Electric Vehicles this week

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
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Yeah, me too, keep me pennies for my house. Love to buy an EV but needs to be a mass market model.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
yup in Australia the only good EV that's not a luxury vehical is the Hyundai but it's double the price of it's petrol counterpart. Tesla do well on price as luxury cars and are the same price as other equivilent luxury vehicals like BMW and Merc ,Audi, but that inst any good for us normal's...
Having said that the cost of 5 years of ownership of a EV now is cheaper than most ICE vehicles with lower running costs and really good resale value... Tesla for instance have ruined Luxury ICE vehicle resale value's almost making them unsellable...
In the USA the bottom on the range Tesla is cheaper than the Toyota corolla for 5 years of ownership for instance..
 

DonDeeHippy

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Tesla today posted its 4th quarter of making a profit in a row, considering their main factory was locked down for half of the quarter from Covid it really is a good result, now no one can say they don’t make a profit, also thair stock is around $1800 usd atm so they are worth more than Toyota, volt wagons and Honda combined you can probably throw ford into thair as well and General Motors.. go Tesla taking down all the poisoning car makers and fossil fuel companies...
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
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Some still think hydrogen will be the fuel of the future—intelligent, educated people I mean, engineers not silly old Juliar!

Dunno: have to create, store and distribute hydrogen. Can’t see it.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Some still think hydrogen will be the fuel of the future—intelligent, educated people I mean, engineers not silly old Juliar!

Dunno: have to create, store and distribute hydrogen. Can’t see it.
hydrogen is the fuel of the future... and always will be....
Yup Hydrogen is a waste of time with passenger vehicles, physics just wont let hydrogen ever be a competitor against batteries....
 

DonDeeHippy

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Quicker to refill a hydrogen tank I suppose.
In the near future and even now, the time is takes to charge a battery is becoming a mute point...
If you have a Electric car with 800km's of Range (current Model S has that ) and you can charge it at 250 Amps then it takes 6 minutes to charge another 200KM's so 1000km's of range with a 6 minute stop.
Current Hydrogen vehicles have 500km range and take 10 minutes to recharge, then at the end of the day or next morning you would need to refill again.. Where a Battery EV you can charge overnight while you sleep...

Also if there is power you can install a Car charger.....
Hydrogen refill stations cost more than 1 million dollars per bowser and can refill about 20 cars a day.....(about 10,000km's of driving) they need time after a use to cool down again and cannot be used for awhile...
Then you have the cost of a truck delivering new hydrogen every day...

A $10,000 dollar charger can be installed in a day anywhere there is electricity with enough power to propel modern cars about 50,000 km a day.....

The big thing is batteries will continue to get longer range and faster charge time, Hydrogen is very stuck with physic's mainly because of the enormous pressures needed to make the hydrogen usable (10,000 psi) .
Also it take 4-5 times the electricity to make enough hydrogen to go a set distance than recharging a battery. Then the efficiency gets worse every time you need to move the Hydrogen because of the high pressures, it needs to be depressurized then re pressurized .....

Also currently it's over 10 times the price...

The other problem with a fuel cell vehicle is that it is a hybrid, the fuel cell cannot produce enough current to be usable so it is basically a electric vehicle with a hydrogen fuel cell added (just a smaller battery), so many more parts to break and of course costs more, the average Battery EV has 80% less moving parts that a Normal car, not so with a fuel cell one...

Hydrogen is also very corrosive and the fuel cell will need replacing after a few years and probably the tank as well, Batteries are being constantly improved ,some Tesla's now have gone 800,000km's on a single battery and still going, there are 100's now that have passed 500,000 km's .
 
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MilesAway

Bongalong
Some still think hydrogen will be the fuel of the future—intelligent, educated people I mean, engineers not silly old Juliar!

Dunno: have to create, store and distribute hydrogen. Can’t see it.
So, which side of the Hydrogen fence are you sitting on ?
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
I don’t think hydrogen has much future. I think fossil fuel interests are pushing it because you need energy to make hydrogen.
and at the moment most hydrogen is made from Fossil Fuels, keep people refilling, the worse invention ever, solar and wind....
 
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MilesAway

Bongalong
for those in the Fossil Fuel Industry, Solar Panels and Wind farms are the worse inventions ever..... Once you buy them there are little to none ongoing costs....
Hydrogen though will be same old same old...
Yeh man, just asking for clarification but I suppose I'm also guilty of the same thing at times🤾
 

DonDeeHippy

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Tesla Shares hit $2000 US dollars that makes them worth 370 billion dollars, the next car company is Toyota worth 187 Billion, Tesla shares just keep going up as investors realize just how much this company is disrupting multiple industries...
They are doubling the size of their China Factory , starting the framework in their German factory and earth work on their Texas Factory....
I noticed yesterday they are concentrating making more battery packs for houses as they now have over a 6 month backload, Just got contracts for some huge large scale batteries as well...They now also are selling and renting the cheapest solar panel systems in the USA.
Next month they wil be presenting a "battery day" and much speculation on what that will be, they are already years in front of every other company this presentation looks like it will just make them further ahead....

Don't hear much about them going bankrupt lately......
 

DonDeeHippy

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There are now 15 countries with over 5% EV's on new sales, Norway the leader is around 70%, Australia doesn't even have emision controls, so all the vehicals that can't be sold anywhere else in the world are being dumped here.....

The bottom line is the quicker we have EV's the less we rely on Oil from other countries, we only have 1 fortnight of fuel stocked in Australia...
 
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