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Minister for Aged **** SHOULD DISAPPEAR

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Ahh I admit when I'm wrong I falsely assumed Aged care was like hospitals and under State care...:truce

So that is it..? A white flag..??

Nothing else to say? I imagine this may cause you some need for some news ideas to percolate.

Look at this current govt with new eyes.. and realise..........
not sure what you want.....I also posted the stuff from question time and what the government are saying about the balls up's....
hopefully they fix the problems and it's not just swept under political jargon...
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Greg Hunt:

And adding to the prime minister’s answer, there’s four principle things which this government has done to assist, first, of course, is in relation to funding.

We have increased funding from just over $13 billion to tracking towards $25.44 billion over the course of the forward estimate, that’s allowed for additional home care places, additional support for residential care places, additional investment in aged care overall.

Secondly, of course, this prime minister became the first prime minister in Australian history, to the best of my knowledge, to have called a royal commission. Standing next to, on the day that he announced that royal commission, he warned of the challenges, he warned of the confronting elements.
He was the first person to have taken those steps precisely because he wished to shine a light from the challenges that flowed from the Oakden royal commission into public aged care in South Australia.


But which had lessons for all elements of aged care, public, not-for-profit, and private. In addition, we created the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission


... All of those things have come together, the funding, the royal commission, the aged care quality and safety commissioner and the national aged care mandatory program in the fight to protect, preserve standards and qualities.

yup good thing ScoMo agree's with you and was the first Prime minister ever to call for a royal commission into Aged Care...
I see they have been increasing funding as well.....
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
he cut back money that had being previously set aside for aged care ... that is not increasing funding no matter how much you polish that turd
 

johnsmith

Moderator
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A federal funding boost could give older Australians more access to home services that keep them out of aged care facilities, amid a political fight over Coalition spending cuts four years ago.

The Morrison government is planning to increase the number of home care packages available after more than doubling the scheme in recent years, while still facing a waiting list of about 100,000 places.

The budget plans come as Labor leader Anthony Albanese sets out eight demands for federal action to stop the spread of COVID-19 in aged care facilities, starting with a fix to chronic workforce shortages.

Targeting the federal government over aged care for the third day in a row, Mr Albanese used question time on Wednesday to blame the government for cutting $1.7 billion from aged care and weakening the sector before the pandemic.

The Labor attack was based on budget papers showing "savings" of $472.4 million in December 2015 and "efficiencies" of $1.2 billion in May 2016 from changes to the aged care funding instrument used to pay providers.


While the savings were clearly spelt out in the budget papers, Mr Morrison denied the Labor claim on the grounds that overall spending on aged care had continued to rise by $1 billion each year, allowing a rapid increase in home care packages among other measures.
Mr Morrison said the government had spent $3 billion since the May 2018 federal budget on home care packages and was spending $5.3 billion over the next two years on home support services.
"That's not to say there have not been failings -- of course there have," Mr Morrison told Parliament.

Health Minister Greg Hunt said the federal outlays on aged care had been worth $13 billion when the Coalition came to power but were almost $22 billion this year and would rise about $1 billion each year over the next four years.
Mr Hunt said the number of home care packages had risen from 60,000 to 164,000 over the course of this budget, an increase of 150 per cent.
Home care packages allow older Australians to receive services in their own homes and delay any move into residential facilities, an increasingly important objective when the pandemic has heightened risks in aged care homes.

Federal sources have told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age the government is working on further plans for home care, after adding 6100 places last month at a cost of $326 million.

Labor aged care spokesman Julie Collins called the last increase inadequate when about 30,000 people had died while being on the waiting list for the packages.
The opposition intensified pressure on Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck on Wednesday, with Labor foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong calling him "incompetent" and saying she would not trust him with the care of her parents.

Mr Albanese will use a speech to the National Press Club on Thursday to call for government action in eight areas to save lives in aged care during the pandemic and fix systemic problems.
"Presiding over it all is a government that is failing to protect older Australians," he says in a draft of the speech.

The Labor proposals include minimum staffing levels in residential aged care in order to increase the number of nurses and other staff.
The second demand is to reduce the waiting list for home care packages.

