Renewable energy developments

[DonDeeHippy]

no, cars were here long before Henry Ford. All Ford did was work out mass production via the production line. Something that I think would have happened anyway

and Electric cars where around a long time before Tesla...Doesnt matter if it would happen anyway, Ford was first...

Telsa was never a salesman.

However he failed in business many times, either taken advantage or of failed dreams...Tesla was never on the radar until "Tesla" cars came around..People sort of knew he had something to do with electricity, most people still don't know even a brief history of his life...
Shit load of conspiracy theories though on repressed inventions....
do you know why it's ironic that a Tesla car uses battery power ?

 

[johnsmith]

However he failed in business many times, either taken advantage or of failed dreams...Tesla was never on the radar until "Tesla" cars came around..People sort of knew he had something to do with electricity, most people still don't know even a brief history of his life...
Shit load of conspiracy theories though on repressed inventions....
do you know why it's ironic that a Tesla car uses battery power ?

I've known about him long before the car came around.

I'm guessing the irony has something to do with AC/ DC power

 

[MilesAway]

Cars--> Planes--> The Great War, innit!???!

 

[Chuck]

You need to read more about Henry Ford....
he brought cars into the world and took over horses...
musk is doing the same thing with Electric Vehicals over internal combustion cars
He pretty well invented the production line and Musk loves increasing production, he is also chasing ford's timeline of 0 to 500,000 units per year in 10 years and is just on track.....(about 330,000 this year with 1 quarter to go, covid might break him though)
Henry also bought back the company after going public ,something Musk hasn't been able to do with Tesla but was successful with Space X.
Elon isn't a inventor but a innovator...He loves first principle, basically just because something is built a certain way doesn't make it right. Go back to the beginning and try again..
Tesla for all his brilliance and creation was never able to translate that to success. Died poor and unknown....
Musk most prized possession is a Model T ford.....(the very first mass produced item ever made)

What makes Musk different to both Ford and Tesla is he want's to make the world a better place and has a definite goal in mind and doing everything he can to get to it....It's not often you see a idealistic person successful...
I think he is closest to Gandhi.. If Gandhi had put his efforts into making the world better by making thing's then you would of had Musk... Even the offbeat humor is very much like the old guru...also he is not perfect, just like Gandhi .
When 1 person really puts their mind to making the world better it's amazing what can happen....

Ford solved a pollution that was god send at that time, but it ended up being a pollutant problem in the future.

There is lesson to be learnt from history.....as I mentioned a number off time.. hopefully the perceived solution is less damaging to the environment then what is replacing!

 

[MilesAway]

I compared him to Nicola tesla because both men changed the world for ever. Henry Ford just introduced a production line. I don't think he's even in the same league.

Production lines are everything! What else is economics?

 

[DonDeeHippy]

I've known about him long before the car came around.

I'm guessing the irony has something to do with AC/ DC power

yeah cars run on DC

 

[DonDeeHippy]

Tesla Breaks Another Record — This Time For Energy Storage Installations

Tesla has broken yet another record. This time it's for energy storage installations. Tesla's storage business deployed 750 MWh in Q3.

cleantechnica.com

Tesla has broken yet another record. This time it’s for energy storage installations. Tesla’s storage business deployed 750 MWh in Q3. Tesla noted in its Q3 earnings update that the production of its Megapack continued to ramp up at Gigafactory Nevada. Production volumes more than doubled in Q3 2020 compared to Q3 2019.

Tesla’s total solar deployments more than doubled in the third quarter versus the second quarter — to 57 MW. Solar Roof deployments have almost tripled.


Tesla also recently demonstrated a 1.5-day Solar Roof install. Installation time is one of the key areas of Tesla’s focus to accelerate the growth of this program.



For a size comparison, the SA Tesla battery is 125 MWH...
Average daily household use is 20 kwh a day.....
really a battery only needs to power during peak time at night though....working with solar and or wind, so a house hold needs about 10kwh during this time...
that's enough for 75,000 houses or 25,000 houses a month....



This is just one company and they are still held back by battery constraints....

 

[HBS Guy]

Definitely want two windmills, generate some power to go into the battery during the night and during the winter months—Tassie is pretty wet so lots of cloud cover in winter.

With panels and windmills, with open fireplace for heating and bottled gas for cooking be fairly energy independent, no huge electric bills. What is needed is a way of storing excess summer electricity production for use in winter—lights will be on for much longer in winter for example. More time spent indoors so more TV/computer etc use.

 

[MilesAway]

Definitely want two windmills, generate some power to go into the battery during the night and during the winter months—Tassie is pretty wet so lots of cloud cover in winter.

With panels and windmills, with open fireplace for heating and bottled gas for cooking be fairly energy independent, no huge electric bills. What is needed is a way of storing excess summer electricity production for use in winter—lights will be on for much longer in winter for example. More time spent indoors so more TV/computer etc use.

Pumped hydro????

