Covid-19 Revisit

Shellandshilo1956

Active member

10 new cases in Queensland. Of course we just leave out the ages of those infected, or the number of those who have died, and the number of those who will recover. Just tell the sheep to start wearing masks wherever they go(none worn by this moron), or to stay locked up in their homes for 3 days. This simple-minded bitch, only cares about exercising her power to create human hardships, and NOT about the health of the people. She, and her cronies will never get my vote again.

As I've said before, because of our indifference and ignorance, we have enabled this government to control our lives directly. Now they can openly intrude in our lives, whenever even one coronavirus case exists(or for any other medical reason they want). Thanks to the sheep!

The next step is to force vaccinations on those who are still refusing to be vaccinated. Eventually, all those refusing vaccinations, will be given two choices. Download locator apps, or get vaccinated. If not, you will be fined or arrested.

If the government is so concerned with the public's health, then it should ban alcohol, glucose, tobacco, and MSG immediately. I guess the billions in government coffers, is worth more than the millions of lives lost, and families destroyed because of these drugs. Pure hypocrisy!!
 

mothra

Administrator
Staff member

10 new cases in Queensland. Of course we just leave out the ages of those infected, or the number of those who have died, and the number of those who will recover. Just tell the sheep to start wearing masks wherever they go(none worn by this moron), or to stay locked up in their homes for 3 days. This simple-minded bitch, only cares about exercising her power to create human hardships, and NOT about the health of the people. She, and her cronies will never get my vote again.

As I've said before, because of our indifference and ignorance, we have enabled this government to control our lives directly. Now they can openly intrude in our lives, whenever even one coronavirus case exists(or for any other medical reason they want). Thanks to the sheep!

The next step is to force vaccinations on those who are still refusing to be vaccinated. Eventually, all those refusing vaccinations, will be given two choices. Download locator apps, or get vaccinated. If not, you will be fined or arrested.

If the government is so concerned with the public's health, then it should ban alcohol, glucose, tobacco, and MSG immediately. I guess the billions in government coffers, is worth more than the millions of lives lost, and families destroyed because of these drugs. Pure hypocrisy!!

Funny. On other matters, you seem so sensible.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
and yet Mothra I agree with him...

not about lockdowns, but about how it is our very own immune system that plays the biggest role in dealing with attacks from bacteria and virus, etc.

I have a particular understanding of this... your immune system can do amazing things.... personally I don't have flu shots , or anything else, other than Tetanus.. I trust my body.

I very rarely use anti-biotics... the last time was for a case of a flare-up of periodontal disease...

Mostly my immune system is MAG, and I don't interfere with it unless I am seriously unwell. Which isn't very often at all.
I'm really disgustingly healthy, although I have a chronic disease, according to my GP. Something I lived with, and eventually defeated, purely by the action of my immune system. But I do have Fatty Liver disease.

See I got Hepatitis B when I was 16. I allowed my blood to be taken, whilst in the Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital. for research purposes,. which closed many years ago
Turns out I also had Hep C .. but that was before it was even known of.

25 yrs later I participated in a Study.. by a very reputable Medical Research Team. Based on my blood samples from 25 yrs ago.!!
Was interesting to hear their conclusions....

So
I finally got a decent GP.. YES.. a woman.. who asked me if I'd had any checks lately . No.. not for decades...

So we did an RNA test ... Seems I have no virus now present .. my Immune system had basically stepped up and destroyed the virus... that is RARE.
Like only 10 % of people can fend off this virus, and mine got rid of BOTH.!!

I still have to accept that my liver has damage.. and I shouldn't drink.. !! But I do.
Sigh.

So I'm not rushing out for the vaccine.....
I agree with Shell about how it all works.. internally... but I do not agree with his opinions on societal responses to the pandemic .
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Funny. On other matters, you seem so sensible.

I'd like to think that this is more about commonsense than about sensibility. But, in what way am I being less sensible? Should I simply agree that forcing 26M people to keep 2 meters apart is a rational and practical solution? Should I simply agree that uninfected people wearing masks, will be protected from becoming infected? Or, should I simply agree that we should sacrifice everything(including our privacy, personal freedoms, means of support, business industries, etc.), just to combat a disease that effects 0.1% of the population, and is 3-4% fatal? Do you know how many diseases and illnesses are much worse(Cancer, Hypertension, Alcoholism, Obesity, Diabetes, etc.), and the government does nothing about it? Should I simple be vaccinated because it is fashionable, even though I am not in any of the at-risk groups? So, can you be a bit more specific?

