Wait there's more ... 9/11 destruction is still under investigation

Squire

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The movie, the long kiss goodnight, released in 1996, 5 years before 9/11, has a scene of a black-ops government representative saying "I don't know how to fake the killing of 4000 people, so we will have to do it for real" in the context of discussing US CIA operatives conspiring with terrorists in the Oklahoma bombing to create a terrorist incident to get more money voted for military and security services.


Below is a very interesting presentation describing how 9/11 building demolitions and 'dustification' could have happened using tactical nuclear explosives.

Many people still find the government's explanation of the destruction of three towers and adjacent buildings not credible.

It is very interesting that many people are still passionate about getting to the truth.

This site has several videos which explain the investigation of a number of scientists in terms of investigating how nuclear weapons could have explained the destruction, including the huge crevice below the buildings, the 'dustification' of the buildings which could not be caused by collapse, and the cars far from the buildings catching fire, and one case of a man in the basement of one of the towers getting radiation burns, before the building collapse, so severe it peeled his skin from his arm. It also explains the presence of molten iron flowing from the building and the size of the huge crater known as Silverstein valley in honor of Larry Silverstein who made billions from the 9/11 incident.



https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/30/breathtaking-solving-nuclear-9-11-the-pommer-report/

If your mind is bent the right way (in the sense of the perpetrators of 9/11) you will accept nothing except the fairy tale of Osama bin Laden. Then your mind and your thoughts will clutch and grasp to the last straws, in order to save your world view. It will accept nothing, least of all an offending truth.

Truth, however, is important. So, lets start this subchapter rendering homage to one great defender of the truth, Saint Augustine of Hippo.

Augustine of Hippo (354 – 430 AD)
Saint Augustine of Hippo from Numidia (a Roman province on the North African Coast) was in a certain sense an extremist, whose position could be condensed in the phrase:

“Better to fall with the truth than to stand with the lie.”

He knew Rome well, as he would recognize Rome in modern western society in his splendor and cruelty. Victory at all costs. The truth does not matter, the triumph of the lie is omnipresent and masked – if at all – by the cosy word “illusion”.

To understand the essence of truth – love of God’s creation by all beings – he also studied the lie, defining how these two antipodes reveal themselves in human society.

The next pages show 25 steps in which the destruction process of the South Tower and the processes in the ground are sketched. These sketches did offend many people and were harshly criticized as “fantasy sketches”, or even as a “dangerous effort to deceive the public”.

However, these sketches should be regarded only as a playful approach in an effort to understand a physical process and to calculate a more precise model afterwards. They don’t pretend being “The Truth”. For a conscious person, there is nothing offensive in them. Even if your mind tells you so.

Step 1: Opening of the building at a height of 350 m


Fig. 6-21 Scheme(modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 2: Connection of the nuclear chimney (ignition of small explosives)


Fig. 6-22 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 3: Weakening of the building structure through radiation (embrittlement)


Fig. 6-23 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 4: Weakening of the building structure through small explosives (statics)


Fig. 6-24 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 5: Weakening of the building structure through melting (radiation)


Fig. 6-25 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 6: Nuclear fizzle/neutron flash in the tower


Fig. 6-26 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 7: Impact of the explosion, start of the eruption

Hard Xray radiation in the Harfountain nozzle in the tower chamber

Fig. 6-27 Scheme (modified): http://www.deepexcavation.com/uploads/case_studies/WTC_TimesPhoto_Edited_1small.JPG

Step 8: Evaporation of the building core by the plasma needle (approx. 8,000 °C)

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DonDeeHippy

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there was also a spin off of X-files with the nerdy team that did a almost identical twin towers blowup as well,,, did you ever consider the terrorists can watch TV and Movies as well.....
 

DonDeeHippy

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The only thing I find Dodgy about the whole 9/11 thing is there where no follow up attacks,
just looking at how the USA have handled the Trump Flu in the last year I find it hard to believe they can organize anything little on anti Terrorism....
 

HBS Guy

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I think the towers were the only thing targeted. They are terrorists not an army.
 

SethBullock

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I smiled when I read the first to lines of the quoted article. Here they are ....

"If your mind is bent the right way (in the sense of the perpetrators of 9/11) you will accept nothing except the fairy tale of Osama bin Laden. Then your mind and your thoughts will clutch and grasp to the last straws, in order to save your world view. It will accept nothing, least of all an offending truth."