 

[DonDeeHippy]

NSW is getting a 50MW Tesla Megapack Battery, costs $65M, to return $93 - $135m of savings - techAU

Using large-grid scale batteries is becoming increasingly common in Australia. Famously South Australia led the way with a 100MW/129MWh battery at the Hornsdale Power Reserve. At the time it was the largest battery in the world and in its first 2 years of operation, the project saved SA...

techau.com.au

NSW is getting a 50MW Tesla Megapack Battery, costs $65M, to return $93 – $135m of savings

It's also 75MWh of storage for 65 million , so would be less than a Billion Dollars (860 million) for 1GWh of storage about 10 times less than Pumped Hydro.......

 

[DonDeeHippy]

Tesla Megapacks to be used in Australia's upcoming giant 300MW battery farm

Tesla Megapacks will be powering Neoen’s upcoming 300MW energy storage project in Victoria, Australia, which will be one of the largest battery farms in the world when it’s complete. Neoen recently announced that it won a contract from the Victorian Government and the Australian Energy Market...

www.teslarati.com

Tesla Megapacks will be powering Neoen’s upcoming 300MW energy storage project in Victoria, Australia, which will be one of the largest battery farms in the world when it’s complete. Neoen recently announced that it won a contract from the Victorian Government and the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO). The Clean Energy Council (CEC), which includes Neoen, Tesla, and AusNet Services, stated that the Victorian Big Battery will be operational around Summer 2021-2022.
The Victorian Big Battery’s size will stand at 300MW/450MWh. For now, the contract signed by Neoen will be for 250MW worth of batteries comprised of 3MW Tesla Megapacks.


Now victoria getting in on the act... about time a State labor goverment did something, can't just leave all the renewables to SA and NSW........Looking at you QLD.....

 

[MilesAway]

NSW is getting a 50MW Tesla Megapack Battery, costs $65M, to return $93 - $135m of savings - techAU

Using large-grid scale batteries is becoming increasingly common in Australia. Famously South Australia led the way with a 100MW/129MWh battery at the Hornsdale Power Reserve. At the time it was the largest battery in the world and in its first 2 years of operation, the project saved SA...

techau.com.au

NSW is getting a 50MW Tesla Megapack Battery, costs $65M, to return $93 – $135m of savings

It's also 75MWh of storage for 65 million , so would be less than a Billion Dollars (860 million) for 1GWh of storage about 10 times less than Pumped Hydro.......

There must be some kind of disadvantage compared to hydro?

 

[DonDeeHippy]

There must be some kind of disadvantage compared to hydro?

nope and about 20 times cheaper, no environmental issue and MUCH much faster to install and instant power (no turbines to get going)....pumped hydro is just old tech and can't get cheaper......

 

[MilesAway]

nope and about 20 times cheaper, no environmental issue and MUCH much faster to install and instant power (no turbines to get going)....pumped hydro is just old tech and can't get cheaper......

Case closed then?

 

[DonDeeHippy]

Case closed then?

places like Tasmania that have enough rain to have true hydro it's worth it, but for pumped hydro, batteries are far cheaper and efficient

 

[DreamRyderX]

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Balderdash........Solar & Wind Power will do more harm, & cause more problems than the alarmists pretend they will resolve!!! ​

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[HBS Guy]

Wind and solar are cheaper than coal and oil. Coal is being pushed out of the way by RE.

 

[DreamRyderX]

Wind and solar are cheaper than coal and oil. Coal is being pushed out of the way by RE.

Wind & Solar, outside of Nuclear, are the only 2 players in the RE Market......And neither are environmentally friendly nor inexpensive to develop from raw materials to finished product. Maintenance on both are also extremely high. They also aren't really pushing out any of the Fossil fuel alternatives either.......How much of Australia's energy production has been efficiently replaced with Wind &/or Solar.....5%.....10%.....15% ......... How about the World? 5%....7% ??? Both are highly subsidized by the public (a government subsidy comes from the People's Pockets).....The People are already highly invested, subsidizing Wind & Solar heavily, for such a small take up (low percentage of the total energy market & going nowhere fast)......

 

[DonDeeHippy]

John Kerry expressed pride after being named as president-elect Joe Biden’s special envoy to confront climate change.
“America will soon have a government that treats the climate crisis as the urgent national security threat it is,” the former secretary of state said in a tweet.

“I’m proud to partner with the President-elect, our allies, and the young leaders of the climate movement to take on this crisis as the President’s Climate Envoy.”

As secretary of state, Kerry signed the Paris climate agreement, which Donald Trump backed out of shortly after taking office.

While campaigning for Biden’s presidential primary bid, Kerry warned Trump’s decision to withdraw from the agreement would cost American lives.

Looks like Biden might actually do something here.... The first couple of years will be fighting the Republican senate on reversing all the Trump anti policing policies he did to the EPA .... Hopefully he will get in a few New things as well.....

The thing that America truly effects the rest of the world looks to change for the better with Biden....Fingers Crossed...

 

[johnsmith]

And neither are environmentally friendly nor inexpensive to develop from raw materials to finished product.

a lot more envirnmentally friendly and less expensive, from raw materials to finished product, than coal fired electricity