My very real worry is the abuse of power by the government. We are talking about having direct control over people's lives, under the threat of thousand dollar fines or imprisonment. We are talking about lawful acts, that are no longer lawful. We are talking about the suspension of our individual freedom(without any push-back), based on the tiny odds of catching a flu-like virus, with an over 97%+ survival rate.

My concerns are NOT about any hypotheticals. My concern is that the government is no longer pretending, that it is concerned with the health of the public. It is now concerned with power and control. Do you know how many centuries it would take, for 10 people to infect 26M people in Australia? That's assuming no one developed any immunity. If 10 people are enough to cause a lockdown for over 5M people, than why not just ONE person?

This immature government simply wants to be relevant on the world stage, as a leader in the fight against an over-hyped, over-sensationalized flu-like virus. It will sacrifice anything to achieve global recognition through the use of power and control. It is no longer asking for the cooperation of the 97%+ uninfected Australians. It is demanding cooperation under threat. Just like in any other fascist societies. This is a health issue, NOT A CRIMINAL ISSUE!
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
and yet Mothra I agree with him...

not about lockdowns, but about how it is our very own immune system that plays the biggest role in dealing with attacks from bacteria and virus, etc.

I have a particular understanding of this... your immune system can do amazing things.... personally I don't have flu shots , or anything else, other than Tetanus.. I trust my body.

I very rarely use anti-biotics... the last time was for a case of a flare-up of periodontal disease...

Mostly my immune system is MAG, and I don't interfere with it unless I am seriously unwell. Which isn't very often at all.
I'm really disgustingly healthy, although I have a chronic disease, according to my GP. Something I lived with, and eventually defeated, purely by the action of my immune system. But I do have Fatty Liver disease.

See I got Hepatitis B when I was 16. I allowed my blood to be taken, whilst in the Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital. for research purposes,. which closed many years ago
Turns out I also had Hep C .. but that was before it was even known of.

25 yrs later I participated in a Study.. by a very reputable Medical Research Team. Based on my blood samples from 25 yrs ago.!!
Was interesting to hear their conclusions....

So
I finally got a decent GP.. YES.. a woman.. who asked me if I'd had any checks lately . No.. not for decades...

So we did an RNA test ... Seems I have no virus now present .. my Immune system had basically stepped up and destroyed the virus... that is RARE.
Like only 10 % of people can fend off this virus, and mine got rid of BOTH.!!

I still have to accept that my liver has damage.. and I shouldn't drink.. !! But I do.
Sigh.

So I'm not rushing out for the vaccine.....
I agree with Shell about how it all works.. internally... but I do not agree with his opinions on societal responses to the pandemic .

I am happy that we agree on something. And, thanks for sharing!
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Seemed a reasonable thing to post here.
A relevant thing.


The human body is truly remarkable.... :)

Living in a HotSpot I 'll find my masks for when I go shopping later today.

It is required.
Personally that is fine with me...
they have an equalizing effect

I am definitely NOT ugly.. BUT I am a bit wrinkled.. so I actually like face coverings.
So would really ugly people, I'd imagine.

Without a mask on I get looks and such 'cos I'm so gorgeous , still.! :smirk

Just turned 64 and I have lived a life......

happy to share ...
lots of things you say Shell are correct, and very interesting. IMHO

It's when you get into the politics of it all that you lose me.

so got to go to bed soon. :doh
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Seemed a reasonable thing to post here.
A relevant thing.


The human body is truly remarkable.... :)

Living in a HotSpot I 'll find my masks for when I go shopping later today.

It is required.
Personally that is fine with me...
they have an equalizing effect

I am definitely NOT ugly.. BUT I am a bit wrinkled.. so I actually like face coverings.
So would really ugly people, I'd imagine.

Without a mask on I get looks and such 'cos I'm so gorgeous , still.! :smirk

Just turned 64 and I have lived a life......

happy to share ...
lots of things you say Shell are correct, and very interesting. IMHO

It's when you get into the politics of it all that you lose me.

so got to go to bed soon. :doh
Again, thanks for sharing. Since all life is unique, all life is remarkable, relevant, and beautiful. Especially, when considering the chances of our existing in this universe at all. Human evolution is the end result of an evolutionary miracle. We are among the less than 1% of all species that have survived nature's evolutionary trial and error process. Everyone one here today, comes from survivors.

Our immune system(like all other systems) is not perfect, or 100% effective. It is based on being exposed to antigens(and surviving), and acquiring the genetic information from past generations. In fact, as we age this system will become less and less effective. Why do you think we only pass on our genes, when were are young? Even genes will degrade with age.