Given that those lines describe the mind of the dyed-in-the-wool conspiracy theory believer perfectly, it is not hard to recognize that the writer is projecting his own intellectual weakness upon everyone who doesn't buy his theories.
 

SethBullock

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I think the towers were the only thing targeted. They are terrorists not an army.
Right. But just a note: They also targeted the Pentagon and a fourth location. The fourth plane crashed in a Pennsylvania field before it could reach its target. We'll never know, but I think the fourth target was (1) the White House (most likely), or (2) the Capitol Building where Congress meets.
 

johnsmith

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what a load of rubbish.

I recall at the time 9/11 happened I was sitting on my couch reading a Tom Clancy book about terrorists flying a plane into the White House ...😲😲

the thing everyone else forgets is that not all terrorists are illiterate goat herders from farkoffistan, many are educated and read the same books.

Conspiracy theorists think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. No matter how ridiculous or outlandish their claims, for some reason they see that as more plausible than reality
 

Squire

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  1. George W Bush and his associates attempted to block a 9/11 investigation and eventually prevailed in planting stooges on the investigation.
  2. George W Bush refused to give evidence to the commission alone. He needed Dick Cheney with him to reinforce his spine.
  3. No trace of human remains of any passengers at any of the sites, yet the "magic passport" of one of the terrorist floated down into the hands of an observer.
  4. The dancing Israelis said they were there "to observe the event" which implies foreknowledge.
There is very much more ...
 

DonDeeHippy

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  1. George W Bush and his associates attempted to block a 9/11 investigation and eventually prevailed in planting stooges on the investigation.
  2. George W Bush refused to give evidence to the commission alone. He needed Dick Cheney with him to reinforce his spine.
  3. No trace of human remains of any passengers at any of the sites, yet the "magic passport" of one of the terrorist floated down into the hands of an observer.
  4. The dancing Israelis said they were there "to observe the event" which implies foreknowledge.
There is very much more ...
what kind of guy are you ????
I'd pick you for a Bowler kind of guy....
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DonDeeHippy

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Eddy currents (also called Foucault's currents) are loops of electrical current induced within conductors by a changing magnetic field in the conductor according to Faraday's law of induction. Eddy currents flow in closed loops within conductors, in planes perpendicular to the magnetic field.

Basically a Induction stove uses a eddie current to heat, you need actual contact between 2 objects for it to work not just proximity :poketongue:roll
So eddie currents could never do that to car a long way away......
Someone would of have had to physicaly go to every single car and put a conductor on each one with a HUGE power pack.....

Physics the main enemy of conspiracies......
 

Squire

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Eddy currents (also called Foucault's currents) are loops of electrical current induced within conductors by a changing magnetic field in the conductor according to Faraday's law of induction. Eddy currents flow in closed loops within conductors, in planes perpendicular to the magnetic field.

Basically a Induction stove uses a eddie current to heat, you need actual contact between 2 objects for it to work not just proximity :poketongue:roll
So eddie currents could never do that to car a long way away......
Someone would of have had to physicaly go to every single car and put a conductor on each one with a HUGE power pack.....

Physics the main enemy of conspiracies......
Incorrect. You don't need contact. Magnetic fields extend a long way. The earth's magnetic field extends over more than 10,000 km and it is aruable that filaments of it extend much further into space.

It is the magnetic field that causes eddy currents, not contact.

Do you understnd the principle of electromagnetic pulse from nuclear explosion being able to damage electrical systems and transmission lines?



From Wikipedia:

An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also sometimes called a transient electromagnetic disturbance, is a short burst of electromagnetic energy. Such a pulse's origin may be a natural occurrence or man-made and can occur as a radiated, electric, or magnetic field or a conducted electric current, depending on the source.

EMP interference is generally disruptive or damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

Weapons have been developed to deliver the damaging effects of high-energy EMP. ...
 

DonDeeHippy

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Incorrect. You don't need contact. Magnetic fields extend a long way. The earth's magnetic field extends over more than 10,000 km and it is aruable that filaments of it extend much further into space.

It is the magnetic field that causes eddy currents, not contact.

Do you understnd the principle of electromagnetic pulse from nuclear explosion being able to damage electrical systems and transmission lines?



From Wikipedia:
that is not a Eddie current though.......
Eddy currents (also called Foucault's currents) are loops of electrical current induced within conductors by a changing magnetic field in the conductor according to Faraday's law of induction. Eddy currents flow in closed loops within conductors, in planes perpendicular to the magnetic field.

they are closed within a conductor and that is what the false picture you posted is implying that the car's burnt with the principle of a induction stove.... only possible with physical contact......
 

