Terrorists Strike Portland

hatty

cynical profane bastard
everyone should be fucking concerned as to how it came to this?

and if, in americas case, anyone says overcoming adversity

thanks, i'll spew
 
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Squire

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The Trumpers and other white extremists are causing havoc and chaos in the USA as the insurrection demonstrated.

Now there is a wave of anti-Asian extremism and violence sweeping America.

White extremists always need some minority to attack. According to white extremists you aren't an American patriot if you don't hate foreigners and minorities.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
The Trumpers and other white extremists are causing havoc and chaos in the USA as the insurrection demonstrated.

Now there is a wave of anti-Asian extremism and violence sweeping America.

White extremists always need some minority to attack. According to white extremists you aren't an American patriot if you don't hate foreigners and minorities.
Yeah that was really bad.

another simple case of firearms falling into the hands of fuckwits that should not have firearms and ill informed hatred
 

Shellandshilo1956

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This is how this all came to be on Jan 6th. This was never about terrorism. Or, a plot hatched out in secret by some foreign or domestic group/individual, to affect some political change. This was never about some clandestine antigovernment extremist group/individual whose goal was to overthrow the government. This was never about using fear and violence to leverage any political outcome. Does anyone seriously believe that around 800 people could bring down the entire government?? A terrorist would have just blown up the building, after expressing his/her demands. Does any rational person today think that Trump was robbed of the election?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d6e6ee-6cad-11eb-9ead-673168d5b874_story.html

There were many right wing conservative notables(Roger Stone, Alex Jones, Right-wing extremists groups, Trump and company, etc.), that turned a peaceful rally/protest of people wanting to hear the speakers, into a hateful mob violating their rally permits, and marching onto the Capitol Building.

If you want to call this act of civil unrest, an insurrection, a mutiny, a civil rebellion, an act of terrorism, an attempted coup, or a civil uprising, be my guest. There will always be a word or two in the original definition that will support any claim you want. Since, all words have formal, informal, and extended definitions, any arguments over semantics will only be a waste of time.

The organizing groups violated their permit by marching onto the Capitol Building. The protesters committed numerous criminal acts, and should be prosecuted for their actions. Did I fear that the entire US government was under any threat? Of course not! Did I feel terrorized by the actions of these protesters? Of course not! Did I think that their actions would lead to changing the voting outcome, or to the overthrow of the government? Of course not! We are seeing just how easy it is to control the actions of people, by just telling them exactly what they want to hear.

I don't think that I would compare 9/11, the US Embassy attacks in Africa, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Oklahoma city bombing, etc. with the siege at the Capitol building. Calling them all acts of terrorism is inaccurate, and a logical fallacy(false assumption, begging the question, false analogy and causality, etc.). IMHO.
 

johnsmith

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Or, a plot hatched out in secret by some foreign or domestic group/individual, to affect some political change.
It most certainly was a plot by a domestic group to affect political change.

Did I fear that the entire US government was under any threat?
Again, you're using their incompetence as an excuse. No one said they were the brightest insurrectionists. They went into the capital building with the intention of forcing congress to ignore the election results and announce trump the winner. THEY claimed they were starting a revolution.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It most certainly was a plot by a domestic group to affect political change.
If you mean right-wing domestic groups(Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Stop the Steal, White House executive leaders, etc.), right-wing media, and right-wing nut conservatives(Roger Stone, Trump, Alex Jones, Ali Alexander, etc.), then I agree with you. Did you know that Stone and Jones were paid by the the Trump administration, on Jan 3rd, to lead the demonstration? Did you also know that the protesters were told that Trump would not only be at the rally, but would lead and inspire them on their march to the Capital building? All lies by the instigators.

How do you plot against the results of an election procedure? What would you replace the election procedures with? The election procedures are State-run, NOT federally run. So, why are the protesters attacking the government? It would be like complaining to the NRL that your team lost the game, because the other team had clearly cheated. And, when asked for evidence, the best you have are hypotheticals and hearsay.

If you mean that there was a plot to change/ignore the election results, and to keep Trump in power until it could all be sorted out, then I also agree with you. But, unless you have the IQ of a rodent, you would know that there is zero chance of any plot to change the election results, or to take over the government, of being successful. Especially, when using fear, violence, 800 protesters, and absolutely no evidence to support your claim.

Again, you're using their incompetence as an excuse. No one said they were the brightest insurrectionists. They went into the capital building with the intention of forcing congress to ignore the election results and announce trump the winner. THEY claimed they were starting a revolution.
They can claim anything they like. And, from their perspective it is true and rational. But from an objective and rational perspective, they have Buckley's chance of winning a revolution, or in changing any voting outcomes. Please just read about the role right-wing government agitators/instigators/inciters had played in turning a peaceful demonstration into an enabled misguided mob. Just follow the money.

 
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johnsmith

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They can claim anything they like. And, from their perspective it is true and rational. But from an objective and rational perspective, they have Buckley's chance of winning a revolution, or in changing any voting outcomes.
Again, you're using their incompetence as an excuse. We all know that as far as insurrections go this was a terrible attempt at it. It was destined to fail before it even started. Nevertheless, an attewmpt at it was made.

How do you plot against the results of an election procedure? What would you replace the election procedures with? The election procedures are State-run, NOT federally run. So, why are the protesters attacking the government?
They stupidly thought they could force Pence to claim trump won the election and that would be enough. Again, no one is saying they were geniuses.
 

