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hatty

cynical profane bastard
and the silence from the american trump supporters is deafening

PS.....Ben folds, with the sydney symphony was the last musicians i got to see before it all went south

beautiful song and a great message...... thanks

that orange cunt should be ashamed of himself........ i'm not holding my breath however
 
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MilesAway

Bongalong
and the silence from the american trump supporters is deafening

PS.....Ben folds, with the sydney symphony was the last musicians i got to see before it all went south

beautiful song and a great message...... thanks

that orange cunt should be ashamed of himself........ i'm not holding my breath however
He lost in February 😂
 

SethBullock

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Staff member
and the silence from the american trump supporters is deafening

PS.....Ben folds, with the sydney symphony was the last musicians i got to see before it all went south

beautiful song and a great message...... thanks

that orange cunt should be ashamed of himself........ i'm not holding my breath however
Stay strong, Hatty. Your orange nightmare is only going to last 10 more days, not counting lame duck time.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
My nightmare seth is that pic GP just posted

Fucking hell!...... i watched wonder woman last nite and loved it.........

slapping old mates head on was bit over the top methinks but there is just some shit you cant un-see
 

SethBullock

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Hey Seth i think you will love this guy


i really mean it....... and find it hard to disagree with much of it
He was right about the left and liberals and how they treat anyone who disagrees with them.

The county I live in voted for Trump in 2016. The county I work in also did. There are Trump voters here. Do you know how many Trump lawn signs I see? Do you know how many Trump bumper stickers I see?

Zero.

There is a reason for that because today's left cannot handle it. They cannot be trusted with that information.

Zero.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
He was right about the left and liberals and how they treat anyone who disagrees with them.

The county I live in voted for Trump in 2016. The county I work in also did. There are Trump voters here. Do you know how many Trump lawn signs I see? Do you know how many Trump bumper stickers I see?

Zero.

There is a reason for that because today's left cannot handle it. They cannot be trusted with that information.

Zero.
it takes a dry english man to shine a light on it

I don't wish to live in an echo chamber

i value and respect your opinions

however i can see a lie.......... you are not guilty of that

but trump and biden are no better than my 5 and 8 year olds
 
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MilesAway

Bongalong
it takes a dry english man to shine a light on it

I don't wish to live in an echo chamber

i value and respect your opinions

however i can see a lie.......... you are not guilty of that

but trump and biden are no better than my 5 and 8 year olds
It took nothing: he lost 6 months ago you dumb cunt!
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
so me and pink, received a tap on the shoulder because of me equating a love of firearms with small ....... (well you know)

did you even see it or you were you so knee deep in WA moonshine?

and you get away with calling me a "dumb cunt"

sir dumb cunt with a masters degree today thanks

grow up
 
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Shellandshilo1956

Active member
If there is something illegal about these records, why don't they just prosecute him like they would any other citizen?

These litigants that want Trump's records are interested in politics, not justice.
Because he is the sitting President of the United States. But when he is out of office, this unrepentant lying criminal WILL be wearing a different uniform. And, even the new President can't pardon him, since his crimes are NOT federal crimes.
 
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SethBullock

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Because he is a sitting President of the United States. But when he is out of office, this unrepentant lying criminal WILL be wearing a different uniform. And, even the new President can't pardon him, since his crimes are NOT federal crimes.
That doesn't answer the question, Shell. These tax records are in the hands of the IRS and New York State's tax authority. These are the very people who bring prosecutions against people who violate tax law. And it may be true that New York cannot prosecute a sitting U.S. president, but that doesn't mean they can't indict him. So if they've got a case, where is it?

Or do they just want to force his income taxes into the public eye?

I wonder ... What if Barack Obama had chosen to keep his tax records private? Would heavily Democratic Hawaii have tried to force them into the public view, or would they have respected his wishes?

I think we know the answer, don't we?

And therein lies the illegitimacy of it all. It's politics, pure and simple.
 

SethBullock

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no, you really don't. There is a very good reason why no President before trump had refused to provide their tax records ... you can't seriously think they too wouldn't have preferred their privacy?
What I'm saying, John, is that the whole tax thing is political.

Frankly, I think Trump would have been better off just releasing all of it. But that's just me. However, I cannot forget that he is an American citizen with the same rights as anyone else, and if he doesn't want to, I'll defend that choice because it's his to make as an American citizen. And as I said, all of his returns are already in the hands of those who could prosecute him for any tax crimes. They had decades to do it before he went into politics, and they never did.