Please understand, if people want to immunize themselves, wear masks, or self-isolate themselves, I have no problems with that. This is their choice. I also understand that the government has a responsibility to protect the public. I also agree, that the government should provide the funding for hospitals, educating the public, treatment and testing programs, and other related assistances during this pandemic. The question is, at what cost? How far do you go? Is there an end game?

How do we justify taking away our civil liberties and choice? How is ending of jobs, small businesses, relationships, industries, civil liberties, or the entire economy justified? Is the entire Australian population at risk of dying from this illness? A rational case for this action has simply not been presented yet! Instead, only a sensationalized, overhyped, fear-mongering, and carefully-worded spin-version of hypotheticals and heresays have.

After over a year, less than 4,000 Australians still have Covid-19(124/5.2M in Queensland). And, over 97% of those are expected to fully recover. Hardy the boogeyman of all diseases. We have allowed the government to created the illusion of a medical disaster, by fear-mongering, and disseminating only half-truths, insinuations and omissions. None of this supported by the facts. We may never recover from the damage this government has already done. Many businesses and jobs are gone forever. The tourist, airline, hospitality, travel, and other related trade industries, may never fully recover from the shutdowns and restrictions. Not to mention the irreversible effects on personal relationships and families. I couldn't even go back to bury my mother!

Despite all the hype and fear mongering, the facts have consistently shown,

that less than one tenth of 1% of the population has ever been infected throughout the past 14 months.
that many times more people were infected after the lockdown started than before it started.
that as more and more people become infected, less and less people will be able to become infected.
that virtually everyone under 40yo, with no other chronic complications, will have nothing to worry about from this disease.
that it is NOT the virus that kills us, it is our immune response to the virus that can kill.
that masks offer only some protection, considering the percentage of health professionals who have became infected.

I do not like covering my face. Because this is not a natural state for any biological organism to do so. I also believe more in self-love, than I do in Beauty's sister, "vanity". But that's just me.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
PPE is more for morale than anything.

It obviously, as you say , is not very effective considering the percentage of health professionals who have become infected.

As for face coverings, I can understand why you as a man are less comfortable with it than a woman would be.

For much of our history, and even within my own memory and life experience, Women were expected to be modest, wear gloves and cover-up, and to wear hats, with veils , even.

That was in the 50's and 60's.. then we had the Peace generation, where nudity was cool. (excuse the Pun)

For Men that was a very different experience. Oh the fellas wore hats, but it would be part of the male paradigm that only assassins and bandits cover their faces, so I'm sure it's easier for women than men.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
PPE is more for morale than anything.

It obviously, as you say , is not very effective considering the percentage of health professionals who have become infected.

As for face coverings, I can understand why you as a man are less comfortable with it than a woman would be.

For much of our history, and even within my own memory and life experience, Women were expected to be modest, wear gloves and cover-up, and to wear hats, with veils , even.

That was in the 50's and 60's.. then we had the Peace generation, where nudity was cool. (excuse the Pun)

For Men that was a very different experience. Oh the fellas wore hats, but it would be part of the male paradigm that only assassins and bandits cover their faces, so I'm sure it's easier for women than men.
The wearing of PPE's(specifically face masks) is more about conformity, indifference, ignorance, and having a false sense of security, than it is about general morale. IMHO. People simply WANT to believe that if they don't do as they are told, that they will catch this virus and die. This is the indirect sensationalized version of the coronavirus that the government keeps peddling repeatedly. Its this fear-mongering, half-truths and omissions, that will eventually give the government what it wants for all Australians. That is, contact-tracing, forced vaccinations, forced testing, and control. It is our indifference and ignorance that will allow this to happen. Those who do try to pushback with the facts, are ridiculed, demonized, ostracized, belittled, ignored, arrested or fined. There is no more freedom of choice here, despite all the evidence. Do you know how many people die each year in Australia from obesity, diabetes, motor vehicle accidents, cancer, smoking, or just plain old age?

Less than 200,000 people die each year in Australia. Covid-19 deaths represents only 0.4% of those deaths. Are these deaths worth the suspension of our civil rights and liberties, the destruction of our economy, the isolation of our country and its citizens, or the giving the government more power to intrude into our private lives? This is mass insanity. Who in their right mind thinks that we can keep 26M people 2 meters apart? Who thinks that we can stop people from congregating in groups(even in their homes)? Who thinks that we can force 26M people to self-isolate, and restrict their travel? Who thinks we can get 26M people to wear masks wherever they go? Do you think the police and emergency radio dispatchers are wearing masks? Yet, these are the so-called practical policies, that the government is calling its "hard decisions".

