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Trigger happy Yanks

in the end.. we are all humans.. regardless of where we live.

All the same on so many levels.

If France can have 10,000 new cases yesterday, so could we, if we were not behaving differently.

Say what you like.. I support Border Restrictions. I too live in QLD.:oldman:rolleyes:
That is correct. All human beings are human beings. They are not sheep monkeys, or insects. And, you are correct, that where humans live don't make them more or less human. I see that platitudes and truisms have been added to your arsenal.

If France can have 10,000 new cases yesterday, so could we, if we were not behaving differently.
Even if we did exactly the same as France, it does not mean that we will also have the same results. There are just too many variables to be considered(topography, weather/climate, temperature, density, demographics, geography, healthcare systems, medical access, season, population, nutrition, etc.). It is a bit more complicated that just wearing a mask, and keeping away from each other. Simply claiming that our current death toll, is the result of our social and personal sacrifices, is just another self-serving and biased argument from ignorance. There could be many other reasons that could explain the same results. You only know the ones that you are told.

Again, it is only what you want to believe. What I do know for certain is that,

of the 26,692 people who have been infected, 23,573 of those infected have recovered. These thousands of people will NOT be spreading this virus.
of the 26,692 people who have been infected, 816 of those infected have died. These hundreds of people will NOT be spreading this virus.

What this means, is that over time, a much greater number of people will become immune to the disease, than the number of people being infected and dying from the disease. Over time, the virus will either become inert or must evolve. Because millions of people will now be immune. This is how nature/evolution works naturally.

Queensland is my home, but Australia is my country. And, it hurts me everyday, to see just how gullible so many Australians can be. And, it is truly sad to see just how easy Australians can turn on their fellow Australians.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? It is a fallacious argument that isn't proof of anything. Except that you don't know something. Also, look up irrelevant conclusions, cognitive bias, non sequitur, or any of the causality fallacies you keep committing.
enough about you. What about what I posted....
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
It doesn't matter if England is also an island, or have a better healthcare system. I'm curious, what is the average age of those dying, in a country where 16% of its population is over 65 years old?
Australia has an aging demographic. The proportion of the Australian population aged 65 and over was 15% in 2017,

Are you talking Australia or England :ROFLMAO:
Either way who care's the age....People dying are people dying....
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
What is the DIRECT causal link, between the covid-19 deaths in England, Sweden, Norway, or the United States, and AUSTRALIA? NONE!! The people in those countries being infected or dying, have no causal relationship with Australia. Anything they do in those countries, have no direct link to Australia. Their stats have no relevance to Australian stats.
I suppose you think this about Poisonous chemicals as well, just because DDT was bad in the USA doesn't mean a thing!!!!
Vehicle fatalities
Environmental issue's
Building codes...
As pinky says we are all in this together in this world....
Ignoring what happens in other countries is just plain old ignorance....
Expecialy as we are all humans C-19 effects us exactly the same no matter what country they are in.....
Next you will be arguing a Vaccination developed in another country wont work here 😆😅
 
Australia has an aging demographic. The proportion of the Australian population aged 65 and over was 15% in 2017,

Are you talking Australia or England :ROFLMAO:
Either way who care's the age....People dying are people dying....
Still appealing to the emotions of people? I was NOT making any assumptions, I was asking a question. And, clearly I was talking about England to highlight a point I was trying to make.

It doesn't matter if England is also an island, or have a better healthcare system. I'm curious, what is the average age of those dying, in a country where 16% of its population is over 65 years old?
And, who cares if England is on an island, or that it has a better health system than Australia? Totally irrelevant. However, the age of those dying from from Covid-19 IS relevant. In Australia, the average age of those dying from this disease is 78 for males, and 84 for females. Two thirds of all confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Australia, are from people who are under 50yo(63% just from those 20-40yo). And, since 99.4% of those dying from this disease are over 50yo(784 out of 788 deaths), AGE IS CERTAINLY A BIG DEAL!!

Since people do not live forever, there will always be people dying genius! Around 60 Million people per year. But we don't shut down our economy, enslave our people, or isolate our country because of it.
 
Ignoring what happens in other countries is just plain old ignorance....
But making policies, based solely on what happens in other countries is insane and immature. Can't Australia think for itself, or does it's decisions need to be decided by what other countries do? Is Australia an independent leader in the world, or a dependent follower of the world? Just think about it for a second. Out of all the collective minds that this government has at its disposal, the best answer it could come up with to address this pandemic, was to force 26M people to stay away from each other? Really? And to do this, it needed to end the civil rights of its people, end the number of people going to work, end most private businesses serving the people, end people gathering in groups, end the hospitality, sporting, entertainment, and travel industries, and close down and guard all the borders. This is the reactions of a 10 year old, not a rational-thinking adult. We are not at war with another country. The people in our population are NOT dropping like flies because of this virus. No matter how well-packaged and subtle the Government's fear mongering is.