Squire

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that is not a Eddie current though.......
Eddy currents (also called Foucault's currents) are loops of electrical current induced within conductors by a changing magnetic field in the conductor according to Faraday's law of induction. Eddy currents flow in closed loops within conductors, in planes perpendicular to the magnetic field.

they are closed within a conductor and that is what the false picture you posted is implying that the car's burnt with the principle of a induction stove.... only possible with physical contact......
Not true. Induction stove does not require contact, the closer the heated object is to the coil in the induction heater, the greater the magnetic field, and hence the higher the eddy currents. Wireless phone chargers do not require contact. The closer the object being heated or charged is, the lower the reluctance of the magnetic path and the higher the magnetic field in the magnetic circuit formed by the coils and the object being charged or heated.

The magnetic paths in motors and transformers are laminated to mitigate the effect of eddy currents which cause heating.

You have to understand permeance and reluctance to understand induction.

Effectively, a cooking pot with a magnetic material bottom causes a low reluctance path which allows the magnetic field to flow through the bottom of the pot and induce eddy currents in the metal. If the pot does not have steel, iron, or other magnetic material the path is high reluctance and the magnetic field is reduced substantially compared to iron and steel which have low reluctance.

One more point about the burning tires on those burning vehicles. Most car tires have steel-belted construction and the circular shape of tyres is very conducive to maximizing induction in the steel belt. Hence high eddy currents and high heating.
 
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DonDeeHippy

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Yes you need to be very close to a conductor for a Eddie current to work and those cars where not close, 100's of meters away.... It's bullshit and brings the 19 pages before into dodgy territory as well...Magnetic fields don't heat things up like with a EMP.....think about if it just high magnetic fields generated heat mag-lift trains would melt. also any elctro magnet would melt..... a Eddy field is just a side effect of electricity being made....

the north pole would be hotter wouldn't it ?

Also wireless charging does not use Eddie fields.....

now if they said there was a big microwave in the building and it cooked the cars MIGHT be believable,

trying to say big magnetic fields burnt the cars from 100's of meters away from Eddie fields is just a hoax and outright stupid.....
 

Squire

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Yes you need to be very close to a conductor for a Eddie current to work and those cars where not close, 100's of meters away.... It's bullshit and brings the 19 pages before into dodgy territory as well...Magnetic fields don't heat things up like with a EMP.....think about if it just high magnetic fields generated heat mag-lift trains would melt. also any elctro magnet would melt..... a Eddy field is just a side effect of electricity being made....

the north pole would be hotter wouldn't it ?

Also wireless charging does not use Eddie fields.....

now if they said there was a big microwave in the building and it cooked the cars MIGHT be believable,

trying to say big magnetic fields burnt the cars from 100's of meters away from Eddie fields is just a hoax and outright stupid.....
Agree that wireless charging doesn't use eddy currents, but it does use induction.

What is your explanation for the burnt-out cars which were not buried in mounds of hot substance? Furthermore, a 'purported' building collapse does not produce molten steel flowing from the building and molten steel pooling underground.

"If there's a problem with building 7 there's a problem with 9/11."


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...use-3rd-towers-collapse-on-911-300911896.html

University Study Finds Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower's Collapse on 9/11
NEWS PROVIDED BY

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Sep 04, 2019, 16:20 ET

FAIRBANKS, Alaska, Sept. 4, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- The fall of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001, was not a result of fires, according to a draft report released yesterday by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) following a four-year computer modeling study funded by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. ...
 

Squire

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The North pole would not be hotter because the earth's magnetic field is very weak (the field in a generator is 6000 x stronger) relatively static, not a high-frequency oscillating field like the electromagnetic radiation from Microwaves. The higher the frequency, the greater the heating effect.

Mag-lev trains use DC current and notionally stationary fields varied only to adjust the amount of lift according to load, stability requirements, and other conditions, not oscillating fields, and, yes the magnetic field in a Mag-Lev does produce heat when the train is moving, but the heat in the rail is transient and cools relatively quickly after each magnet passes.

The mag-lev train uses a different set of linear motors for propulsion which does use an oscillating field.
 

Squire

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There were explosions in the WTC before the 'planes' hit.

It is evident from the witnesses that there were explosions before the planes hit.

Many witnesses said:

there were explosions before the 'planes' hit.

There was smoke in the subway.

Explosions in the lobby,

an elevator came crashing down.

 
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