All of these policies are impossible to monitor, to follow, and are useless against any virus. But it does give the appearance of government intervention, and the illusion that it has actionable policies. This will always be spun as a win-win by the government, no matter the outcome. If these policies fail, it will be the people's fault, which forces the government to simply up the ante(more lockdowns, restrictions, fines and arrests). If the viral infection rates are reduced(for whatever reason), it will be because of the policies, and all the sacrifices "WE HAVE ENDURED". A win-win.

Your gender concerns are not without merits. There are many biological and social differences between men and women. There is an evolutionary, biological, physical, and a social need/desire, for the majority of women to procreate. This need is more powerful in women than in men(women are bi-lateral thinkers, men aren't). For many women, it defines them, validates their existence, and gives them purpose. This means that women must adapt to any accepted cultural standards, mores, and customs, in order to attract men. If wearing bunny ears, covering their body in tattoos, wearing a veil, going under the knife, or drinking and smoking will attract men, then women will do it. The mothering instinct is hardwired by evolution, and is reinforced through social and family pressures. These pressures in women, are more powerful than our basic need to conform, or our need for acceptance. However, the wearing of face-masks is gender neutral, and has no direct relevance to a woman's vanity, or to any generational era. IMHO.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Masks are to prevent droplets of saliva or snot from a cough or sneeze from spreading widely, especially indoors. COVID is a respiratory disease, saliva and snot are how it spreads. Not wearing a mask when required to is irresponsible and selfish.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Masks are to prevent droplets of saliva or snot from a cough or sneeze from spreading widely, especially indoors. COVID is a respiratory disease, saliva and snot are how it spreads. Not wearing a mask when required to is irresponsible and selfish.
Since you have just ignored all the other points I've raised, let's just focus on the wearing of masks as well. There are many reasons why masks will only offer some protection against any viral pathogen. It has nothing to do with being irresponsible or selfish. Most infected people are asymptomatic and unaware. And, with less than 4,000 people in Australia still infected, you have a 1 in 100,000 chance of even being infected. Hence why 99.9% of Australians are NOT infected, and less than 1% are testing positive for Covid-19.

Unless your mask fits your face perfectly, without any side gaps, you will breathe in air through the sides of the mask. Including all the snot and saliva that is being sprayed all over the mask.

The eyes also contain surface receptor sites(ACE2), and the enzyme TMPRSS2. Both allow the virus to attach itself and enter the eye cells. This allows the virus a path to the respiratory tract, via the tear ducts. So you should also wear glasses as well. To be responsible and unselfish.


Healthcare workers are over 3 times more likely to be infected, than the general population. In spite of all the best protective equipment(PPE) that they wear. In Spite of all the handwashing, and all other precautions that they take.


How about the touching of infected surfaces(including the masks), and then touching your face? Or walking through viral particles suspended in the air(SARS-CoV-2 has an aerosol half-life of 1.1-1.2 hours)? This means it can travel on air currents over larger distances, and settle in less ventilated places.

Masks offer zero protection against any individual viral pathogen. Especially since viruses are 3 times smaller than the smallest pore size of any cloth or plastic mask.

Only our immune system can effectively kills viruses. Vaccines and antibiotics DON"T kill viruses.

If you want to ignore these facts, then I suggest that you go buy a self-contained HAZMAT suit, and start building your new home at the bottom of a swimming pool. Just to be sure, responsible, and unselfish. Or, are you suggesting that we should wear masks just to be responsible and unselfish? Bugger if they work or not?

Are people really this gullible? Or, is it just bad acting to flog vaccinations?
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Even asymptomatic people should wear masks in indoor or crowded areas. Vaccinations educate our immune systems. Relying on your immune system is relying only on the very last line of defence. For those over 60, it is a chancy thing.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Your gender concerns are not without merits. There are many biological and social differences between men and women. There is an evolutionary, biological, physical, and a social need/desire, for the majority of women to procreate. This need is more powerful in women than in men(women are bi-lateral thinkers, men aren't). For many women, it defines them, validates their existence, and gives them purpose. This means that women must adapt to any accepted cultural standards, mores, and customs, in order to attract men. If wearing bunny ears, covering their body in tattoos, wearing a veil, going under the knife, or drinking and smoking will attract men, then women will do it. The mothering instinct is hardwired by evolution, and is reinforced through social and family pressures. These pressures in women, are more powerful than our basic need to conform, or our need for acceptance. However, the wearing of face-masks is gender neutral, and has no direct relevance to a woman's vanity, or to any generational era. IMHO.
Your comments are interesting, but mis-guided. Your assumptions likewise. You can have your paradigms.. yu are entitled to your opinions, but just don't get TOO smug, because you are largely incorrect.

