Lock him up ... Donald Trump is impeached
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greggerypeccary
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Yay! 
:grnSquire said:
All Republicans voted "No", and none of them did not vote.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roll-call-how-members-of-congress-voted-on-the-impeachment-of-president-trump-today-2019-12-18/
Several Democrats voted "No", and one Democrat voted "Present".
That is no landslide. That is a purely partisan vote, except for the few Democrats who didn't vote for it.
And now the Speaker of the House can't even say she'll send the Articles to the Senate.
LMAO! :rofl
LMAO! :rofl
Now for the Senate.
Like here, the US is too partisan like preventing Obama from appointing a Supreme Court judge. That sucked, dirty bloody politics! The impeachment hearings will be the same. However, that not all Repugs voted could be a pointer to the impeachment hearings maybe not as smooth and easy for the douchebag as people thought?
I dunno. It was always going to be politics as usual by dirty players so I have taken no interest in it.
Like here, the US is too partisan like preventing Obama from appointing a Supreme Court judge. That sucked, dirty bloody politics! The impeachment hearings will be the same. However, that not all Repugs voted could be a pointer to the impeachment hearings maybe not as smooth and easy for the douchebag as people thought?
I dunno. It was always going to be politics as usual by dirty players so I have taken no interest in it.
This rumor that some Republicans didn't vote is false. They all voted, and they all voted "No", along with a few Democrats.HBS Guy said:
Frankly, Monk, neither have I. This has been all so predictable that I just haven't cared about it. I've only lightly followed the news on it up until today. For me, the only drama was wondering how many Democrats would vote against impeachment. It turned out to be 2 on one count and 3 on the other, with one more voting "Present" on both. But the overall vote was a forgone conclusion months ago, and so all the hoopla and lead-up to it has bored me.HBS Guy said:
If the Articles are sent to the Senate, that outcome is also a foregone conclusion. So I just want them to get it over with as soon as possible and let the voters make their decision in 11 months.
Seth
greggerypeccary
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The voters made their decision in 2016, but they didn't get what they voted for.SethBullock said:
I'm talking about the voting public, not the Electoral College, so don't come back with the usual "that's the way the system works" bullshit".
In November 2016 the voters quite clearly decided that they wanted Hillary Clinton as their President.
She received 3,000,000 more votes than the alleged child rapist, so it wasn't even close.
Yes, let the voters make their decision in 11 months, but will they actually get what they vote for?
greggerypeccary
Active member
Yes, we all do.HBS Guy said:
Still quite interesting though that even being one of the most unpopular candidates ever, she still beat the alleged child rapist in the popular vote.
That officially makes the alleged wife beater THE most unpopular candidate ever.
The most unpopular candidate to ever run for the presidency, slaughtered in the popular vote, and he still ends up in the White House.
And Seth likes to talk about America's "democracy"
DreamRyderX
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greggerypeccary said:
Could be the cause of your dismay might simply be that you, like so many others, are Constitutionally illiterate, errantly believing that the USA is a Democracy, where a majority vote determines who wins a Presidential Election. Tough titty when ya gotta chew the milk fella!!
You couldn't be more wrong about the USA chump......the USA has never been, & hopefully will never ever be a Democracy.
The USA is a Constitutional Republic.....always has been since the American Founding Fathers decided it to be back in the late 18th century. They despised Democracy.
America may utilize a few Democratic Principals here & there, but in the end the rules/laws for it's Government depends totally on American Constitutional Law.....Yep, the United States Constitution, specifically Article II Section I which details how the US President is elected....elected by Presidential Electors, not determined by the majority popular vote as Gweggy fantasizes how it should be determined.......for 200+ years US Presidents have not been elected Democratically, but by a set of Chosen Electors determined by a clearly defined process outlined in law.......
Chew my shorts Gweggy........Fuck Democracy.........your krusty krotched bitch got beaten fair & square........give me the Presidential Electoral Collage any day over a Majority Popular Vote!!
DreamRyderX
Active member
Awwww john, don't tell me you'll run off kickin' & screamin too, all sortsa butt-hurt when President Trump gets acquitted by the US Senate....to remain the US President, & all the demon-RAT hoopla was for naught.johnsmith said:even fox' news viewers, who are mostly staunch republicans, think thrumpy is guilty
pinkeye
Wonder woman
Totally. The USA is not a democracy.DreamRyderX said:greggerypeccary said:
Could be the cause of your dismay might simply be that you, like so many others, are Constitutionally illiterate, errantly believing that the USA is a Democracy, where a majority vote determines who wins a Presidential Election. Tough titty when ya gotta chew the milk fella!!
You couldn't be more wrong about the USA chump......the USA has never been, & hopefully will never ever be a Democracy.
The USA is a Constitutional Republic.....always has been since the American Founding Fathers decided it to be back in the late 18th century. They despised Democracy.