This is just politics, and Trump wouldn't play that game.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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That doesn't answer the question, Shell. These tax records are in the hands of the IRS and New York State's tax authority. These are the very people who bring prosecutions against people who violate tax law. And it may be true that New York cannot prosecute a sitting U.S. president, but that doesn't mean they can't indict him. So if they've got a case, where is it?

Or do they just want to force his income taxes into the public eye?

And therein lies the illegitimacy of it all. It's politics, pure and simple.

Seth, you are making a false assumption. Or, an argument out of ignorance. You are assuming that because Trump's tax records are in the hands of the IRS and the tax authorities, that if there were evidence of any improprieties, that these bodies would indict and prosecute. But even if there were overwhelming evidence of wrongdoings, it doesn't mean that they would indict and prosecute. Because, Trump is the sitting President of the US. Although there is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents any sitting President from being indicted and prosecuted by Federal and State courts, it is still an unwritten rule to wait until the end of his term. And, no one wants to be the first to rock that boat.

Remember, Trump has a history of failed business ventures, using the bankruptcy rules to his advantage, defaulting on his loans, screwing his contractors and workers(not paying them), and hiring shading lawyers and advisors(now convicts) to do his dirty work. He is someone who routinely engages in sham financial schemes, and commits fraud(property estimates) to avoid paying millions in taxes. So, we are NOT just talking about John Q. honest Citizen here. We are talking about someone, who IS truly the biggest loser. If anyone's tax records should be put under public scrutiny, then this lying, narcissistic sociopathic POTUS would certainly be my first choice.


You are simply making excuses for him, and even making this a partisan issue(wow). The obvious question is, if he has nothing to hide, then why all the delays, excuses, and the spreading of blame? Is he hiding something? Like the truth? Why do you think that Presidential candidates are asked to submit their tax refunds? It is certainly NOT a legal requirement(only 7 out of 34 past presidents and vice-presidents have declined to file personal tax refunds). However it IS a legal requirement, that these candidates file a "Personal Financial disclosure". Also, the IRS cannot publicly disclose anyone's tax refunds. Only the individual taxpayer can do that(unless under court orders).


I wonder ... What if Barack Obama had chosen to keep his tax records private? Would heavily Democratic Hawaii have tried to force them into the public view, or would they have respected his wishes?

I think we know the answer, don't we?
Really, that is fallacious. Obama's business practices were never questionable, like Trump's. Obama DID released 11 years of Tax Refunds already. If he hadn't is only speculative and irrelevant. Even Nixon disclosed his tax returns. Did you know that Trump paid zero income taxes 10 out of the 15 years before 2017. I guess that this means, that he must be a real smart businessman, right?

Mitt Romney was another crook who refused, initially, to release his tax refunds. But, eventually released one year. Claiming that it was an attack on the rich. He even had the nerve to request that Obama release at least 10 years of his. I personally believe that if he was not a Mormon, he would have been elected.

I also personally believe that the public should know everything about the person they are going to vote to represent their nation. Including any history of criminality, or sainthood. Judging from Trump's history of lies and criminalities, he should be that last person on the planet that anyone should trust. And, anyone OUTSIDE of the US already knows this.

It seems ironic that someone who claims that Obama needs to prove his American citizenship(completely vetted at the highest level), would then refuse to produce tax records and other documents, that would prove how rich he is, how much he gives to charities, how smart he is, what an art of the deal maker he is, and what a great businessman he is. All of the things that he constantly brags about. Odd!!!

Trump has proven three things.

That candidates do NOT need to have any political, military, elected, or business experience(honest), to become the POTUS.

That candidates can be a racist, a separatist, a misogynist, a narcissist, a sociopath, a chronic liar, a xenophobe, an idiot, or a person with zero true social empathy, and still become the POTUS.

That the strength of the Constitution can withstand attacks, even from this Authoritarian ruler for 4 years.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 

johnsmith

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What I'm saying, John, is that the whole tax thing is political.
If you're running for politics, EVERYTHING is political. Releasing the information is just as much a political tool as is not releasing them. Using 'it's political' is not, in my opinion, a valid excuse. The only reason someone running for President would refuse to release it is if they have something to hide.



Frankly, I think Trump would have been better off just releasing all of it. But that's just me. However, I cannot forget that he is an American citizen with the same rights as anyone else, and if he doesn't want to, I'll defend that choice because it's his to make as an American citizen. And as I said, all of his returns are already in the hands of those who could prosecute him for any tax crimes. They had decades to do it before he went into politics, and they never did.

This is just politics, and Trump wouldn't play that game.
But Trump is playing the game no matter how much he chooses to pretend he's not. Also lets not forget, he PROMISED the American people that he would release his records four years ago ... and the American people are still waiting.
 
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