Trump Impeachment Results In Acquittal

SethBullock

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Today the Senate acquitted former President Trump 57-43 (for conviction), falling short of a 2 thirds majority to convict.

The “Goodbye Donald Trump” thread will be closed soon, so feel free to talk about the impeachment or Trump here.

Seth
 

greggerypeccary

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The majority of the Senate just voted to convict him.

Impeached twice.

Lost the popular vote twice.

Lost the Senate.

Lost the House of Reps.

Lost the White House after one term.

There has never been a bigger failure in US politics.

Ever.
 

DreamRyderX

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Gweggy, I hate to have to ask you this question again, but will you answer this simple question......being this newest thread seems the appropriate place to ask it, & because it will be staying open...............

My question is just a simple YES or NO question:


Now that Trump was found NOT GUILTY for the SECOND TIME.....which means Trump is Two for Two...........The DEMS failed to prove their case......again.....Failed for The Second Time In Both of their Two Attempts...................

So can Trump, Gweggy, can Trump run for President again if he so pleased?

Not that he will definitely win if he did......that's not the question Gweggy......

But, Could Trump Run For President In 2024 ..... if he felt like it[/color]?



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HBS Guy

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Party line vote. The Repugs are going to regret this for a long time. Trump is ultimately responsible for the five deaths that occurred in the storming of the Capitol.

He was likely hoping Pence WOULD be murdered by his supporters so he could claim he won the election. Could have been a second Civil War.

Now the next Repug President knows what he can get away with and if he is a bit smarter than Trump he will get away with it.
 

greggerypeccary

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Gweggy, I hate to have to ask you this question again, but will you answer this simple question......being this newest thread seems the appropriate place to ask it, & because it will be staying open...............

My question is just a simple YES or NO question:

Now that Trump was found NOT GUILTY for the SECOND TIME.....which means Trump is Two for Two...........The DEMS failed to prove their case......again.....Failed for The Second Time In Both of their Two Attempts...................

So can Trump, Gweggy, can Trump run for President again if he so pleased?

Not that he will definitely win if he did......that's not the question Gweggy......

But, Could Trump Run For President In 2024 ..... if he felt like it[/color]?



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Yes, he can run again.

Unless they use the 14th Amendment.
 

DreamRyderX

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Party line vote. The Repugs are going to regret this for a long time. Trump is ultimately responsible for the five deaths that occurred in the storming of the Capitol.

He was likely hoping Pence WOULD be murdered by his supporters so he could claim he won the election. Could have been a second Civil War.

Now the next Repug President knows what he can get away with and if he is a bit smarter than Trump he will get away with it.
Well, Impeachment, as you know, was designed to be a potential Political Remedy, to a Political Problem.......on all the Political indictments handed down to the US Senate by the House, former President Donald Trump was found NOT GUILTY on ALL counts........via a Political Response.....

The political process worked just as intended...............politically.

Now, if it is somehow deemed that the former President committed a crime.....broke a criminal statute......he could potentially be tried in a civilian Court of Criminal Law.
 
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greggerypeccary

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Well, Impeachment, as you know, was designed to be a potential Political Remedy, to a Political Problem.......on all the Political indictments handed down to the US Senate by the House, former President Donald Trump was found NOT GUILTY on ALL counts........via a Political Response.....

The political process worked just as intended...............politically.
The majority of the Senate declared him guilty, and Mitch McConnell says the trial proved his guilt.
 

DreamRyderX

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The majority of the Senate declared him guilty, and Mitch McConnell says the trial proved his guilt.
A 'simple' majority vote in this political trial means absolutely nothing.......& what anyone says otherwise means the same....nothing......The Constitution calls for a higher standard than "Majority Rule" or better put "Mob Rule".....the US Constitution (the Law) says they needed to get a 2/3rds majority vote to convict.......They failed......

Former President of the United States of America, Donald John Trump, was found NOT GUILTY, & was not convicted of the political charges against him because guilt was not proven by the vote required to convict.....to find guilt.
 

greggerypeccary

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Exactly how do you propose they could do that?
Appropriate legislation.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof," the amendment says.

"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article," it adds.
 

sherri

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Gweggy, I hate to have to ask you this question again, but will you answer this simple question......being this newest thread seems the appropriate place to ask it, & because it will be staying open...............

My question is just a simple YES or NO question:

Now that Trump was found NOT GUILTY for the SECOND TIME.....which means Trump is Two for Two...........The DEMS failed to prove their case......again.....Failed for The Second Time In Both of their Two Attempts...................

So can Trump, Gweggy, can Trump run for President again if he so pleased?

Not that he will definitely win if he did......that's not the question Gweggy......

But, Could Trump Run For President In 2024 ..... if he felt like it[/color]?



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I'd imagine if he has no charges against him and a clear record, there would be nothing to stop him having a go but I don't think you should worry yourself about it.
For starters it is 4 years off and a week is a long time in politics. Things will have moved on and there is nothing to say the Republicans would even endorse him.
There's also nothing to say Trump himself will want to run then, he may have other interests.
And lastly, we're not talking about guys in the first flush of youth. Trump will be about 78 or whatever by then.
My father was in the pink of health in his early 70s. He worked part time till he was 77, in fact.
However, he told us then that things start to change when you are about 75, go downhill.
I don't suppose that is true for everyone. But it is true for enough people that there's a fair chance Trump won't be in the pink of health by 2024.
I doubt biden will be up to a second term either. They are both a bit long in the tooth.
 

