Trigger happy Yanks

DonDeeHippy

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Why do you troll me like that?

My remarks addressed the selective outrage that our media engages in. The incident DonDeeHippy referenced happened around January 10th. It got a mention in the news, and was forgotten by the next day. Three or four people were killed. And, as of January 25th, 44 murders have occurred in Chicago this month.

The media doesn’t care. The politicians aren’t talking about it. And there are no groups publicly protesting this carnage.

The victims and suspects in these murders in Chicago are overwhelmingly black. And yet, judging by the media coverage, we see nothing but the usual apathy.

Why?

Imagine that this same carnage was happening in an upper middle class city, and the suspects and victims were upper middle class white teenagers and young adults instead.

Would the media and politicians be so apathetic then? I doubt it.

You accuse me of racism and, in your zeal to accuse, you miss the point by a country mile, disparaging me in the process.

In the incident DonDeeHippy brought up, it would have been national news if the suspect had been white and killed 3 or 4 black people. Politicians would have spoke, protests in the street, and a narrative of the growing threat would have been front and center.

But alas, that wasn’t the case, so ....

You see, I don’t see that selective outrage or that apathy as benign. I don’t see it as inadvertent. I see it as deliberate and malicious.

I see it as racism. And I see cold-hearted, cynical politics behind the decisions in the back rooms of our media and politicians as to what we will use and what we won’t.

At least the KKK is honest about their racism. It’s overt and unmistakable.

The racism of the media and politicians is far more subtle because it is not the racism expressed in their words, it is the racism expressed by their silence. I think I could make a case that this silence - this covert racism- is far more destructive than the words of half a dozen jackasses in white robes at a rally attended by a half dozen other jackasses, probably related to them.

So this racism perpetrated by the liberal media and politicians, their cynical use of someone else’s tragedy to advance a political narrative, and their silence when it doesn’t fit their narrative, it angers me.

And YOU accusing me ... YOU are the reason why we can’t talk about any of this in the U.S. YOU shut down the discussion. YOU are perpetuating the silence. YOU are the reason why nothing changes. And YOU are the one who makes people just turn away.

YOU did this. YOU own it.
(y) Well put Seth :)
Hope Shel actually reads what you said and doesn't go on a Tangent.... Again
 

DreamRyderX

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Hey arsehole.. I didn't get given anything...I worked for what I have.

I wouldn't live in the US if you paid me. And NEITHER WOULD YOU. !! HAH.!
I can return to America, the place of my birth & my beloved homeland, whenever I so please, but I've made an unselfish choice & pledge, almost 30 years ago, to make my beloved's homeland, Australia, my home too...........Happy Wife=Happy Life my Aussie friends always say
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Why do you troll me like that?
If you are going to make truth-claims, then I expect to see the evidence. If you're going to post conclusions based only on assumptions, then I need to know that those assumptions are true. If you're going to give biased opinions, then you should be able to defend them. If I seem to be a troll to you, then I apologize. This is not my intention. I am only interested in discovering the truth. If someone tells me that thousands of people are infected, when there are only around thirty people, then I'll be a troll for pointing this out? Every opinion that I post, includes some objective and verifiable facts to support my claim. I simply expect this level of intellectual honesty from others. My mindset or worldview is NOT restricted and hopefully NOT influenced, by silly ideological, radical, political, or religious paradigms.

You have made many truth-claims about Antifa. If Antifa initiated many of the violence and damages as you claim, then the evidence should be easily demonstrated. But even when your own right-wing media won't support your assumptions, you still keep depositing this claim. Even when shown other evidence against your claims, you still keep claiming that Anti-fascists and Fascists are all subversive groups, all having similar ideologies. Even when you are shown WHY one group is NOT an ideology(socialism, anarchism, communism, fascism, etc.), and the other group is, you just ignore it. Its the same as when Tulsi was being branded as a socialist, a traitor, and a Putin puppet. People just didn't care about why this couldn't possibly be true. They just believed what they were told repeatedly.