I guess if your entire reality in life, is based on what you see over the boob-tube, then all of this well-packaged hype, is the only reality you will ever understand.

We are not talking about vaccinations, DDT, other environmental issues, building codes, vehicle fatalities, poisonous chemicals, the taste of food, or the color of milk. We are not talking about any other silly distracting straw man arguments, that you can come up with as a dodge. We are talking about your fear-mongering, your spreading of misinformation, and your parroting of government sound-bites. How many mistakes, lies, misrepresentations, and half-truths do I have to expose, before even you can see the truth? Or, are your beliefs just as manic and fundamental, as your biased understanding of the facts?

What happens in other countries(regarding Covid-19), is irrelevant to what is happening in this country. There are similarities, and there are differences. You seem to choose only the facts you need to exploit your self-serving narrative(one-sided). You provide zero evidence of any links, to support any of your assertions and conclusions. If you want to believe that separating 26M people will stop the spread of a virus, then lets see the facts. The stats simply don't show this. Just more of the same unsupported belief that you are peddling. Just like most of the things you parrot as factual.

Expecialy as we are all humans C-19 effects us exactly the same no matter what country they are in.....
Although we are all humans as a species, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME HUMANS. If we were, either 100% of those infected would recover, or 100% of those infected would die. Clearly this is NOT the case. Therefore, Covid-19 will effect each human differently, NOT the same. Some will only develop mild symptoms, some no symptoms, and for some, very severe symptoms. And, of course some will die.

But you are correct, where the human is located physically, is totally irrelevant. And, you are also correct, in that the threat of Covid-19 is the same for all air-breathing human beings.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Still appealing to the emotions of people? I was NOT making any assumptions, I was asking a question. And, clearly I was talking about England to highlight a point I was trying to make.



And, who cares if England is on an island, or that it has a better health system than Australia? Totally irrelevant. However, the age of those dying from from Covid-19 IS relevant. In Australia, the average age of those dying from this disease is 78 for males, and 84 for females. Two thirds of all confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Australia, are from people who are under 50yo(63% just from those 20-40yo). And, since 99.4% of those dying from this disease are over 50yo(784 out of 788 deaths), AGE IS CERTAINLY A BIG DEAL!!

Since people do not live forever, there will always be people dying genius! Around 60 Million people per year. But we don't shut down our economy, enslave our people, or isolate our country because of it.
yes and as you point out Australia and England have almost identical percent of aged population so our death rate could easily be the same, thanks for bringing this to our attention...
 
yes and as you point out Australia and England have almost identical percent of aged population so our death rate could easily be the same, thanks for bringing this to our attention...

Why do you make such stupid assumptions? In spite of "almost identical" being the first oxymoronic statement I've heard, you still don't get it. Or, you just refuse to get it? You can speculate and assert anything you want. You can claim, that this virus will kill everything that moves, if left unchecked. You can claim that the government cares more about you, than your own mother. You can claim, that the death toll in bum-fuck Egypt, will certainly happen here, unless we sacrifice our first born to the God of "Oh Sharona". You can claim, that all citizens should be kept isolated in cages for 14 days, and then monitored for the rest of their lives, just to be sure. You can find any unfounded, unverifiable, unsupportable, obscure, or irrelevant connections that you want. The problem is proving it, or at least demonstrating it objectively. If you can't show it, then you don't know it. So, show it. How could the death rate among the elderly in England, be easily the same here in Australia, just because the demographics may be the same? Never mind, you don't have a clue.

Again, I asked you, how does any stats in England have any effect on Australia? They have absolutely no effect at all. Therefore, their demographics, their population, their viral mortality and morbidity rates, have absolutely no effect here in Australia. None!! Can anyone in Australia be infected by anyone living in England? Of course not. So, why do you keep using other country's stats, and claiming that what happens there COULD/MIGHT happen here? And, worse, using those stats, to justify ending our economy, imprisoning our people, and isolating our country? This is just blatant fear-mongering to the chronically ignorant.

Maybe the real reason for using stats outside of Australia, is because the stats here just don't justify this level of response. The stats clearly show that many times more people have been infected and died from Covid-19, since this lock-down started, than before. Clearly, the lock-down has no effect on this virus. So, if 100's of thousands have died from Covid-19 in the whole world, then by-golly-gee-whiz, I guess with only 800 elderly people dying in Australia, then this lock-down MUST be working. In spite of the facts that it isn't. This virus will only end this season, when more and more people become immune, and fewer and fewer people are able to be infected. That's it. This is exactly what we are seeing.

then all you other arguments about no other countries having a impact on Australia's policies is rubbish...
The argument is, that no other country's stats SHOULD have any direct impact on Australian policy. We could tell the almost a Million Australians, who are now out of work, that they are lucky. That in America, 30 million people are out of work. Our policies should only be based on our own stats. All the rest is conjecture, assumptions, and crystal-balling. Using the stats from other countries to justify our actions, and ignoring all the variables in those countries, is the real rubbish. But that is what you do. Make the narrative fit at all costs. The truth only gets in the way!!!
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Why do you make such stupid assumptions?
I didn't, you did Shell, you brought up the percentage of people over 65 in England....Just another straw man that has back fired on you...
Can anyone in Australia be infected by anyone living in England?
very easily if they come over here..
That's not really the question though.. When people get infected in Australia could the virus spread like it did over there and could we have the same mortality rates.....In case you wondering the answer is yes....