DreamRyderX

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Appropriate legislation.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof," the amendment says.

"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article," it adds.
They have already found him not guilty in the Political Trial......in a criminal trial they would only need 1 juror of the 12 jurors to fail again........

Face it Gweggy.....it's over, & you are just in a temporary State of Denial.....
 

SethBullock

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Party line vote. The Repugs are going to regret this for a long time. Trump is ultimately responsible for the five deaths that occurred in the storming of the Capitol.
I think the Republicans are washing their hands of Trump as evidenced by McConnell’s speech. At this point in time, it’s easy to write the epitaph of the Republican Party, but with the impeachment behind us, the Democrats have to govern. The impeachment is gradually going to fade behind other news and events. I expect that in 2024 the Republicans will nominate a traditional politician. Republicans will vote Republican, Democrats will vote Democrat, and we Independents will decide who wins.

He was likely hoping Pence WOULD be murdered by his supporters so he could claim he won the election. Could have been a second Civil War.
I think that’s far fetched.

Now the next Repug President knows what he can get away with and if he is a bit smarter than Trump he will get away with it.
Nah .... This was a watershed event that will go down in history as universally condemned by all, not counting the lunatics.
 

SethBullock

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I'd imagine if he has no charges against him and a clear record, there would be nothing to stop him having a go but I don't think you should worry yourself about it.
For starters it is 4 years off and a week is a long time in politics. Things will have moved on and there is nothing to say the Republicans would even endorse him.
There's also nothing to say Trump himself will want to run then, he may have other interests.
And lastly, we're not talking about guys in the first flush of youth. Trump will be about 78 or whatever by then.
My father was in the pink of health in his early 70s. He worked part time till he was 77, in fact.
However, he told us then that things start to change when you are about 75, go downhill.
I don't suppose that is true for everyone. But it is true for enough people that there's a fair chance Trump won't be in the pink of health by 2024.
I doubt biden will be up to a second term either. They are both a bit long in the tooth.
Aaaah! The voice of experience and common sense. Sometimes a rare thing on the internet.
 

greggerypeccary

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They have already found him not guilty in the Political Trial......in a criminal trial they would only need 1 juror of the 12 jurors to fail again........

Face it Gweggy.....it's over, & you are just in a temporary State of Denial.....
The can use the 14th Amendment to stop him from running for office again.

What part of that don't you understand?
 

DreamRyderX

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The can use the 14th Amendment to stop him from running for office again.

What part of that don't you understand?
".........shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,"

Basically the House's Indictment........the Senate would have had to have convicted him (found him guilty) by the required 2/3 rds. Majority..........They failed to convict.

So, unless they can get a jury to criminally charge & convict Trump in a Criminal Court of Law for breaking '18 US Code § 2383'.....by a UNANIMOUS 12-0 criminal jury trial conviction..........a Federal Court can't enforce the 14th Amendment......period

And it's also a fact, a US Citizen can't be found guilty by legislation (law) not written yet......the Law must be in effect before a crime can be committed.
 
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greggerypeccary

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".........shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,"

Basically the House's Indictment........the Senate would have had to have convicted him (found him guilty) by the required 2/3 rds. Majority..........They failed to convict.

So, unless they can get a jury to criminally charge & convict Trump in a Criminal Court of Law for breaking 18 US Code § 2383.....by a UNANIMOUS 12-0 criminal jury trial conviction, they can't enforce the 14th Amendment......period

And it's a fact, a US Citizen can't be found guilty by legislation (law) not written yet......the Law must be in effect before a crime can be committed.
You are wrong, as usual.

They can use the 14th Amendment.

Democratic senators have discussed in recent weeks that they might invoke the 14th Amendment, which says Congress can bar people who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the U.S. from holding office.

According to the U.S. Senate archives, the amendment was passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later. Besides granting citizenship to all persons “born or naturalized in the United States,” including formerly enslaved people, and providing everyone with “equal protection under the laws,” it also banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the U.S. from holding any civil, military or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate.
 

DreamRyderX

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You are wrong, as usual.

They can use the 14th Amendment.

Democratic senators have discussed in recent weeks that they might invoke the 14th Amendment, which says Congress can bar people who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the U.S. from holding office.

According to the U.S. Senate archives, the amendment was passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later. Besides granting citizenship to all persons “born or naturalized in the United States,” including formerly enslaved people, and providing everyone with “equal protection under the laws,” it also banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the U.S. from holding any civil, military or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate.

That is ONLY if they can get a jury to criminally charge & convict Trump in a Criminal Court of Law for breaking '18 US Code § 2383'.....by a UNANIMOUS 12-0 criminal jury trial conviction first..........a Federal Court, or the US Senate, can't enforce the 14th Amendment without a conviction......period

A conviction needs to come first.....the US Senate can't just declare that he's was guilty of breaking a criminal law without the 'due process' of a criminal trial.....


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DreamRyderX

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They can use the 14th Amendment.
That's the Constitutional Law codified by & contained in the Federal Statute passed by Congress to enforce the 14th Amendment.........18 US Code § 2383..........The US Congress itself can't hold a US Citizen as guilty of a crime without 'due process', & Congress does not have the Constitutional Authority/Power to hold 'criminal trials', only a Criminal Court can hold criminal trials..........Separation of Powers 101........Congress is the Legislative Branch of Government, the Courts are the Judicial Branch of Government
 
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