In the incident DonDeeHippy brought up, it would have been national news if the suspect had been white and killed 3 or 4 black people. Politicians would have spoke, protests in the street, and a narrative of the growing threat would have been front and center.
This is complete BS, and you know it. Name just one case ever, where any White or Black armed deranged asshole, went on a killing spree killing White or Black victims, and was gunned down by police, and protesters then took to the streets in outrage over his death? The protesting that you seem to be deflating, are in response to the killing of UNARMED Black(and White) Americans, or those being choked to death while in handcuffs, or those beaten to death while in custody, or those shot to death while upstairs sleeping in their bed, or those who are unarmed and running away, or those naked and refusing to obey orders, or those sitting in their living-room playing a video game, or standing up to racist bigoted supremist fascist cowards. These are the real atrocities that provoke public concern and scrutiny. Not because of any armed deranged nutcase with a huge mental chip on his shoulders. White or Black.

I couldn't care less how the media chooses to spin a tragedy. If the media wants to exploit these mass tragedies by race, it is totally irrelevant. Is the race of the lunatic, the type of suburb, the race of the victims really the issue here? Personally, I think the media only enables these lunatics to commit these atrocities. They give them their time in the spotlight.

At least the KKK is honest about their racism. It’s overt and unmistakable.
Are you serious! It doesn't matter if racist, bigoted, separative, or supremist views are expressed openly or kept well hidden. Both are evil and need to be weeded out of society. Are you trying to suggest that openly spreading this poison, is better than spreading it covertly? This is probably the most telling thing you have ever said, and certainly removes all doubts for me. I'd say that the vast majority of White Americans believe that they are on the top rung of the racial ladder, and are superior to all other ethnic groups. This is of course a provable lie, since all individuals are both unique and genetical similar. If you asked the head of the KKK if he was a racists or not, he would just say NO. No racial bigots wants to ever admit, or be exposed as a bigot or a racists. Maybe they are afraid that they might offend the races they want to subjugate? These cowards just can't get over one hurdle. CHOICE!! NO ONE CHOOSES THEIR RACE OR GENDER!! This has nothing to do with the level of racial sensitivity, and everything to do with the truth. If you tell people, that over half of all Murders in America, are committed by one race, then don't act so surprised if people of that race might be a little sensitive. Especially, when you are wrong! Maybe one day you will realize that you are responsible for what you actually say and do. NOT what you think. You can't just criticize others, and then blame THEM for being oversensitive if they are offended. That is called arrogance. Also,

If you say that Blacks commit over half of all MURDERS, and you are proven wrong, then OWN it.
If you say that most Blacks household are single parent household, and it is proven that they are not(just unwed households), then OWN it.
If you say that Antifa is demonstrating outside a bookstore because of a book they don't like, but fail to mention that the book accuses their entire movement of plotting to takedown the government, then OWN it.
If you say that Antifa has committed violence and property damage at one demonstration, and it is proven that they weren't even there, then OWN it.
If you claim that you don't support violence as a form of redress, but don't mind if the good-old-boys use violence to stop the redress by others, then OWN it.
If your entire mindset and worldview is defined by a single political ideology, then OWN it.
If you don't know the difference to between a movement and an extreme ideology, then OWN it
If you are close-minded to most radical views, and their proposed changes, then OWN it.
If you believe that the sovereignty of other countries are irrelevant compared to the sovereignty of the US, then own it.
If you feel that the US can invade any country it wants, drone kill any of the citizens it wants, and stay for as long as it feels threatened, then OWN it.
 
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Auggie

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Sorry to sound so cynical, Don, but if it hadn't been in Chicago, it might get more attention. If the suspect was white instead of black, and the victims were black, it would be gigantic news. But he was black, so ho hum ...

A black man going on a shooting rampage in Chicago doesn't fit the narrative for outrage, outrage, outrage.