The Labor leader will also call on the government to act on a proposal from the aged care royal commission to develop independent measurement and public reporting to identify flaws in the system, as is done in other countries.
He will also call for changes to ensure accountability of funding, ensure every residential aged care facility has adequate personal protective equipment, provide better training on infection control, offer a better surge workforce and provide additional resources to the aged care royal commission.

Mr Albanese will criticise the fact that the age pension is not due to rise next month, given it is indexed to inflation, although Mr Morrison has signalled there could be other help in the October budget to make up for this.
Mr Albanese will also take aim at the government for considering Liberal calls to halt an increase in the superannuation guarantee levy from 9.5 to 12 per cent over the next five years, a legislated policy that requires employers to pay more into workers' retirement accounts.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-as-labor-slams-old-cuts-20200826-p55pmg.html

See the red highlighted section
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
They are playing a desperate game of Catch-Up, when it SO ISN"T a game of economics and numbers, it is people's lives lost.....
I well rember the state I found my mother in , one day, when I managed to see her when they didn't know I was coming.

In the TOP CLASS/END/REP in the whole North Central Region of Victoria..? .......................... I will never forget it....and THAT was 10 fucking years ago. Thankfully, she died not long after.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Cut aged care etc etc to finance tax cuts for those already fabulously rich: neoliberalism. It costs lives, deprivation and destroys economies.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
I bet these bastards don't expect to be treated that way.

It is so disgusting .. they should all be well-funded NFP organisations, with vigilant auditing.
Makes me sick.. the suffering is incalculable AND so unnecessary.

Sadists must love working in aged care homes................
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
overall spending on aged care had continued to rise by $1 billion each year, allowing a rapid increase in home care packages among other measures.

yes did you see ScMo's answer.....one section was streamlined and the entire Aged care section the libs Have increased spending... you still haven't shown where the Libs reduced the budget for aged care....
I see when Labor where in power they spent 13 Billion a year and now the Libs are spending 22 Billion a year....how in anyway can that be cutting spending ???


Health Minister Greg Hunt said the federal outlays on aged care had been worth $13 billion when the Coalition came to power but were almost $22 billion this year and would rise about $1 billion each year over the next four years.

Mr Hunt said the number of home care packages had risen from 60,000 to 164,000 over the course of this budget, an increase of 150 per cent.



this is a much better article explaining it all from the ABC
 
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DonDeeHippy

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They are playing a desperate game of Catch-Up, when it SO ISN"T a game of economics and numbers, it is people's lives lost.....
I well rember the state I found my mother in , one day, when I managed to see her when they didn't know I was coming.

In the TOP CLASS/END/REP in the whole North Central Region of Victoria..? .......................... I will never forget it....and THAT was 10 fucking years ago. Thankfully, she died not long after.
yes that is sad and when ScoMo got into power he called for a Royal Commission and the Libs have almost doubled yearly funding to aged care for the year, since they came into power....It's a shame Labor hadn't done that 10 years ago....
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
I bet these bastards don't expect to be treated that way.

It is so disgusting .. they should all be well-funded NFP organisations, with vigilant auditing.
Makes me sick.. the suffering is incalculable AND so unnecessary.

Sadists must love working in aged care homes................
it's a shame that the opposition isn't promoting NFP running of Aged care instead he is trying to nit pick little parts.... I suppose though if he went to hard people might look at their part in all this....

Albanese blames for-profit aged care amid Covid 'tragedy' but declines to say Labor would end it
But asked whether Labor would end for-profit aged care, Albanese said Labor would form its policy for the sector once the royal commission finished its deliberations.

He is a wimp !!!!!!
 
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DonDeeHippy

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If you really want to see who cares about aged care just look at the yearly budgets....
Current government has gone from 13 billion to 23 billion over 7 years
Labor went from 10 billion to 13 billion over 7 years
Howard 3 billion to 10 billion over 10 years...
 

johnsmith

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Staff member
this is a much better article explaining it all from the ABC

the problem with looking at the 'total' budget figure is that it doesn't mean didly swat. How much of that extra went into the pockets of Mp's and their donors? It's like the total budget figure on spending on aboriginals .... when you look closer at the deatils the money goes to everything but aboriginals
 

DonDeeHippy

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the problem with looking at the 'total' budget figure is that it doesn't mean didly swat. How much of that extra went into the pockets of Mp's and their donors? It's like the total budget figure on spending on aboriginals .... when you look closer at the deatils the money goes to everything but aboriginals
Ha you can only look at the whole budget when you say they cut funding... now trying to change the goal posts and blame corrupt officials... Just admit you where wrong it's not that hard, they did not cut funding they have increased it....