You know this about the majority of women eh.? THAT is why women will do anything to get a man..? To have a BABY.? FFS. :smirk :bgrin
Procreation as an imperative is much more powerful for men, especially when they can just walk away, Easy peasy. Or keep a harem of slaves. .... you are so wrong-headed....

And my comments on masks has nothing to do with a woman's vanity. Where did that come from,,?? oh because I said I was gorgeous.?? Simple truth.. and you did GET IT that I LIKE MASKS . RIGHT..?

So your conclusions seem unfounded IMHO.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Even asymptomatic people should wear masks in indoor or crowded areas. Vaccinations educate our immune systems. Relying on your immune system is relying only on the very last line of defence. For those over 60, it is a chancy thing.
Well since asymptomatic people are unaware that they are infected, I guess you mean EVERYONE should be wearing masks? And, that everyone should be wearing mask everywhere, and all the time? I disagree for the practical reasons I gave. Also, our immune system is NOT our last line of defense. It is our ONLY line of defense. What other system is used to protect the body from pathogens?

There are 4 lines of defenses that the body uses to protect us from viral/bacterial pathogens. The skin barrier defense, the mucus barrier defense, the blood barrier defense, and finally the immune response defense. So NOT the last line of defense. Our bodies have had millions of years of practice, and does not need to be educated. But as we age, like most other things, the systems just don't work so good. Vaccines don't educate our immune system. They simply use inactive viral proteins(antigens) to stimulate an immune response. It is this response that will protect us in the future, from the severity of future attacks. The problem with vaccines, are the specificity of their response, controlling their response, and monitoring the length of the acquired immunity.

In Australia, 703 people who died of complications from Covid-19, were over 80yo. There have also been 38(60-70 yo) and 158(70-80 yo), who have also died from similar complications. This is a total of 861 people, over 60 years old, who have died of complications from Covid-19 in Australia.

There is a total of 6,129 infected people who are over 60 years old, and 23,015 infected people who are under 60 years old. This means that 86% of those infected and over 60, will survive. This also represents only 0.1% of the total over 60's population(4.8M) who have been infected at all. And, only 0.02% of the total over-60's population who have died of complications from Covid-19.

So this is not a matter of age. It is just a matter of health.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Your comments are interesting, but mis-guided. Your assumptions likewise. You can have your paradigms.. yu are entitled to your opinions, but just don't get TOO smug, because you are largely incorrect.
I certainly know a lot about women. And, it has nothing to do with being smug. Since you haven't explained HOW I am misguided, WHAT I am incorrect about, or WHY my assumptions are wrong, I can't comment further.

You know this about the majority of women eh.? THAT is why women will do anything to get a man..? To have a BABY.? FFS. :smirk :bgrin
Procreation as an imperative is much more powerful for men, especially when they can just walk away, Easy peasy. Or keep a harem of slaves. .... you are so wrong-headed....
Yes, I do know about the behavior of the majority of women. For example, women care more about the level of masculinity in men, than they do about intelligence, money, or even looks. Women are able to access both sides of brain at the same time, during any conversation. Men can only access one side of the brain at a time. Women are more comfortable with their space being invaded, where men aren't. Please don't confuse the need for coitus(sex) in men, with the need to procreate in women. They are different needs all together. Women are biologically, emotionally, physically, anatomically, hormonally, genetically programmed, and socially conditioned to produce offsprings. Men are not. Therefore, men have no reason to form long term attachments with their mates. It is very rare to find a man who will.

Why do you say that having children(procreation) as an imperative, is more powerful in men, than in women? I also don't see the connection between procreation as an imperative, and promiscuity. An argument can be made for women who choose to have an abortion over rearing their child.

And my comments on masks has nothing to do with a woman's vanity. Where did that come from,,?? oh because I said I was gorgeous.?? Simple truth.. and you did GET IT that I LIKE MASKS . RIGHT..?
You DID say,

"I am definitely NOT ugly.. BUT I am a bit wrinkled.. so I actually like face coverings. So would really ugly people, I'd imagine.".

This statements sounds to me, that you wear a mask to hide your wrinkles, not to protect against a viral infection. You then double-down to say, that you imagine that really ugly people also wear a mask to cover their face as well. This certainly sounds like it is beauty that is the motivating factor here. And, that is called vanity!

My point was that masks offer very little protection, and why. Any other reason you wear them is irrelevant to me.
 
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