Labor Going backwards on Renewables....

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Too soon. Governments do not work fast:

Request for Proposals for Tender

Request for Tenders—at least a year or two after the initial request

Manufacturing and installation

All takes time.

If the Libs had said close the coal fired plants in 10 years it would be realistic.
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
In four years time..... yes... maybe read the proposals...... stop being typical labor and just going the opposite of what the libs are trying to do and support what is good for us and the land....
going opposite? I asked a question :stoopid.. stop pretending it's a great plan just because its the libs.

in four years? it has to do until the renewables are up and running.. if that's a ten year plan then it has to take up the slack for that period of time.

I was also reading that one of the generators they plan on taking offline happens to be the newest one ... only commissioned in 1999. ... WTF?
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Can the other plants produce enough power to take up the void left behind by shutting down those two?

This entails the shut-down or retrofit of three coal-fired power stations and 14 gas-fired power stations within ten years’ time, assuming biogas is excluded. That’s 1.5 gigawatts of coal and 3.3 gigawatts of gas. 100% renewables by 2030 requires a hastening of the change currently occurring in the SWIS, and a maintenance of that pace for a decade:
Some coal was scheduled to close within that time period anyway, but most power stations, particularly gas, are scheduled to retire well after.
The only information about balancing mechanisms for the new wind and solar are a $500m 330kV transmission line and a 500 megawatt battery, both built by Western Power. It’ll be complicated, but it all seems pretty feasible. The strangeness simply comes from the level of ambition – a high level of work, planning and government intervention will be required to achieve a zero emissions WA grid by 2030, and setting a target like this is significant.

In fact, the plan even specifically cites the impact of renewable energy on electricity bills, with an unambiguous declaration that renewables are far cheaper than coal, declaring that the Liberals “will deliver a dramatic reduction in energy prices” due to renewable energy growth. It’s a stark departure from the party’s past reasoning.

Labor minister Mick Murray
“We [Labor] also have a promise that we’ll have a power station into the next 15 years, not exactly as we have it now, but we’ll have coal being produced in this town for the next 15 years,” he said.




New Energy Jobs Plan will deliver net zero emissions for the WA Government by 2030, an important milestone on Australia’s path of zero emissions by 2050.
“I want to make it perfectly clear that this will not impact the private sector. This is about the State Government’s emissions and leading by example,” Mr Kirkup said.


Reneweconomy which is a great site and the one I turn to to see if things are feasible think the WA proposal is doable , however both parties fail to address overall emissions and needs more work...

One of two the power stations are due to be closed next year anyway so one power station being closed early in 5 years time is entirely feasible... Remember this is ONLY government Generation not the Private sector , so around 50% of power wont be touched in WA......

What I find amazing is the scare tactics being used by the Labor party and the mirroring of fear when SA decided to go green....
WA Labor want coal to be mined and burnt for the next 15 years...... That is the reality......
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
So 10 years to close the coal plants, just like we said. How long will the gas plants keep going for?
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
So 10 years to close the coal plants, just like we said. How long will the gas plants keep going for?
what ? 4 years to close one coal plant early Mr Monk........that is the proposal. 10 years to get rid of Fossil fuels all together just for Government owned generation.......
Green Labor want to burn coal for the next 15 years though... I guess your fine with that because Labor is doing it.......
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
You were saying two yesterday, now it is one and that scheduled for closing anyway. The rest will take at least 10 years like I said.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
So 10 years to close the coal plants, just like we said. How long will the gas plants keep going for?
You were saying two yesterday, now it is one and that scheduled for closing anyway. The rest will take at least 10 years like I said.
no 2 in 4 years, one is already scheduled for next year and the other will be early....

4 years no coal power in WA ........ 10 years to get rid of Gas as well....by public owned generators

This doesn't effect all the Private owned fossil fueled generation......

Labor want the Coal to keep going for the next 15 years......
Using every fear tactic against Renewables they can dredge up.......
 
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DonDeeHippy

Active member
only commissioned in 1999. ... WTF?
SO if it's shut in 2025 it will be 26 years old..... Plenty of use for old killing technology wouldn't you say ?
Also it's not a big plant max capacity 340MWh , so it they really fire it up to 50% cap then 170MWh...



This is a existing Wind farm in WA it's 222mw and has for the last 9 years averaged 75MWH it took 18 months to build with old 2 MW wind towers....

The best Wind turbine at the moment is 13 MW, land is 10MW... so they have 4 years to make a wind farm with less towers than this one...... Very Feasible....
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
WA goverment only own 2 coal stations ,one is ready to be decommissioned next year anyway and the other after 26 years of use......the second one isnt even that big.......
the article i read was about the long term plan for energy in WA ... not just the governments plan
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
the article i read was about the long term plan for energy in WA ... not just the governments plan
ahh do you remember the article... be interesting to read, very hard to find stuff about WA for some reason, maybe my Google imagination isn't up to scratch.....
 
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