WAR: What is it good for?

SethBullock

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Staff member
I disagree in the killing of ANYONE, without justification. And, there are only 2 justifiable reasons to kill anyone. To prevent your own imminent/immediate death, or to prevent the imminent/immediate death of someone else. Any other reasons are just spin and politics.



I certainly agree that the US should stay out of Middle Eastern affairs, and immediately bring our troops home. Under the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations, it is the host country that must protect the embassy. Even when the host country deems the Ambassador as "persona non grata", and expels him from their country. This is just a symbolic act of protest. But for the rest of the embassy staff, it is still business as usual. And, the host country must still protect the embassy. I have no issues with providing a small contingent of soldiers to provide the internal security for our embassies and its staff.

As far as the US providing training, intelligence, arms, and technical expertise, to become better informed, better skilled, and better trained killers? NO! Haven't we learned anything from our history in this region? Do you really want a list of how many regimes, rebel/terrorist groups, and puppet governments, that we have created, trained, armed and financed since 2001(al Qaeda, YPG, SDF, ISIL, the Taliban, bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, etc.)? ALL FAILURES!!! Stop giving arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel. We are just supporting more terrorist attacks in the region. Stop all these covert CIA operations in the ME. They are nothing more than destabilizing failures. Just get out, and let these people work out their own problem. We have nothing in common with these people. We have enough problems to deal with at home.

Maybe you can give me an example of where this training has been successful? Certainly NOT in Afghanistan and Iraq. I would think that almost 2 decades of training would be enough.
South Korea.

It is in the interest of middle east stability for Iraq to be able to defend and police itself. I don't see any harm in helping them learn how to do that if they want to send their people to us for training. I just don't want our people doing it there.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
South Korea.

It is in the interest of middle east stability for Iraq to be able to defend and police itself. I don't see any harm in helping them learn how to do that if they want to send their people to us for training. I just don't want our people doing it there.

Would you train police officers in Seattle, on how to work the streets of San Francisco? The best training is always in-house for obvious reasons. All you are saying, is that we don't want to kill your people, so we will offer you the training to do it yourself. Should we offer the same training to both sides? How do we know which side to train? Whoever can afford it? When does the training stop--another 20 years?

Our presence alone in Iraq is the cause of its instability. We need to just leave. They, like all other human groups, will eventually learn that cooperation is more productive than conflict and division. All we are doing is prolonging the conflict. Just leave. After 20 years, accomplishing nothing, creating more instability, and killing more innocent people, we should just get out now!!!
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Would you train police officers in Seattle, on how to work the streets of San Francisco? The best training is always in-house for obvious reasons. All you are saying, is that we don't want to kill your people, so we will offer you the training to do it yourself. Should we offer the same training to both sides? How do we know which side to train? Whoever can afford it? When does the training stop--another 20 years?

Our presence alone in Iraq is the cause of its instability. We need to just leave. They, like all other human groups, will eventually learn that cooperation is more productive than conflict and division. All we are doing is prolonging the conflict. Just leave. After 20 years, accomplishing nothing, creating more instability, and killing more innocent people, we should just get out now!!!
I'm fine with getting out now.

It would be an offer to the official Iraqi government. If they don't want it, I'm fine with that too.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
It would be an offer to the official Iraqi government. If they don't want it, I'm fine with that too.

Better yet, lets not offer any government anything from the US. No weapons, no training, no funding, and no promises. We are the ones who fabricated a lie(WMD's) to attack Iraq(just like Viet Nam). We are the ones who invaded Iraq remember? We are the ones who ousted its leader and government. We are the ones who helped create a US puppet government in Iraq. And, we are the ones who abandoned the Kurds to be slaughtered as well. There is no version of the US's actions, or its presence in the ME, that wouldn't upset the balance of power somewhere throughout the region.

Just like Viet Nam. JUST WALK AWAY! You don't hear about any Viet Nam terrorists attacking the US after 1975 do you? We are not welcome in the ME, and we do not belong there. Either we get out now, or more and more people will keep dying for nothing. The US government should stop milking this "war" to squeeze-out more dollars for the MIC, or its military contractual commitments. Just get the "F" out of dodge. NOW!!!
 
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