ALba sneezy tried to make it look like the Libs had cut the Aged care Budget. When in reality they just took Aged care providers to task when they where billing for stuff they shouldn't, the money saved was a good thing... Sneezy tried to make it sound bad....
He attacked ScoMo for not changing Aged care, then when asked what he thought on how to fix it, said he would wait until the royal commission.... So he wants ScoMo to change things before the Royal commission is over but wont even share a opinion until the royal commission is done...
He is a dead wet fish.......
 
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johnsmith

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Ha you can only look at the whole budget when you say they cut funding... now trying to change the goal posts and blame corrupt officials... Just admit you where wrong it's not that hard, they did not cut funding they have increased it....



ALba sneezy tried to make it look like the Libs had cut the Aged care Budget. When in reality they just took Aged care providers to task when they where billing for stuff they shouldn't, the money saved was a good thing... Sneezy tried to make it sound bad....
He attacked ScoMo for not changing Aged care, then when asked what he thought on how to fix it, said he would wait until the royal commission.... So he wants ScoMo to change things before the Royal commission is over but wont even share a opinion until the royal commission is done...
He is a dead wet fish.......

nah ... they cut funding from essential services under the guise of 'efficiency measures, something that is not in dispute and clearly set out in the budget papers, and put it into their own pockets. Extra funding to the aged? 100% of sweet fuck all.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Well obviously he would want to wait for the results... You need data to find the necessary actions to produce change...

It should be fully evaluated and hopefully.. it may lead to a better outcome for the Aged. Of course all measures should be taken in the meantime to care more successfully than we have to date.
Politics is just lies and BS, when talkfests promote these jerks egos, and wow.. what actions have been taken.. ?? Before Covid-19 appeared ?? And since.??
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Seriously, ? all this blame game of who did what when ..is just a waste of effort.

That is the PAST. It all passed us by.. Bye bye.

And all this on-going sledging is too close to what I've heard from the liar the runs the US. Not worth a pinch of bulldust.!

Time for some cohesion.. not this mish-mash of cabals .. Why were the fed Labor Party excluded from the Table on the whole disaster.. ? very partisan behavior on the part of the govt..

Time to work together, and be INCLUSIVE..
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
But I still think that pathetic excuse for a Minister for the Aged should be shot.!! Well you get the idea.
Where DOES the buck stop.?
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
nah ... they cut funding from essential services under the guise of 'efficiency measures, something that is not in dispute and clearly set out in the budget papers, and put it into their own pockets. Extra funding to the aged? 100% of sweet fuck all.
so where is your proof they put the extra money in their own pockets.... sounds a bit lame.......

In making his claim, Mr Shorten specifically referred to Mr Morrison's first budget as treasurer, which was for 2016-17. As previously mentioned, that year the government announced $1.2 billion of "efficiencies" (partly offset by more money in the budget for regional aged care and information services).

That announcement followed a $2.5 billion increase in the expected cost of the Aged Care Funding Instrument (ACFI), the main Commonwealth funding mechanism to subsidise aged care service providers, since the budget update just six months earlier.

According to Budget Paper No. 2 (page 101): "This measure is part of the Government's response to the continued higher than expected growth in ACFI expenditure, which has increased by a further $2.5 billion over the forward estimates since the 2015-16 MYEFO [mid-year economic and fiscal outlook]."

Despite these "efficiency" measures, total aged care spending in the 2016-17 budget increased by $1.1 billion in nominal terms, compared to the previous year.


your wrong..Labor has never cut the budget for Aged care.......
 
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DonDeeHippy

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Well obviously he would want to wait for the results... You need data to find the necessary actions to produce change...

It should be fully evaluated and hopefully.. it may lead to a better outcome for the Aged. Of course all measures should be taken in the meantime to care more successfully than we have to date.
Politics is just lies and BS, when talkfests promote these jerks egos, and wow.. what actions have been taken.. ?? Before Covid-19 appeared ?? And since.??
Exactly and that's why ScoMo instigated a royal commission to sort it out...
Albasneezey calling for changes before the Commission is over is not helping anything, especially his credibility....
 
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