SethBullock

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Again, you're using their incompetence as an excuse. We all know that as far as insurrections go this was a terrible attempt at it. It was destined to fail before it even started. Nevertheless, an attewmpt at it was made.

They stupidly thought they could force Pence to claim trump won the election and that would be enough. Again, no one is saying they were geniuses.
John, when you storm the Capitol for a short time and then simply walk out and leave, this is not any sort of concerted, serious "revolution", "insurrection", or attempted overthrow of the government. It's not even "terrorism". Had they shot their way in, or bombed their way in, or created mass fatal casualties, I would agree that it was terrorism. Had they tried to hold the Capitol Building through force of arms, I could agree to calling it an "insurrection".

Even the most deluded among them, regardless of what ridiculous pronouncements they may have spewed, must have known that this was nothing more than a statement they wanted to make. As misguided and deluded as they may have been, they made their statement.

Then they simply left and went home.

This is verbal overreach and exaggeration, and these words are used for political reasons.

And the hypocrisy is blatant when the same people calling this "terrorism" are the same people who cannot bring themselves to say that setting an occupied condominium building - private, occupied residences - on fire is terrorism because the arsonists were claiming to be doing their deeds in the name of a cause those people support.

It seems consistency, independent thought, and intellectual honesty are rare these days.
 

johnsmith

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And the hypocrisy is blatant when the same people calling this "terrorism" are the same people who cannot bring themselves to say that setting an occupied condominium building - private, occupied residences - on fire is terrorism because the arsonists were claiming to be doing their deeds in the name of a cause those people support.
Do you call every act of arson terrorism or just this one?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Again, you're using their incompetence as an excuse. We all know that as far as insurrections go this was a terrible attempt at it. It was destined to fail before it even started. Nevertheless, an attewmpt at it was made.



They stupidly thought they could force Pence to claim trump won the election and that would be enough. Again, no one is saying they were geniuses.
John, I'm afraid that a "competent mob" is at best an oxymoron. I am claiming that the mob's competency(or incompetency), is absolutely irrelevant to the mob's goals. ANY attempt by this mob, competent or otherwise, would have failed. Are you actually suggesting, that a more competent mob could have forced Pence to lie about who won the election? Or, that a more competent mob could have actually taken control of the government, or could have changed some political discourse? I seriously doubt that any member of the mob, had any illusions of being successful. Hence why, they simply went home.

I can make an attempt to jump to the moon. Although by definition, this is still my attempt to reach the moon, it is not realistically an attempt at all, when weighed with the possibility of success(causality). This is why it is always a waste of time to argue over semantics and language.

In reality, these were just a bunch of disappointed "Trumpanzees" lured to DC, to hear their leader speak and inspire them. As well as to hear other like-minded celebrities, reinforce the idea that the election was rigged against their narcissistic leader. These White House agitators and right-wing-extremist, were paid to embolden the mob with the idea, that their actions could actually do something about it. That they could actually ignore the election results, and keep their leader in power. That they could even take control of the government by force and fear. Without these instigators/agitators, there would not have been a march on the Capitol Building. IMHO. This was certainly no act of civil insurrection, rebellion, revolution, coup, mutiny, or any act of terrorism. It was simply and act of civil obstruction/disorder/disobedience, fueled on by the lies of paid agitators and a sociopathic leader.

The only people who benefited from this event, were the news media, and the paid agitators. The news media will get its market share of the morally and existentially nihilistic television audience. The agitators will get another payday. The mindless pawns will get more than their "15 minutes of fame"(Andy Warhol). And, the rest of us will get an exaggerated and over-sensationalized version, of a small event in our political history. Not much has changed. The sheep are still sheep. And, the masters are still in control. Here are some of the mental giants, who have now a place in history.

 

Shellandshilo1956

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No. What I'm saying is that THEY thought so.
And, what I am saying is, that all acts of terrorism, insurrections, civil rebellions, mutinies, coups, or revolutions, are defined only by their actions, NOT by their thoughts. Therefore, their thoughts, beliefs, and their assertions, are all irrelevant.

There are many people who believe that on Jan. 6th, the American government was attacked, an insurrection had occurred, and the US capitol came under siege. Many had lost their lives valiantly defending the capitol. It was the Revolution to save Trump. But in the end, it failed. Of course this is only the media's editorialized/sensationalized version of the real events. Just like in the B movies.
 

johnsmith

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And, what I am saying is, that all acts of terrorism, insurrections, civil rebellions, mutinies, coups, or revolutions, are defined only by their actions, NOT by their thoughts.
And I say you're wrong. There are countless examples of people arrested and charged with terrorism charges despite having never acted on their plans, both here and in the USA




 

DreamRyderX

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And I say you're wrong. There are countless examples of people arrested and charged with terrorism charges despite having never acted on their plans, both here and in the USA




Simple, empty statements made by the so called "media", utilizing their traditional 'say nothing' 'unverified' style........ (not 'alleged' statements by the media, because you yourself provided the proof that they, the media, did say it) .......


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verb: allege; 3rd person present: alleges; past tense: alleged; past participle: alleged; gerund or present participle: alleging
claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof.

"he alleged that he had been assaulted"


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adjective: alleged; said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.

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hatty

cynical profane bastard
Shit Seth........ do you need it spelled out?

Call it like it happened ...... climbing walls like zombies, hanging nooses, smashing windows, beating cops is what you want?

it's on fucking video..........!!!!!!

play the old star spangled banner....... you lot are proud as punch while the world just laughs and laughs and laughs.

The footage says there was nothing "alleged" about it DRX..... rally every feeble cell in your brain and except it.
 
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