FIGHT OLD MENS WARS!
 

SethBullock

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HBS Guy said:
And showing how stupid and hidebound chief brass can be there is the civil war example of a HUGE mine exploded under enemy (rebel) lines and when the yankee troops advanced and jumped into the crater left by the mine they were easy meat for the rebs either side and behind the crater.

Yet in WWI the Brits pulled the same boneheaded stunt: mine the enemy lines, pack the sap full of explosives, set it off BOOM then have Tommies rush and jump into the crater only to become a turkey shoot to huns either side and behind the crater.

Don’t rush to enlist: make sure the cause is just and doubly check the top brass have some idea what war they are fighting!
When I've seen reenactments of Revolutionary and Civil War battles, the manner of battle always sort of repulses me when I see lines of infantry marching towards one another, and then one side or the other takes aim and fires at the opposing line, and scores of men on the other side are hit and collapse without even having a chance or firing a shot. No concealment, no cover ... just marching forward ... little more than an expendable target.
 

SethBullock

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HBS Guy said:
Yes, dark notes of Yank killing Rebel & vv. But it could also be considered the fulfillment of the promise of freedom in the Declaration of Independence.
Yes, the long term outcome was positive - the cementing of our Union, the end of slavery. But, my god! What a terrible way to achieve those things. Just horrible.
 

Dax

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Get rid of the god cult and other insane ideological beliefs and you get rid of war, all wars are fought over religion and ideology.
 

Dax

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HBS Guy said:
No, plenty of wars are fought for money: access to markets, raw materials etc.
If that's the case, who conducts those wars, other than god nutters and other insane ideologues. Becoming an apologist for the deranged and destructive actions of god nutter reveals your true colours. Name the wars that have not been instigated and fought by god nutters of every kind. Excuses fall short when the reality is presented and they all involve the name of their gods when going to and participating in war, they all claim god is on their side, even when they have the same god.
 

Dax

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Bongalong said:
Dax said:
Get rid of the god cult and other insane ideological beliefs and you get rid of war, all wars are fought over religion and ideology.
Bullshit!
lets see you support your denial, name a war, conflict or invasion which hasn't been instigated, or involved god nutters in recorded history. In fact name a country god nutter haven't violently invaded and tried to wipe out the indigenous populations.
 

Dax

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HBS Guy said:
WW2 was all about religion, seems you've never read Mein Kamp or any of Hitlers speeches, the great christian Aryian race or the fact catholic Germany wanted to wipe out jews, who they blamed for the death of the non existent jesus.

Try again :grn
 

MilesAway

Bongalong
Dax said:
Bongalong said:
Dax said:
Get rid of the god cult and other insane ideological beliefs and you get rid of war, all wars are fought over religion and ideology.
Bullshit!
lets see you support your denial, name a war, conflict or invasion which hasn't been instigated, or involved god nutters in recorded history. In fact name a country god nutter haven't violently invaded and tried to wipe out the indigenous populations.
Why don't you tell us how the world got made without religion?
 
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