"Nothing to see here, folks!" - the liberal media
And the answer is: let's put more guns in the hands of everyone!
 

DonDeeHippy

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Think what you want.
I think your predictions where right , never heard a peak about this tragedy again, never heard a politician talking about it, if that happened here there would still be shock over the incident....
Weather it was because of what you said or just a numbing of so much violence in your country it's a real shame...
 

SethBullock

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I think your predictions where right , never heard a peak about this tragedy again, never heard a politician talking about it, if that happened here there would still be shock over the incident....
Weather it was because of what you said or just a numbing of so much violence in your country it's a real shame...
52 murders in Chicago in January, but the politicians and the media don’t care about black on black crime. That is their racism by silence.

They don’t care about it. And yet they get angry and project their own racism on anyone who tries to bring it up. What they want, and what they enforce, is silence, just as we have seen on this site.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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The politicians and and the media did not murder anyone. It is totally irrelevant what race they choose to sensationalize. What evidence can you deposit that can support these same old White stereotypic biased assumptions? Does the media also sensationalize White on White mass shootings?

Finally, we were talking about MASS SHOOTINGS(3 or more victims), NOT the 42 murders in Chicago in Jan.

And yet they get angry and project their own racism on anyone who tries to bring it up. What they want, and what they enforce, is silence, just as we have seen on this site.
For the last time Seth. You are responsible for everything that comes out of your mouth. People can only question what you say, not what you think. We can only induce/deduce that. If you claim that over 50% of murders in the US are committed by one race, then we expect to see the evidence. If you claim that a race is mostly composed of a single parent family, then prove it. If you claim that most illegal violent immigrants are simply being let back out into society, then prove it? If you are claiming that the US is NOT ignoring the sovereignty of countries and killing its citizens in self-defense, then prove it. And, when you make other racial claims, make sure that you can provide the evidence to support it. You simply can't make unsupported, nationalistic and racially-biased claims without evidence. And, then whine, claiming that people are just shaming you to stop. Why let the Whole truth get in the way of your right to slander a race(other than White of course) with half-truths?

This is NOT a catch 22. You are saying very sensitive things about a race(negative things). Are you really upset because people are challenging your claims? Here's a novel idea that won't get to much push-back. Try telling the WHOLE truth, and see what happens! Maybe it IS better that you don't make specific deductions, based only on selective facts. Maybe you should look for a verifiable DIRECT AND UNBIASED causal link, before spewing out all this misinformation. All you are doing is telling people with your mindset, exactly what they want to hear. And, appealing to those same people for sympathy and support. I guess if 81.1% of all players in the NBA are Black, that must mean that 80% of the entire White population can't jump. Right? Projecting? How and what?
 
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Auggie

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The politicians and and the media did not murder anyone. It is totally irrelevant what race they choose to sensationalize. What evidence can you deposit that can support these same old White stereotypic biased assumptions? Does the media also sensationalize White on White mass shootings?

Finally, we were talking about MASS SHOOTINGS(3 or more victims), NOT the 42 murders in Chicago in Jan.



For the last time Seth. You are responsible for everything that comes out of your mouth. People can only question what you say, not what you think. We can only induce/deduce that. If you claim that over 50% of murders in the US are committed by one race, then we expect to see the evidence. If you claim that a race is mostly composed of a single parent family, then prove it. If you claim that most illegal violent immigrants are simply being let back out into society, then prove it? If you are claiming that the US is ignoring the sovereignty of countries and killing its citizens in self-defense, then prove it. And, when you make other racial claims, make sure that you can provide the evidence to support it. You simply can't make unsupported, nationalistic and racially-biased claims without evidence. And, then whine, claiming that people are just shaming you to stop. Why let the Whole truth get in the way of your right to slander a race(other than White of course with half-truths?