America may utilize a few Democratic Principals here & there, but in the end the rules/laws for it's Government depends totally on American Constitutional Law.....Yep, the United States Constitution, specifically Article II Section I which details how the US President is elected....elected by Presidential Electors, not determined by the majority popular vote as Gweggy fantasizes how it should be determined.......for 200+ years US Presidents have not been elected Democratically, but by a set of Chosen Electors determined by a clearly defined process outlined in law.......
Chew my shorts Gweggy........Fuck Democracy......XXXXXXXXX......give me the Presidential Electoral Collage any day over a Majority Popular Vote!!
I'd ask anybody out there to name me a real democracy.
A View From a Democrat I Admire
I have been paying attention to Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, (D-HI) since 2016. She is what we here in the states call a "progressive liberal", which is just the opposite of what you Aussies know as a "liberal". She supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election. Tulsi is also a Major in the Hawaii National Guard, and she is an Iraq war veteran. She identifies Al Qaeda as our enemy, but she has been strongly and consistently against wars of choice, wars she calls "regime change wars".
I strongly agree with her on these useless, costly wars.
She is a class act in every way.
She has also demonstrated her independence before, bucking the Democratic machine, and now she has done it again. She is the House member who voted "Present" on both impeachment charges. Here is her statement on her vote ...
Washington, DC -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D, Hawaii) today released the following statement today on her vote regarding the impeachment of President Trump:
Throughout my life, whether through serving in the military or in Congress, I’ve always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country. Not what’s best for me politically or what’s best for my political party. I have always put our country first. One may not always agree with my decision, but everyone should know that I will always do what I believe to be right for the country that I love.
After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no.
I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.
I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country. When I cast my vote in support of the impeachment inquiry nearly three months ago, I said that in order to maintain the integrity of this solemn undertaking, it must not be a partisan endeavor. Tragically, that’s what it has been.
On the one side — The president’s defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was “perfect.” They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their party’s leader.
On the other side — The president’s opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.
The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”
Donald Trump has violated public trust. Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the president’s misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy. To this end, I have introduced a censure resolution that will send a strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide.
I am confident that the American people will decide to deliver a resounding rebuke of President Trump’s innumerable improprieties and abuses. And they will express that judgment at the ballot box. That is the way real and lasting change has always occurred in this great country: through the forcefully expressed will of the people.
A house divided cannot stand. And today we are divided. Fragmentation and polarity are ripping our country apart. This breaks my heart, and breaks the hearts of all patriotic Americans, whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.
So today, I come before you to make a stand for the center, to appeal to all of you to bridge our differences and stand up for the American people.
My vote today is a vote for much needed reconciliation and hope that together we can heal our country. Let’s work side-by-side, seeking common ground, to usher in a bright future for the American people and our nation.
I have been paying attention to Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, (D-HI) since 2016. She is what we here in the states call a "progressive liberal", which is just the opposite of what you Aussies know as a "liberal". She supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election. Tulsi is also a Major in the Hawaii National Guard, and she is an Iraq war veteran. She identifies Al Qaeda as our enemy, but she has been strongly and consistently against wars of choice, wars she calls "regime change wars".
I strongly agree with her on these useless, costly wars.
She is a class act in every way.
She has also demonstrated her independence before, bucking the Democratic machine, and now she has done it again. She is the House member who voted "Present" on both impeachment charges. Here is her statement on her vote ...
Washington, DC -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D, Hawaii) today released the following statement today on her vote regarding the impeachment of President Trump:
Throughout my life, whether through serving in the military or in Congress, I’ve always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country. Not what’s best for me politically or what’s best for my political party. I have always put our country first. One may not always agree with my decision, but everyone should know that I will always do what I believe to be right for the country that I love.
After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no.
I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.
I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country. When I cast my vote in support of the impeachment inquiry nearly three months ago, I said that in order to maintain the integrity of this solemn undertaking, it must not be a partisan endeavor. Tragically, that’s what it has been.
On the one side — The president’s defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was “perfect.” They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their party’s leader.
On the other side — The president’s opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.
The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”
Donald Trump has violated public trust. Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the president’s misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy. To this end, I have introduced a censure resolution that will send a strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide.
I am confident that the American people will decide to deliver a resounding rebuke of President Trump’s innumerable improprieties and abuses. And they will express that judgment at the ballot box. That is the way real and lasting change has always occurred in this great country: through the forcefully expressed will of the people.
A house divided cannot stand. And today we are divided. Fragmentation and polarity are ripping our country apart. This breaks my heart, and breaks the hearts of all patriotic Americans, whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.
So today, I come before you to make a stand for the center, to appeal to all of you to bridge our differences and stand up for the American people.
My vote today is a vote for much needed reconciliation and hope that together we can heal our country. Let’s work side-by-side, seeking common ground, to usher in a bright future for the American people and our nation.
The only thing bipartisan about the vote was the vote against impeachment.johnsmith said:
MilesAway
Bongalong
It is, however, reality that pinkeye is an idiot!pinkeye said:johnsmith said:
Me either.
It is , it seems , a foregone conclusion that Trump will remain in Office.
Seems irrelevant that he is a criminal and a traitor.
Go figure.ike
Umm I don't actually understand how that is either logical, or smart.