You can claim, that the death toll in bum-fuck Egypt, will certainly happen here, unless we sacrifice our first born to the God of "Oh Sharona"
Funny I've never said anything like that, just your mind playing tricks on you... I have mentioned England and the USA though.. As they are very much the same civalization as us, hell one of these countries homes our Head of State...
 
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pinkeye

Wonder woman
Although we are all humans as a species, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME HUMANS. If we were, either 100% of those infected would recover, or 100% of those infected would die. Clearly this is NOT the case. Therefore, Covid-19 will effect each human differently, NOT the same. Some will only develop mild symptoms, some no symptoms, and for some, very severe symptoms. And, of course some will die.

But you are correct, where the human is located physically, is totally irrelevant. And, you are also correct, in that the threat of Covid-19 is the same for all air-breathing human beings.
Are there other types of human beings. ??

You state the obvious as if it is some remarkable revelation, when most of us are aware you do NOT KNOW everything about this virus. You can parade your statistics with abandon,, as you do. You obviously enjoy yourself. Well good for you...

Just don't expect everyone to believe you.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Getting this thread back on topic ...

As you know, Oregon has had a terrible time with fires. Some have been caused by power lines, some by arson. Several arsonists have been arrested in the state. There have been a few incidents of looting and arrests in the fire damaged areas.

This woman found a stranger on her property carrying nothing but matches.

 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
i don't get the need by some to light forrest fires .. they seem especially drawn to it when fire services are already stretched. Should jail them for one year for every acre of shrub/forrest/grass they burn
 
Are there other types of human beings. ??

You state the obvious as if it is some remarkable revelation, when most of us are aware you do NOT KNOW everything about this virus. You can parade your statistics with abandon,, as you do. You obviously enjoy yourself. Well good for you...

Just don't expect everyone to believe you.

Since there are no longer any other species of Homo sapiens, we are all ONE human species. But we are NOT the same humans, individually. My point was, that IF we were all the same, physically, genetically, and biochemically, then this virus would either wipe us all out, or we would all recover from it. It was NOT about if there were other types of humans, or simply stating the obvious.

You stated, "...we are all humans.. regardless of where we live.". Clearly stating the obvious! Then you double-down by stating, "All the same on so many levels.". Again, stating the obvious. Then you create your own self-serving hypothetical and straw man, that if France can have 10,000 new cases(0.01% of its population) in one day, then Australia could also have those same numbers. And, that the reason we don't, is because we are behaving differently than them. Just another gap-filling pure argument from ignorance. No verifiable links or evidence to support this belief. Just more biased self-serving, opinionated beliefs. Why don't you just use the stats from here, to justify your beliefs? Why use the stats in other countries, or the people in other countries, that can't effect us WHILE THEY ARE LIVING THERE? How many people are being tested positive for covid-19, out of the millions of testings? All you are saying to me, is that you are willing to destroy our country's economy, imprison and separate our people, give away our basic freedoms and liberties without a fight, just because of the government's selective, well-packaged, and sensationalized fear-mongering hype, spewed out all over the news by its media stooges.

Try and think for yourself, and not just do as you are told. Once you start reaching for stats from outside of Australia, to justify any policy, or results, that happens in Australia, it only means that your own stats are not good enough. Using other country's stats, without establishing some direct link, other than that they also have old people, or belong to the same species, is just a silly logical fallacy of ignorance. This is, "We're better than you" childish belief.

I am under no illusion, that people like you would ever except anything, that would contradict your basic core beliefs. It is easier to be blissfully ignorant, than to be painfully enlightened(blue pill, red pill). So, just ignore the relevant facts, create your own logic, or just keep your head buried in the sand. You will never be part of the solution. Apathy, indifference, and ignorance, are the attributes of mob thinkers, not rational thinkers. But hey, religious fanatics also have this same level of cognitive dissonance. You simply dismiss the objective facts, that we are talking about less than 1% of the population being infected(FACT), having a more than 96% recovery rate(FACT), that the lock-down and social distancing are statistically NOT working(FACT), and that only less than 0.003% of the entire population with a compromised immune or a preexisting chronic illnesses have died from this virus(FACT).

So, again, I am under no illusions that anyone like you would listen to, or even query any of the facts that I present. So the information I present is only for those whose dismissive minds are not completely closed.

And, I certainly know more about the physiology of this virus, and how it effects the human physiology than you do. This is self-evident every time you post.
 
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