Trump Impeachment Results In Acquittal

mothra

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To my mind, it would have been better to have convicted him, in the hopes of the country healing and setting a very strong precedent that the divisive tactics Trump employed are not going to be tolerated in the country.

I fear that a smarter person than Trump could do a great deal more damage in a fractured US playing a similar hand.

Whilst i accept that that outcome would anger certain fringe groups, i thinks that a lesser path to ruin than emboldening these fringe groups ... which the free pass to Trump symbolises.

Some highly unpleasant people, armed people, have been vindicated by this.
 

greggerypeccary

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That is not a reason to convict. That is a consequence of being convicted. The underlying charge should be the reason for conviction.

Can you imagine if a juror in a criminal trial used the same logic? “ I don’t care if he’s innocent or guilty. I just want to see him go to jail.”
The reason to convict is the indisputable fact that he is 100% guilty of inciting a lethal riot and insurrection.

The penalty is that he never gets to run for office again.

Try to keep up, Seth.
 

greggerypeccary

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To my mind, it would have been better to have convicted him, in the hopes of the country healing and setting a very strong precedent that the divisive tactics Trump employed are not going to be tolerated in the country.

I fear that a smarter person than Trump could do a great deal more damage in a fractured US playing a similar hand.
Exactly.

Trump is an idiot. That's why he fails at everything he attempts.

The next wannabe autocrat might not be so stupid though, and they might just get away with what Trump attempted to do.
 

mothra

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Exactly.

Trump is an idiot. That's why he fails at everything he attempts.

The next wannabe autocrat might not be so stupid though, and they might just get away with what Trump attempted to do.

There is that .. and that is huge ... but it's about more than that to me. And i think it should be about more than that to America.

They just can't condone that kind of crazy fanaticism. Trump played into it from the start. Hell, it was his platform.
 

greggerypeccary

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There is that .. and that is huge ... but it's about more than that to me. And i think it should be about more than that to America.

They just can't condone that kind of crazy fanaticism. Trump played into it from the start. Hell, it was his platform.
MAGA? Trump managed to do the exact opposite.

He set the country back a hundred years.

The place is an utter mess now, thanks to him.

The Divided States of America.
 

HBS Guy

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Can we wind down discussion of Trump now? Yesterday’s man and all that.

He has left a dangerous precedent that someone as unscrupulous as Trump but cleverer can wind up dictator.

I hope Biden swamps the Supreme Court so one less hard right might result, one way to prevent dictatorship in the US. There are cases in lower courts being carefully shepherded to the Supreme Court so as to overturn Roe v Wade. We do not need countries going back to some form of theocracy!

So let us talk of Biden and SCOTUS, not bloody Trump!
 

SethBullock

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@greggerypeccary @mothra

Keep in mind that Trump was defeated in the election BEFORE the events of January 6th.

Also keep in mind that the January 6th rioters are being hunted down and prosecuted.

Tomorrow we go back to work with the Trump era in our rear view mirror.

I think it’s different from an outsider’s perspective when all you know is what makes it into the news. What I see all around me is normalcy. Plain old boring normalcy that is the stuff that doesn’t make the news.

So I would be skeptical of any hyperbolic description of America or her future.

January 6th was a bad day and won’t be soon forgotten, but this country has been through much worse. We’re going to get through this too and move on.


Seth
 

greggerypeccary

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@greggerypeccary @mothra

Keep in mind that Trump was defeated in the election BEFORE the events of January 6th.

Also keep in mind that the January 6th rioters are being hunted down and prosecuted.

Tomorrow we go back to work with the Trump era in our rear view mirror.

I think it’s different from an outsider’s perspective when all you know is what makes it into the news. What I see all around me is normalcy. Plain old boring normalcy that is the stuff that doesn’t make the news.

So I would be skeptical of any hyperbolic description of America or her future.

January 6th was a bad day and won’t be soon forgotten, but this country has been through much worse. We’re going to get through this too and move on.


Seth
You seem to be ignoring the fact that Trump incited a lethal riot and insurrection.
 

DreamRyderX

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To prevent him from running for public office again.
That is not a reason to convict. That is a consequence of being convicted. The underlying charge should be the reason for conviction.

Can you imagine if a juror in a criminal trial used the same logic? “ I don’t care if he’s innocent or guilty. I just want to see him go to jail.”
Exactly, & the House democ-rats failed to make their case simply because there was no case based on the indictment they brought to the US Senate.
 

DreamRyderX

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You seem to be ignoring the fact that Trump incited a lethal riot and insurrection.
If that be the case, & if that is the crime you think he was guilty of, then bring the Civilian Donald John Trump to Criminal Court & try him before 12 American Citizens to get their decision on whether those 12 American Citizens, after hearing all the evidence & arguments from both sides, whether those 12 American Citizens will unanimously agree that he committed the crime you think he committed, beyond a reasonable doubt, & if they find that he did, penalize Mr. Trump according to law.

Then if the United States Senate wish to further penalize him, after his conviction, by not allowing him to run for office in the future, then let them have at it......'due process' was served........


If those 12 American Citizens can't unanimously convict the Civilian Donald John Trump, he is a free man found NOT GUILTY of the crime you think he committed, free to run for any office he so pleases, or retire to live out his life in peace, as a Free American Citizen......................'due process' was served........

 
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Shellandshilo1956

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There is absolutely no problem with the impeachment process. It works just fine. Trump DID ask a foreign government to find any dirt on a political rival, did threaten to withhold funding aid, and he did lie about it. He was then impeached for obstruction of Congress and for abuse of power by the House. He DID commit incitement of insurrection, and was also impeached by the House. But remember this is NOT a court of law. There is NO independent jury of your peers to decide your guilt or innocence. There is only a body of publicly elected representatives in the House and Senate, who must decides if you should be impeached for impeachable crimes and then thrown out of office.

Whether Trump committed these crimes of impeachment has already been decided, and can't be overturned by an appellate court. He was found guilty of these crimes and was impeached in the House. The next phase is whether Trump should be removed from office, because of the crimes he was impeached for in the House. Since the entire impeachment process started while Trump was still in office, it doesn't matter if the process is completed while he is out of office. This is just an excuse for republicans to cling to. Nothing in the Constitution prevents this.

Clearly Republicans are blinded by partisan loyalty, and don't care about the facts or the truth. They just don't want history to show, that the only president ever to be thrown out of office was a republican. Any contrived excuse will do to avoid this political legacy. Even Mitch McConnel admitted that Trump was "practically and morally responsible for the insurrection at the Capitol building..". Yet minutes later, he voted to acquit him, and NOT remove him from office. I just can't think of any other reason to do this.

I personally wish that he was convicted and removed, just for being a world-class embarrassment for the US. Obama opened the door for all minorities to be elected president(except for Chinese, Native Americans, Indians, and women). Trump opened the door for the ultra-partisans, bigots and racists, nationalists and supremacists, sociopaths, populists, and liars. The message by the senate could have closed this door. It is amazing to me, why "trumpanzees" always criticize the messenger, but NOT the message!!
 

Auggie

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Exactly, & the House democ-rats failed to make their case simply because there was no case based on the indictment they brought to the US Senate.
The 14th amendment is not about a criminal conviction, it's about preventing a person from holding political office. He doesn't have to be legally convicted of anything - if the Congress believes he has supported rebellion, then they can vote to prevent him from holding office in Congress. Simple.

Nothing to do with criminal law.

And 5 republi-con senators voted in favour of impeachment; I suspect they could get the 14th amendment passed easily.
 
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