This is NOT a catch 22. You are saying very sensitive things about a race(negative things). Are you really upset because people are challenging your claims? Here's a novel idea that won't get to much push-back. Try telling the WHOLE truth, and see what happens! Maybe it IS better that you don't make specific deductions, based only on selective facts. Maybe you should look for a verifiable DIRECT AND UNBIASED causal link, before spewing out all this misinformation. All you are doing is telling people with your mindset, exactly what they want to hear. And, appealing to those same people for sympathy and support. I guess if 81.1% of all players in the NBA are Black, that must mean that 80% of the entire White population can't jump. Right? Projecting? How and what?
To quote Seth: "Nice rant. You get the last word on this. I’m out."
 

Shellandshilo1956

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What if the politicians, or the media did NOT spotlight any violence at all? Would the violence then all go away? Are you suggesting that there is some direct link between coverage by the media and the commission of a crime? If so, then lets see the evidence? If not, what is the point you are making about the media and the politicians? That Blacks get more coverage than Whites, Or some version of this? Sounds more like deflecting than relevant to me.

Sounds to me that you are saying, lets forget about White cowards killing unarmed Black men, women and children. Lets just criticize the media and politicians, for NOT giving other murders involving other races equal attention. Maybe they should stop showing these filmed and blatant injustices that are being committed. In this way, these injustices will continue to go on undetected. This is intellectual honesty at its lowest, and White arrogance at its highest. Really, a racial favoritism conspiracy? Here's an idea. Just put all the bored sociopathic cowards with guns in jail, for the crimes they actually commit. And, if they are so stupid to commit these crimes on camera, then the more reason to get these cowards off the streets. Psychotic, impassive, and stupid.
 

Auggie

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I can return to America, the place of my birth & my beloved homeland, whenever I so please, but I've made an unselfish choice & pledge, almost 30 years ago, to make my beloved's homeland, Australia, my home too...........Happy Wife=Happy Life my Aussie friends always say
Hey! Australia's not that bad - low crime, no snow, friendly people.
 

DreamRyderX

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Hey! Australia's not that bad - low crime, no snow, friendly people.
I agree & then some.....
....nothing will ever compare, or come close to comparing to the place of my birth, the good ole USA, but I have made a good life here in Australia, & my wife is very happy we have................


 

Auggie

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I agree & then some.....
....nothing will ever compare, or come close to comparing to the place of my birth, the good ole USA, but I have made a good life here in Australia, & my wife is very happy we have................


Well, I suppose there's nothing like home. We all feel an attachment somewhat to where we were born and grew up. If I had to live in another country, I'd still probably love Australia more, but that's only because I was born here and grew up here.
 

DreamRyderX

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Well, I suppose there's nothing like home. We all feel an attachment somewhat to where we were born and grew up. If I had to live in another country, I'd still probably love Australia more, but that's only because I was born here and grew up here.
Then you understand a little about how I feel......for me there is no probably.....for me there is nothing less than a resounding definitely.....not to shortchange how positive I feel about Australia but, I will always love America far more than wherever else my boots may wander.....

When this virus thing becomes a yesterday event, we will, with the Good Lord's help, resume our regular holidays Stateside, as we did prior to the onslaught of the Chinese Plague.......
 
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Chuck

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The title is most appropriate title as the deployment advise prior to being posted to Vietnam is watch out for the Yanks.
They were doped up and trigger happy!
 

SethBullock

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I think your predictions where right , never heard a peak about this tragedy again, never heard a politician talking about it, if that happened here there would still be shock over the incident....
Weather it was because of what you said or just a numbing of so much violence in your country it's a real shame...
It's not a numbing. Look at the reaction to the violence at the Capitol for instance. Get a shooter in a mostly white school and see what happens in the media.

It's political, Don. I honestly believe that violence against black people doesn't matter to the media elite and political elite unless it fits a political agenda. And I will tell you that I regard that as a sickening and pernicious practice of racism by the very hypocrites who condemn it. The ultimate in projection and hypocrisy. This is a good article below.

 
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