Covid-19 Revisit

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Just returned from metal-detecting with friends and family at the Spit. It was so good to see the beaches filled with people and their dogs again. None were wearing silly masks, or keeping 2 meters apart. I was even happy to see people boating, surfing, and jet skiing again. Even the silly kids jumping off the bridge at the dog-friendly beach, only gave me a chuckle. I was also happy to see, that the Australia Fair SC was also filled with people again. None there were wearing silly masks(even the cleaners and security guards). Or, were keeping 2 meters apart from each other, like sheep. Maybe it is just something in the waters at the Gold Coast? Maybe people have come to realize, that these are just impractical, immature, and impossible solutions? Or, maybe some people just love spreading misery and despair? I don't know, but it was certainly a good day for me.

I was just so happy to see people again, living their dreams and thinking for themselves.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
or maybe it has NEVER been required on the GC.Oops
NEVER, JOHN??? And, WHY would restrictions not be required in one area of Queensland, and not in others, John? What makes the Gold Coast residents the exception to the restrictions, John? Are they the only humans on the planet who are immune to the virus, John? Do you agree, that the Gold Coast residents should NOT wear masks, NOT practice social distancing, NOT keep businesses open, or act like they are free in a free country, John? And WHY?

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And, the only thing that continually surprises me, is the human condition.
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
NEVER, JOHN??? And, WHY would restrictions not be required in one area of Queensland, and not in others, John?
because there was never any community transmission on the GC... As far as I can recall every case we've had has been from people from other areas traveling to or through the GC.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
because there was never any community transmission on the GC... As far as I can recall every case we've had has been from people from other areas traveling to or through the GC.
As of the 17th Jan. 2021, there are only 26 active Covid-19 cases all over Queensland. Out of a population of over 5M people(700K at the Gold Coast). Even in Victoria, there are only 30 active cases(6.4M people).



Again, you are only partially correct. The greatest source of this infection on the Gold Coast, was overseas acquired(145 people). The second was locally(community) acquired, where the contact is known/unknown(67 people). But here's the part you got right. The very last method of acquiring this virus at the Gold Coast, was from interstate travelers, or from people just passing through(2 people). That's 2 people infected by visitors, out of a GC population of 700K. I would say not that significant, but nevertheless true.

Of course this was never the point. My point was, that I am happy to see people ignoring the other Statewide/Nationwide bans and restrictions, and choosing to live free and happy lives. Did you know that you could be sentenced to 6 months in jail for not wearing a mask, or not keeping 2 meters apart? Fascism!

 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
I don't mind the idea of a special airport, built by the Wagners, already fully operation out near Toowoomba..
being used for foreign flights.. particularly repat flights... where the Wagners would build an facility designed from scratch to fully accommodate returned Aussies. The same for foreign flights...

Sounds very doable.... much better than scattered mining camps...
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Had a look on OzPol, the COVID 19 vaxx thread.

Yadda “In the last 30 years I have never had the flu or a cold” So 30 years older, the immune system not working as well. I see Mum catches colds now—no immune system. Boy, does she get cranky about catching whatever is going around these days—no immune system left at 100yo :ROFL1:ROFL1:ROFL1

I hope we get the Pfizer vaxx and I will line up for it in April.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
It is likely this drop is just seasonal.. not due to vaccines. Well, that is a view I heard just now on 7.30 ABC,,,

As for vaccines.. could we please stop with all the footage of needles and syringes, puncturing arms..? Please..? Gawd.. gives me the creeps..
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
There is actually only 15M confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US(28.1M total cases - 13.1M total recoveries = 15M outstanding cases). And, with a mortality rate of 1.7%, we would expect 14.7M more to recover. This leaves only 266.4K of active Covid-19 cases in the US, whose outcomes have not been determined yet. That is just 0.08% of the entire US population. In Australia, it is only 108 confirmed cases, that have not been determined, nationwide!! Sheep!


There are 500K Covid-19 deaths, out of the over 65's population of 54.5M in the US(that's only 0.1% of the over 65's population). Lets not count all those who died with the virus, and not because of it. And, also those who died because of other medical conditions, or because of their already compromised immune system!! Don't take my word for anything, JUST DO THE MATH!! Just what do you expect Biden to do to protect against a virus? Absolutely nothing! He can certainly tell others to wear a mask, and keep 2 meters apart? But that is useless, and not practical. This is just more political hype, and smoke-n-mirrors for appearances only. I wonder why nobody gave a shit about the HIV/AIDS epidemic?

Now we are championing infecting/vaccinating a population where 98%-99% are uninfected. With an attenuated or inactive form of the mutated novel strain of the SARS virus. A virus we know little about, or about its lifecycle. So lets see, should I take the 98% chance of never even being infected by this virus, and have a 98% chance of recovering even if infected? Should I develop my natural immunity from the real virus? Or, should I trust that my immune system will be tricked by a fake, or protein version of the virus? This is a no-brainer for me!
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
Will vaccines prevent the spread of COVID19? Or will vaccinated people still get infected and pass the disease on?

A study showed:

The UK trial of the vaccine produced by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca swabbed participants every week, and estimated a 49.3% reduction in asymptomatic infections among a subset of vaccinated participants compared with the unvaccinated group.

Pfizer, based in New York City and maker of another leading COVID-19 vaccine, says that it will start swabbing participants every two weeks in vaccine trials taking place in the United States and Argentina, to see whether the shot can prevent infection.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

So that is promising “jabs might make infected people less able to pass the virus on, or make them less infectious, and so reduce transmission.”
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
There is actually only 15M confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US(28.1M total cases - 13.1M total recoveries = 15M outstanding cases)
no there are 28 million confirmed cases, 13 million recoveries and 15 outstanding cases.... you even said so just got the wrong conclusion......
I think you meant to say there are only 15 million people currently with C-19 ;)


And, with a mortality rate of 1.7%, we would expect 14.7M more to recover.
That also means 300,000 more will die.........
March 2020 to March 2021 would be 800,000 deaths......
United States Coronavirus: 28,787,505 Cases and 511,685 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info)
of the 19 million recovered there is a 3% death-rate. If this trend continues there would be 840,000 deaths,
More realistically would be a middle point of 2.3% which would be 650,000....
Of course it's just speculation, time will tell....

Considering only about 2 million die a year in the USA this a very substantial number....
 
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DonDeeHippy

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Dr Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was asked about assertions that the US coronavirus death toll seriously underestimates how many Americans have died in the pandemic.

Walensky noted that the pandemic is causing “excess mortality” from a number of causes, including delayed access to medical care.

The CDC director predicated that history books would record a US death toll from the pandemic that is “far greater than the numbers we have been counting”.
 
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